Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #39

[Woodburnbay]

The culprits - at a guess

Yes the real culprits. MSM are al playing the same tune

 

[Mex]

Exactly, they are not yet in any position to charge CB in connection to MM

Exactly, they are not yet in any position to charge CB in connection to MM

The saying is that a week is a long time in politics. Meaning that a lot can change in that time span. And two years down down the line in a police investigation which is still being actively worked is probably no exception.

From the little I have read of the proven parts of CB's curriculum vitae this man is a sexual predator. Neither age or degree of vulnerability of any female coming into his sights could be considered safe even within their own four walls.
With certainty DM was not.

Snip
HCW also said he believes there are other British victims of the convicted paedophile and rapist.

The more evidence against CB they have, the more likely it is they can put him on trial, the prosecutor said.

German police don't have enough evidence to prosecute Maddie suspect

German police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have not spoken to top suspect Christian Brueckner yet, but prosecutors say there is evidence she is dead.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Mex]

HCW has always used CB's current incarceration term as a reason for why he's in no hurry to charge. Relax! Time is on our side, he says. That he wants the best possible bank of evidence against CB before charging, he says.

That's not to say that what he currently has isn't more than enough to charge CB - perish the thought! - he says. Just that he's in no hurry to tell us what he knows that we don't know but that if we did know would conclusively confirm that CB is the person who abducted and murdered MM. Be patient, he says.

That's the 'sense' of it.

He doesn't have the evidence required to confidently take before a judge. JMO.

However one looks at it, if or when CB faces trial for murder he is in trouble. For the simple reason his personality will feature in his trial. Which when given thought is actually quite extraordinary.

Personality of the Offender
In homicide offences, the history and personality of the perpetrator is of considerable importance in addition to the act of committing the crime. The presentation of the accused’s past history and personality is particularly important in the context of sentencing and criminal liability. It is in such cases that issues around the accused’s criminal record will play a part.

However, it is worth bearing in mind that the personality of the offender, their criminal record and the pressure from outside forces can lead to the wrong decisions. Authorities can be swayed by other influences.

Having a criminal record and prior history can have an impact but it cannot lead to sanctions for crimes not committed. Despite the presence of a criminal record it still must be proved that the accused committed the capital offence (whether it is murder or manslaughter etc.). End Quote

WOW!
One can see why CB's legal teams are hoping for the case to be 'timed out' rather than complaining and champing at the bit about the evidence gathering time.
One can also see exactly why the integrity of evidence presented to allow indictment in circumstances such as these has to be impeccable and comprehensive.
The prosecutors aren't the bad guys here. They know their legal system and they know that what is required to move it on behalf of victims is the best possible evidence.
My opinion

Capital Offences: Murder, Manslaugther & Homicide in Germany

At Schlun & Elseven Attorneys our lawyers provide defence counsel in capital offences such as murder, manslaughter and other homicides.

se-legal.de

 

[misty48]

I think we almost forget that, alongside all the crimes he has currently been charged with or accused of, he allegedly confessed to accidentally killing an ex-girlfriend but never saw the inside of a courtroom.

Madeleine McCann suspect told friend he 'accidentally killed' ex-girlfriend

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner admitted "accidentally killing" his ex while he was drunk, a former friend of the 44-year-old, who is being investigated over Maddie's disappearance in 2007, said

www.mirror.co.uk

*snipped*
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner once reportedly told a former friend he had "accidentally killed" his ex-girlfriend.

The man, called Aberle, said Christian Brueckner, 44, admitted he had killed the woman when he was drunk.
Aberle is understood to have told cops in 2010, at about the same time prostitute Monika Pawlak, 24, was mutilated and stuffed in two bin bags.

Brueckner was investigated over the death of Pawlak, who worked in a kitchen and occasionally as a prostitute, in Hanover in 2010, but he was never charged.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The saying is that a week is a long time in politics. Meaning that a lot can change in that time span. And two years down down the line in a police investigation which is still being actively worked is probably no exception.

From the little I have read of the proven parts of CB's curriculum vitae this man is a sexual predator. Neither age or degree of vulnerability of any female coming into his sights could be considered safe even within their own four walls.
With certainty DM was not.

Snip
HCW also said he believes there are other British victims of the convicted paedophile and rapist.

The more evidence against CB they have, the more likely it is they can put him on trial, the prosecutor said.

German police don't have enough evidence to prosecute Maddie suspect

German police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have not spoken to top suspect Christian Brueckner yet, but prosecutors say there is evidence she is dead.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Yet no convictions for abduction or murder, the offences he is allegedly guilty of in the MM case.

IMO, the DM rape offence - a break and enter attack in the victim’s home, has no similarities to the MM crime.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I think we almost forget that, alongside all the crimes he has currently been charged with or accused of, he allegedly confessed to accidentally killing an ex-girlfriend but never saw the inside of a courtroom.

Madeleine McCann suspect told friend he 'accidentally killed' ex-girlfriend

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner admitted "accidentally killing" his ex while he was drunk, a former friend of the 44-year-old, who is being investigated over Maddie's disappearance in 2007, said

www.mirror.co.uk

*snipped*
Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner once reportedly told a former friend he had "accidentally killed" his ex-girlfriend.

The man, called Aberle, said Christian Brueckner, 44, admitted he had killed the woman when he was drunk.
Aberle is understood to have told cops in 2010, at about the same time prostitute Monika Pawlak, 24, was mutilated and stuffed in two bin bags.

Brueckner was investigated over the death of Pawlak, who worked in a kitchen and occasionally as a prostitute, in Hanover in 2010, but he was never charged.

Herein lies the problem: CB says things when under the influence of alcohol. He wouldn’t be the first person ever to tell lies while drunk would he. Trouble is, there isn’t enough evidence to support what he’s said, hence no charges.

 

[RichardKimble]

Herein lies the problem: CB says things when under the influence of alcohol. He wouldn’t be the first person ever to tell lies while drunk would he. Trouble is, there isn’t enough evidence to support what he’s said, hence no charges.

Makes one wonder how long he got to dine out on the tale.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Makes one wonder how long he got to dine out on the tale.

He could have been testing the narrative for a novel… working title “Das Buch!”

 

[CooperDyl]

Herein lies the problem: CB says things when under the influence of alcohol. He wouldn’t be the first person ever to tell lies while drunk would he. Trouble is, there isn’t enough evidence to support what he’s said, hence no charges.

Drunken lies/embellishments would have to be a common prospect in criminal cases though, wouldn’t it? Enough that an investigator wouldn’t stake essentially his entire reputation on it in one of the most publicised cases in the world the last couple of decades?
I’d imagine there’s all sorts of criminals who want to become notorious (or even more so) and tell stories of how they’ve never been caught for X,Y&Z that never took place or at the very least had nothing to do with them. I would think there’d be others that have claimed they’re responsible for disappearing the little girl all over the papers and the news the world over, and that the claims of CB’s ‘friend’ would have been doubted without any other evidence. Then again, maybe I’m overestimating LE here…
all imo

 

[RichardKimble]

Drunken lies/embellishments would have to be a common prospect in criminal cases though, wouldn’t it? Enough that an investigator wouldn’t stake essentially his entire reputation on it in one of the most publicised cases in the world the last couple of decades?
I’d imagine there’s all sorts of criminals who want to become notorious (or even more so) and tell stories of how they’ve never been caught for X,Y&Z that never took place or at the very least had nothing to do with them. I would think there’d be others that have claimed they’re responsible for disappearing the little girl all over the papers and the news the world over, and that the claims of CB’s ‘friend’ would have been doubted without any other evidence. Then again, maybe I’m overestimating LE here…
all imo

Imo, it's quite clear now three yrs on that the BKA needed help, they had gone as far as they could in investigating CB with what they had, hence the appeal, trouble with that and maybe because of the widespread interest in the case all sorts were to come out the woodwork, selling their tales to media helps not one iota, but HCW made the bed and now must lie in it, proof of what HCW claims in that CB murdered MM is what will win out not what is in the media.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Drunken lies/embellishments would have to be a common prospect in criminal cases though, wouldn’t it? Enough that an investigator wouldn’t stake essentially his entire reputation on it in one of the most publicised cases in the world the last couple of decades?
I’d imagine there’s all sorts of criminals who want to become notorious (or even more so) and tell stories of how they’ve never been caught for X,Y&Z that never took place or at the very least had nothing to do with them. I would think there’d be others that have claimed they’re responsible for disappearing the little girl all over the papers and the news the world over, and that the claims of CB’s ‘friend’ would have been doubted without any other evidence. Then again, maybe I’m overestimating LE here…
all imo

It’s possible the prosecutors were seduced by witness statements, some coincidences and a criminal who is the right type of profile. That’s what the lack of progress tells me but who knows.

 

[Mex]

The best course of action is to await actual developments in MM's case as procedures swing back into action after the jurisdiction delays which by my estimation probably added at least a year to the timetable.

Snip
Brunswick prosecutors welcomed Tuesday's ruling on the jurisdiction issue, with spokesman HCW saying it had also "brought clarity for the Maddie case".

The investigations into the McCann case were still ongoing, HCW told AFP.

https://www.thelocal.de/20230920/german-court-ruling-paves-way-for-trial-of-maddie-suspect

 

[Mex]

Yet no convictions for abduction or murder, the offences he is allegedly guilty of in the MM case.

IMO, the DM rape offence - a break and enter attack in the victim’s home, has no similarities to the MM crime.

Robert Black
From 1981 to 1986, Scottish serial killer Robert Black kidnapped, sexually harassed, raped, and murdered four little girls age five to eleven. He was arrested in 1990 as he was trying to kidnap another young girl. He was diagnosed as a psychopath and sentenced to life in prison.
Ian Brady
Ian Brady and his partner, Myra Hindley, killed five children ages ten to seventeen in the mid-sixties. The victims were first sexually abused and then murdered. When Brady was finally arrested in 1965, he claimed to have mental issues only so he could avoid the death penalty. He’s been kept since then for almost fifty years now in a high-security mental institution.
Myra Hindley
Myra Hindley earned the title of the “Most Evil Woman in Britain” when she was arrested for the rape and murder of five innocent children with her boyfriend Ian Brady. After spending many years in jail, she claimed she was only helping Brady fulfill his perverse desires because he was supposedly blackmailing her. In 2002 she died in prison from a heart attack

25 Most Monstrous Serial Killers Of Children In History

It's hard to imagine, but these 25 most monstrous serial killers of children greatly enjoy their craft.

list25.com

Beverly Allitt
Nurse Beverley Allitt killed four children and tried to kill many more while working in a hospital in 1991. She gave the children large doses of insulin over the course of 59 days, with no motive.
Allitt was sentenced to 13 life sentences in 1993, one of the longest sentences given to a woman in Britain.
Ian Huntley
Though Ian Huntley had no convictions for sex offences, he had been reported to police in his native Humberside on six occasions over sexual assaults or sexual relationships with underage girls.

Vetting blunders let Huntley slip through net

The failure of authorities to unearth underage sex complaints against Ian Huntley will strengthen calls for an overhaul of the criminal records system, writes Steven Morris.

www.theguardian.com

Not one of the above British child killers had convictions for murder until they were discovered, stopped and brought to trial.
The nature of the beast is that it doesn't stop until it is discovered and made to stop by due process.

It is no defence of CB to say he had no murder convictions. The evidence will confirm or deny that as it has done in numerous cases worldwide as well as those above

 

[Davieson]

The best course of action is to await actual developments in MM's case as procedures swing back into action after the jurisdiction delays which by my estimation probably added at least a year to the timetable.

Snip
Brunswick prosecutors welcomed Tuesday's ruling on the jurisdiction issue, with spokesman HCW saying it had also "brought clarity for the Maddie case".

The investigations into the McCann case were still ongoing, HCW told AFP.

https://www.thelocal.de/20230920/german-court-ruling-paves-way-for-trial-of-maddie-suspect

In the same sort of way that OG are still conduction investigations, I suppose.

 

[Mex]

In the same sort of way that OG are still conduction investigations, I suppose.

The new Portuguese case under HM seemed to peter out when their prime suspect was found to have died; but they did maintain interest in events.
Snip
In 2013, Portuguese police stumbled across a new lead and began investigating a man who had been working as an employee at The Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz not long before Maddie disappeared on May 3, 2007.

Revealed: The Maddie McCann abduction suspect police never got to interview

It has been nearly 12 years since Madeleine McCann vanished from a holiday apartment in Portugal, and police are still no closer to solving the mystery. More...

www.nzherald.co.nz

It was alleged that OG were actually on the verge of winding down their MM investigation. But that had been par for the course since inception whenever the next round of funding was anticipated.
Snip
Reports had suggested that Operation Grange would be wound down this autumn with the end of its funding as the circumstances of the three-year-old’s disappearance 15 years ago remain unsolved.

Scotland Yard's Madeleine McCann investigation extended for another year

The three-year-old's parents have never given up hope that she will one day be found alive.

metro.co.uk

The actual breakthrough was made by the German investigation although the first leak to the press picked the wrong guy.

Madeleine McCann: German paedophile is new suspect in police investigation, reports say​

Convicted murderer believed to be under renewed police scrutiny​

German paedophile is new suspect in Madeleine McCann investigation, reports say

Convicted murderer believed to be under renewed police scrutiny

www.independent.co.uk

So I have no idea who is conducting what in the present MM investigation. Information from the dam search area does confirm the international nature of the police investigation and the close co-operation of the police forces involved.

Madeleine McCann detectives lock down Algarve reservoir

Roads leading into the Arade Dam, the 'little paradise' of sole suspect Christian Brueckner a 40-minute drive from Praia da Luz where the youngster vanished 16 years ago, were sealed off yesterday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Consider Dudley]

Herein lies the problem: CB says things when under the influence of alcohol. He wouldn’t be the first person ever to tell lies while drunk would he. Trouble is, there isn’t enough evidence to support what he’s said, hence no charges.

In my experience people are more likely to spill the beans when drunk than start inventing elaborate lies.

 

[Consider Dudley]

Robert Black
From 1981 to 1986, Scottish serial killer Robert Black kidnapped, sexually harassed, raped, and murdered four little girls age five to eleven. He was arrested in 1990 as he was trying to kidnap another young girl. He was diagnosed as a psychopath and sentenced to life in prison.
Ian Brady
Ian Brady and his partner, Myra Hindley, killed five children ages ten to seventeen in the mid-sixties. The victims were first sexually abused and then murdered. When Brady was finally arrested in 1965, he claimed to have mental issues only so he could avoid the death penalty. He’s been kept since then for almost fifty years now in a high-security mental institution.
Myra Hindley
Myra Hindley earned the title of the “Most Evil Woman in Britain” when she was arrested for the rape and murder of five innocent children with her boyfriend Ian Brady. After spending many years in jail, she claimed she was only helping Brady fulfill his perverse desires because he was supposedly blackmailing her. In 2002 she died in prison from a heart attack

25 Most Monstrous Serial Killers Of Children In History

It's hard to imagine, but these 25 most monstrous serial killers of children greatly enjoy their craft.

list25.com

Beverly Allitt
Nurse Beverley Allitt killed four children and tried to kill many more while working in a hospital in 1991. She gave the children large doses of insulin over the course of 59 days, with no motive.
Allitt was sentenced to 13 life sentences in 1993, one of the longest sentences given to a woman in Britain.
Ian Huntley
Though Ian Huntley had no convictions for sex offences, he had been reported to police in his native Humberside on six occasions over sexual assaults or sexual relationships with underage girls.

Vetting blunders let Huntley slip through net

The failure of authorities to unearth underage sex complaints against Ian Huntley will strengthen calls for an overhaul of the criminal records system, writes Steven Morris.

www.theguardian.com

Not one of the above British child killers had convictions for murder until they were discovered, stopped and brought to trial.
The nature of the beast is that it doesn't stop until it is discovered and made to stop by due process.

It is no defence of CB to say he had no murder convictions. The evidence will confirm or deny that as it has done in numerous cases worldwide as well as those above

BIB - yes it is such a weak argument to keep on trotting out, especially as the convictions CB DOES have are such a good fit for the profile that would be likely to abduct and abuse children that even He Who Must Not Be Named described him as “the perfect patsy”.

 

[Trivento]

Redirect Notice

 

[Anxala]

Redirect Notice

Great. Hope HazelB in particular gets justice here and that the evidence against CB in her case is both compelling and conclusive. She so deserves that.

So Feb 2024? I guess we won't get anything MM-related until this courtcase is done and dusted.

 

[Anxala]

Drunken lies/embellishments would have to be a common prospect in criminal cases though, wouldn’t it? Enough that an investigator wouldn’t stake essentially his entire reputation on it in one of the most publicised cases in the world the last couple of decades?
I’d imagine there’s all sorts of criminals who want to become notorious (or even more so) and tell stories of how they’ve never been caught for X,Y&Z that never took place or at the very least had nothing to do with them. I would think there’d be others that have claimed they’re responsible for disappearing the little girl all over the papers and the news the world over, and that the claims of CB’s ‘friend’ would have been doubted without any other evidence. Then again, maybe I’m overestimating LE here…
all imo

^ That's a good and interesting point. For some reason, I bought into the 'German efficiency' narrative, the idea that a German police force would not proceed to the point of publicly naming and accusing a suspect of abduction and murder without a solid bank of back-up compelling evidence that no amount of 'innocent until proven otherwise' criticism could make a dint in. That what they had in their CB guilty bank was 100% solid and, while open to being padded out by additional evidence courtesy of the appeal route, absolutely not dependant upon that.

Three years and counting down the line, I now see them as prone to exactly the same mistakes as any other 'credible' police force. That's not to say they don't have what they say they have - because we have no idea what they have - just to say that no police force, no matter how well regarded/perceived they are, is immune to charges of jumping guns to their own detriment.

To do it on an international stage though? And then all the backtracking? To say, essentially, that a charge against CB in relation to MM might not happen, may never even be on the cards? Because that's where we are now.

That's just not a good look, whichever way you look at it.