Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #40

[RichardKimble]

Understood. Yes, this is always a possibility. People's memories are extremely fallible, you can apply this logic across most of the remembered "timings" in the PJ files to be fair. Statistics alone will show how unreliable we are in recollecting exact events and timings. Sometimes people read too much into things without appreciating this basic fact.

Yet we're led to believe HeB remembered exactly what CB said from at least 10 yrs previous.

 

[CousinVinny]

Yet we're led to believe HeB remembered exactly what CB said from at least 10 yrs previous.

I don't really see why not if he thought it prominent at the time. Prominent enough to raise a concern with police. You remember stuff like that.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

IMO the vehicle was left in the "parking" near the coast to the West of PdL, to avoid people to recognize it. IMO in the dark is easier to recognize a car than a man.

PdL is a labryinth for walkers, direction of Tannerman could be a good election not to pass in front of the Tapas bar entrance. He knew well PdL.

IMO the abductor stole the most value thing for him, the child.

Yes, IMO the vehicle "far enough" from OC probably in an area not too exposed (alley?) to get in but that would also allow him to quickly and easily access a secondary road(?!) with no constrains (with no risk of police presence) and escape to Arade(?!). Recall his letters...
Yes, he knew VERY WELL PdL.
The parking area: would it have depended on being Smithman or Tannerman?! If Smithman how he risked getting into the flow (maybe thinking that could dilute attentions, wig? disguised?!). Seems less likely but...

PdL is a labryinth for walkers, direction of Tannerman could be a good election not to pass in front of the Tapas bar entrance. He knew well PdL. Yes!

 

[RichardKimble]

I don't really see why not if he thought it prominent at the time. Prominent enough to raise a concern with police. You remember stuff like that.

Yet its thought Tanner misrembered events at the time?

 

[CousinVinny]

@RichardKimble I was just accepting another person's viewpoint that it is entirely possible that an event might be misremembered like that. Not my own theory.

 

[Trivento]

IMO the vehicle was left in the "parking" near the coast to the West of PdL, to avoid people to recognize it. IMO in the dark is easier to recognize a car than a man.

PdL is a labryinth for walkers, direction of Tannerman could be a good election not to pass in front of the Tapas bar entrance. He knew well PdL.

IMO the abductor stole the most value thing for him, the child.

Would indeed be surprising if any abductor had walked down hill and past the tapas entrance ..
However going west would be more likely than east for an abductor who knew PdL well .. imo .
Would then not be seen crossing road at top of hill next to 5A .

 

[Lilly b]

Would indeed be surprising if any abductor had walked down hill and past the tapas entrance ..
However going west would be more likely than east for an abductor who knew PdL well .. imo .
Would then not be seen crossing road at top of hill next to 5A .

If it was planned and he had his car, where would the most logical place be to park the car? For the quickest getaway, and less likely to be seen?
If not planned abduction, just a burglary for cash , camera and bits, then he could of parked further away,
Local knowledge Defo helped him

 

[RichardKimble]

If it was planned and he had his car, where would the most logical place be to park the car? For the quickest getaway, and less likely to be seen?
If not planned abduction, just a burglary for cash , camera and bits, then he could of parked further away,
Local knowledge Defo helped him

The thing is, the BkA located CBs vehicles,no forensic evidence was found.

Maddie McCann suspect sold his VW campervan in 2015 to a car scrapyard

Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Breuckner, 43, sold the Volkswagen van for £5,000 in 2015 to a German compatriot who ran an unofficial yard in the Silves area of the Algarve.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[CousinVinny]

I reckon this was an opportunist grab by Bruekner during a burglary. Makes more sense over any other theory I've heard.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

If it was planned and he had his car, where would the most logical place be to park the car? For the quickest getaway, and less likely to be seen?
If not planned abduction, just a burglary for cash , camera and bits, then he could of parked further away,
Local knowledge Defo helped him

IMO very very unlikely to be unplanned. Car parked not too far, not too close. A child in his arms...Maybe west. "Uphill". Not down hill (Tapas entrance, center, people). How could he be Smithman?!
Avoid at all cost roads, crossings, where the police could be/("surprisingly") arrive. But he knew them well...Driving east (Arade)?!
On the other hand...could he have tried without even driving?! exactly where he parked?! No "not possible", it would have to have been in a very exposed area to arrive and then to be "at ease". In an alley, maybe good to get in, but then "unconfortable". Driving most likely.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

The thing is, the BkA located CBs vehicles,no forensic evidence was found.

Maddie McCann suspect sold his VW campervan in 2015 to a car scrapyard

Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Breuckner, 43, sold the Volkswagen van for £5,000 in 2015 to a German compatriot who ran an unofficial yard in the Silves area of the Algarve.

www.dailymail.co.uk

How many years later?! LOL

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I have many reservations over the smith sighting and their efits. The fact it took weeks for them to recall it and only after seeing the whole affair played out on the news. Are they sure it was definitely on the 3rd this encounter took place?

And then Martin thinkin it could be Gerry based on the way he carried a sleeping child (how many ways are there?). A whole family walked passed and spoke to this guy yet none of them seemed to think it was the father they'd seen all over the TV during this time. Personally, I think Martin convinced himself it was Gerry when the McCanns were named arguido. He admitted that Aoife and Peter, the two other members who had gave a description to police, disagreed with him that it might have been Gerry.

Be interested to know whether other members of the Smith family have been asked if they recognise bruekner.

There are copies of receipts in the PJ Files showing that the Smith family left Paddy’s bar at close to 10:00 p.m. IMO, it’s the most important sighting.

It is impossible to reconcile this sighting with a planned abduction. CB wouldn’t walk through a town where people know him with an abducted child intentionally. Equally, it’s very hard to understand how he abducted her without leaving evidence or sightings in an unplanned abduction.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Understood. Yes, this is always a possibility. People's memories are extremely fallible, you can apply this logic across most of the remembered "timings" in the PJ files to be fair. Statistics alone will show how unreliable we are in recollecting exact events and timings. Sometimes people read too much into things without appreciating this basic fact.

IIRC, JT’s statement was corrupted by conversations with the wider tapas group from the outset.

 

[CousinVinny]

There are copies of receipts in the PJ Files showing that the Smith family left Paddy’s bar at close to 10:00 p.m. IMO, it’s the most important sighting.

It is impossible to reconcile this sighting with a planned abduction. CB wouldn’t walk through a town where people know him with an abducted child intentionally. Equally, it’s very hard to understand how he abducted her without leaving evidence or sightings in an unplanned abduction.

Just cos they were in paddy's that day don't mean that's defo the same day they saw what they saw. Not hard at all to understand how someone leaves no trace, that's what normally happens in cases like this.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Just cos they were in paddy's that day don't mean that's defo the same day they saw what they saw. Not hard at all to understand how someone leaves no trace, that's what normally happens in cases like this.

I think the receipts were at 9:46 p.m. on 3rd May. Some members of the family were flying back to Ireland the next day. This proves the family were in the area to make the sighting. If it didn’t occur at this time and on this day, then all members of the family are mistaken or liars - unlikely.

 

[Trivento]

If it was planned and he had his car, where would the most logical place be to park the car? For the quickest getaway, and less likely to be seen?
If not planned abduction, just a burglary for cash , camera and bits, then he could of parked further away,
Local knowledge Defo helped him

imo .. an abductor took MM and after walking for a bit , also used a car , parked not too near , but not too far either … quite likely to southwest of 5A .. which could tie with Smith sighting and not involve going past tapas entrance .
Attached is a video clip of theory of possible direction abductor took whilst still walking , which it seems is what even GA thought in early days .
It talks about a camera on that route , but seems was not looked into early enough to get footage . GA was not happy it had been missed .
If this camera footage had been retrieved it could have solved the case .

Madeleine McCann Kidnap 'Was Pre-Planned'

Men seen lurking around the McCanns' apartment and potentially bogus charity collectors prompt new theories on the disappearance.

news.sky.com

 

[Trivento]

IMO very very unlikely to be unplanned. Car parked not too far, not too close. A child in his arms...Maybe west. "Uphill". Not down hill (Tapas entrance, center, people). How could he be Smithman?!
Avoid at all cost roads, crossings, where the police could be/("surprisingly") arrive. But he knew them well...Driving east (Arade)?!
On the other hand...could he have tried without even driving?! exactly where he parked?! No "not possible", it would have to have been in a very exposed area to arrive and then to be "at ease". In an alley, maybe good to get in, but then "unconfortable". Driving most likely.

Agree that a car likely used eventually..

Would point out though that going west initially..then downhill … is a possibility I feel , as does not take past tapas entrance .. and could explain Smith sighting .. imo

Attached clip also talks about possible abductor going towards southwest…

Madeleine McCann Kidnap 'Was Pre-Planned'

Men seen lurking around the McCanns' apartment and potentially bogus charity collectors prompt new theories on the disappearance.

news.sky.com

 

[frank-cole]

If it was planned and he had his car, where would the most logical place be to park the car? For the quickest getaway, and less likely to be seen?
If not planned abduction, just a burglary for cash , camera and bits, then he could of parked further away,
Local knowledge Defo helped him

I read that burglars tend to park their vehicles in relatively close proximity but not typically within view of the places they’re targeting. IMO the abduction wasn’t premeditated, so whatever his pattern was (up until the abduction) would have been very similar to how it was on the other recent occasions he was out stealing, imo

 

[RichardKimble]

How many years later?! LOL

Well the BKA were asking about them 16 yrs after the fact.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Agree that a car likely used eventually..

Would point out though that going west initially..then downhill … is a possibility I feel , as does not take past tapas entrance .. and could explain Smith sighting .. imo

Attached clip also talks about possible abductor going towards southwest…

Madeleine McCann Kidnap 'Was Pre-Planned'

Men seen lurking around the McCanns' apartment and potentially bogus charity collectors prompt new theories on the disappearance.

news.sky.com

The abductor initially had three choices. 1. Towards Tapas bar entrance. Unlikely. 2. Towards West climbing to Primero de Maio avenue, and meet some traffic there. Unlikely. 3. To the East, as JT said, to enter the walker passages, and then to the Southwest doing a round trip. S family sighting 700 meters from there.