Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #40

[Mex]

Imagine you are in a Paddle field (20 meters x 10 meters) at night, with a sodium light but enough to see a person quite well. I was there alone at night, and a cat apperaed and called my attention. In any position at least one of the two (GM or JW) would see JT.

Were you standing in observation mode in an empty street? If so the slightest movement would have attracted your attention.

Don't know about anyone else - but when I am in conversation particularly face to face with one other person - my attention is on that person and what they are saying I don't think I would notice a passer-by on the periphery unless I had to move out of their way.
I never stand and look around me I think basically that would be a rude thing to do if the topic of the conversation was not about something which had happened or was happening at that spot.

With the benefit of hindsight GM would never have checked on his children and went back to his meal and JT would have raised the alarm.
My opinion

 

[Mex]

It depends on one’s motivation. The PJ obviously didn’t think Dr T was the abductor, not least, because he was walking in the opposite direction. Hence, what was there for the PJ to find?

Motivated to move the investigation in a direction away from Tannerman and towards Smithman, OG’s opinion that Dr T was the former enabled this.

The PJ had absolutely no motivation regarding any sighting or witness statement featuring a child being carried other than JT's which was the only one one they knew about apart from Dr T's which is not on PJ record.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Thanks for taking the time to share and detail your view.

Totally agree in regards to previous OC intrusions and same pattern (window), and definitely when you write at some point that week the crime became premeditated. Exactly my thoughts.
Very good point, the re-registering of the car. I do not recall the details, but even if the abduction was premeditated that week, would this make the re-registering so unlikely to occur on the day after? Also unlikely but could it be related with the phone call? Too much complex looking to CB's profile...
I initially tought re-registering could serve more as a tentative alibi(?!) of not being where he was.
If Jaguar had significance to the crime, how? To distract from the typical "hippy bus" and used for the disposal of the injured party?
Just speculative notes...I don't recall if some might not even be possible anymore considering some known facts.

Are you sure the re-registering of the Jaguar was the "day after the abduction"? Read the BKA English appeal document.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Are you sure the re-registering of the Jaguar was the "day after the abduction"? Read the BKA English appeal document.

I thought it was. Do you have that link to BKA appeal? I do not recall to see a different info on this.

 

[Davieson]

Imagine you are in a Paddle field (20 meters x 10 meters) at night, with sodium lights but enough to see a person quite well. I was there alone at night, and a cat apperaed and called my attention. In any position at least one of the two (GM or JW) should had seen JT.

IMO JT heard the conversation in the table about GM talking with JW, and a false memory was created. But she saw the abductor in her 21:50 walk.

This 21.50 journey is her second one of the evening - yes ?
As I understand it, she first went at about 21.15, returning at about 21.30 ? For some reason beyond me OB then left to do some laundry and she relieved him at about 21.45 so that he could get his food, though I'm not sure if he ever did .

realise this is drifting slightly but is just trying to clarify the 21.50 reference in my own mind.

 

[Consider Dudley]

Apart from the hair length ,possibly, JT said collar length didn't she , but couldn't actually have been him could it ? If you're going to argue on that point ,did he throw his jacket away en route and carry on walking around the area Willy illy carrying his child dressed only in pyjamas in what JT described as a cold night ?

No I’m not arguing that Smithman was Totman, just pointing out the facial similarity that’s all. I don’t think Smithman was the abductor either fwiw.

 

[Zuleika]

IMO they gave her an off ramp

It's clear her evidence was always a hot mess. It's clearly not credible she walked pass Gerry and friend in that small street and neither noticed. I don't think there is much to that. It simply shows why it was bad that they all compared notes and contaminated their versions. But at the time she worked through all this, she wasn't aware how significant it would all become. I think the same on some of the others. They gave perhaps self serving accounts, that don't really work.

Most of these issues are to be expected, but its' extra problematic when all the witnesses discussed their evidence first, had been drinking etc

Re GM and JW saying they didn't notice her . But JT said she had to walk around them iirc and she was wearing flip flops on her feet which actually make a noise so I would have thought the one with his back to her would have heard the sound of approaching footsteps and have turned to look who was approaching and move to one side .

 

[Davieson]

Re GM and JW saying they didn't notice her . But JT said she had to walk around them iirc and she was wearing flip flops on her feet which actually make a noise so I would have thought the one with his back to her would have heard the sound of approaching footsteps and have turned to look who was approaching and move to one side .

I cannot believe that 2 people who didn't really know each other could be so engrossed in a conversation as to be unaware of the presence of another person.

 

[Consider Dudley]

JT did see a man at the time she said (as confirmed by The Met) and this time coincided with the time ofthe chat between GM and JT. Why are we continuing to doubt and impugn this woman 16 years on and what has it got to do with CB anyway?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

If PJ had taken note of Dr T's claims that he thought he could have been Tannerman then they could have moved the investigation forward at a far earlier stage. Of course, locating a man the Smiths would not recognise again could have been rather problematic if that person actually was the abductor and made it far more difficult for innocent people to be accused of crimes they didn't commit. CB wasn't Smithman imo.

CB may well be CBman IMO.

 

[Davieson]

JT did see a man at the time she said (as confirmed by The Met) and this time coincided with the time ofthe chat between GM and JT. Why are we continuing to doubt and impugn this woman 16 years on and what has it got to do with CB anyway?

Possibly absolutely nothing at all in that CB might not have been the person that she says she saw that night.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Are you sure the re-registering of the Jaguar was the "day after the abduction"? Read the BKA English appeal document.

AB confirmed that there was no instruction to reregister the Jag 4 May.The paperwork was sent to him around that time - that’s all.

It’s another point of the media campaign made to look more incriminating than it actually is - why?

 

[Consider Dudley]

Possibly absolutely nothing at all in that CB might not have been the person that she says she saw that night.

He wasn’t, the man she saw has almost certainly been identified IMO.

 

[Davieson]

He wasn’t, the man she saw has almost certainly been identified IMO.

Are you saying Tannerman is a red herring ? A waste of time ?

 

[Consider Dudley]

Are you saying Tannerman is a red herring ? A waste of time ?

Yes

 

[Davieson]

I wonder if JT sees it that way ?

 

[Mex]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed because it was rude> I think you have summed up the situation prevalent at the time in the Algarve and the rest of Portugal' which allowed CB to operate almost with impunity.

K and GM are secondary victims of a wicked crime the primary being MM and the job of investigative efforts belonged to the police. But they didn't bother. Probably an expectation any experienced local criminal would know only too well and precisely why the Portuguese police felt obliged to apologise for their colleagues' mishandling of MM's case.

Snip
The force has now apologised for its handling of the case and the way the family was treated.

Officers have now admitted that not enough importance was given to missing children at the time of Maddie's disappearance, adding that they should have been more understanding of her parent's position as foreigners, the BBC said.

Portuguese police also updated the McCs on the ongoing investigation, giving their support to German authorities who believe that CB killed MM.

HCW - one of the German prosecutors working on the long-running case - told the broadcaster regarding the apology: 'It's a good sign. It shows that, in Portugal, there is a development in the MM case.

Portuguese police apologise to Madeleine McCann's parents

Portuguese police have apologised to Madeleine McCann's parents over their investigation into the missing toddler's case.

www.dailymail.co.uk

CB callously raped an older woman (2005) in her villa situated a short distance from the apartment MM was taken from just two years later. And part of that time was spent in jail.
He walked away from the rape which was dropped by the locals until 2019 when the BKA nailed him for the crime.
CB was a presence in PdL. There is evidence making him the prime suspect in the MM case. I see no reason for the investigation into him to proceed.
My opinion

 

[Mex]

I think we should care. Can you explain why on Crimewatch Oct 2013 DCI Redwood showed the 2 Smithman efits but failed to provide any description of the clothing the man was wearing? Was it because the efits may have been the face of Tannerman?

I'm slow today!

JT an honest witness if ever there was one, did not see the child carrier's face well enough to describe it.

But maybe someone else did: that someone being Dr T. Right??

 

[Megnut]

FWIW, I don't think anyone expects a child abductor to walk away carrying the child, like a parent with his own....

And it would take a brazen abductor to casually walk away with a kidnapped chold, cradled in his srms, as if he had neither care nor fear...

But IMO that's exactly what he did.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

How'd he keep her quiet? She was asleep or he promised to take her to her parents so she didn't even know to be afraid or he sedated her...

Jmo