Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #40

[RichardKimble]

It’s amazing how police are attributed with the highest standards of investigative work and integrity… until it fails to match a preferred narrative. OG didn’t give any weight to JT’s sighting by dismissing it, yet it’s still the most likely sighting for some people. It’s hard to weigh up these conflicting views.

Also the supposed apology, the official release from the PJ is on the opening page of this thread with no mention of an apology but yet because Bilton said it's so ,it's true.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

And yet another myth is born as if there haven't been more than enough to be going on with.

There is no verification from a named PJ spokesperson or anyone in authority making the claim. I don't think a journalist quite cuts the mustard on that one.

I feel the same about the apology. This is the third time I’ve asked: could you please provide a named source for the apology?

As you are dismissing the denial of apology on the same grounds, you shouldn’t have an issue with this.

 

[RichardKimble]

I’m certain it’s been posted here before, perhaps do a forum search.

CB may have been wanting to return to Germany. When he did return that same year, he lived with AB. There is a logical argument to say he wanted to reregister the Jag there.

The BKA appeal mentions knowing of the location of both, no forensics were found, HCW talked of no forensics later on.

 

[Consider Dudley]

I’m certain it’s been posted here before, perhaps do a forum search.

CB may have been wanting to return to Germany. When he did return that same year, he lived with AB. There is a logical argument to say he wanted to reregister the Jag there.

In his landlord’s name? Is that logical?

 

[onemoremiletogo]

I’m certain it’s been posted here before, perhaps do a forum search.

CB may have been wanting to return to Germany. When he did return that same year, he lived with AB. There is a logical argument to say he wanted to reregister the Jag there.

Oh I see, ok, but I don't have time for that.
I do not recall AB saying that detail, I only read it was on 4th May.
...that same year...
Sometimes I think that you may write with some "sugar-spiced" to the discussion and eventually you don't even think that way that much. But just MO. It takes a great deal of good will to find that logical or re-registering on 4th (with Police "highlighting" that) a mere coincidence. Just one more...

 

[Denis R Tandib]

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In his landlord’s name? Is that logical?

Matching the address which is necessary - yes, it’s logical

 

[Consider Dudley]

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Matching the address which is necessary - yes, it’s logical

Hmm. If I plan to move and register my car to a new address I would tend to do so in own name, call me crazy!

 

[misty48]

Do we know which address the Winnebago/Allegro which CB rocked up in at Orgiva late May 2007 was registered to?

 

[Megnut]

At the risk of highlighting the obvious, I want to say that CB is brazen, sadistic and indiscriminate.... I think it's his very arrogance that is a real challenge. For those around him.

There's another case where a pedophile abducts a girl, hides her in a compartment in his work truck, drives home, leaves her in the truck while he takes his wife and children out to dinner, in another vehicle.

It's hard to synthesize the two.

I see CB that way.

Gross behavior at public places, where children are likely to play. Assaulting young and old, driven less by lust than power. Sick, twisted, demented power over his victims.

Somebody abducted MM (that's my premise, I'm fully convinced of that much) so the question becomes: who did it, how'd he do it, how'd he get away with it?

I believe it was CB. I believe he was familiar with the area, familiar with breaking and entering. I think he had good intel on which tourists had goods. I think MM's parents, like so many other vacationing parents, felt it was safe enough to leave their children in bed, checking on them at intervals.

It is possible that MM was stolen from her bed. It's not impossible that she may have awakened on her own (window open or opened felt a sudden breeze, got out of bed and then went in search of her parents herself. She was described, I think, as friendly, trusting, like people. If her abductor told her her parents sent him or that he'd take her to them, I could see her believing that, not having reason to doubt or fear him, going along quietly, trust-filled.... I can see him walking away with her, talking to her, singing to her, gaining her trust....

Later, I can see him squirreling her into a hiding spot, terrifying her now. If you make a sound....

And then carrying on as if he hadn't just stolen a mere baby...

I think this is how CB has operated in the world. So outrageously bold, never acting like any of us might imagine how someone would act.... no guilt, no fear, no hurry, no worry, just stand there, stand over, walk away, never a run....

IMO he's the scariest kind.

JMO

 

[Mex]

I do

I don't know the truth of the matter and I can't see that it matters anyway.
It certainly doesn't advance the CB discussion in any way what so ever.

I disagree that when an issue is raised it should not be discussed. Particularly in the MM case and who might have been her abductor. There was so much that was wrong in the conduct of MM's case that it takes a bit of suspension of disbelief.

It matters very much that a missing child was not looked for and a proper investigation was not carried out on suspects who should have been top of the list in 2007.
The allegation is that CB who ultimately became prime suspect in MM's disappearance ten years down the line was never checked out at the time despite being on police radar. Maybe if he had been intercepted and interviewed when police tried to to speak to him in 2007 - years of grief could have been avoided.

The level of incompetence can be measured by the fact that nobody heard of DrT until SY started their investigation. Despite the fact DrT had reported his presence on the street and the child he was carrying to the police. Even if the message had got lost the child must have been signed in and out of the creche.
My opinion

 

[Mex]

I don't think there's anyone on here who would dispute that.

Does innuendo count?

 

[Mex]

Also the supposed apology, the official release from the PJ is on the opening page of this thread with no mention of an apology but yet because Bilton said it's so ,it's true.

Please reread your post regarding the official release from the PJ''.

Had there been a denial - that is where it would be.
Had there been a denial the BBC would have printed an apology or suffered the legal consequences
Had there been a denial all the many publications worldwide which had printed that the Policia Judiciaria had apologised in person to JM would have carried that story too.

The fact that none of that happened tends to indicate that the BBC report that the Judicial Police apologised picked up worldwide is exactly what happened.

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[Denis R Tandib]

Hmm. If I plan to move and register my car to a new address I would tend to do so in own name, call me crazy!

If you do not have a registered postal address, you can’t register a car.

You’re crazy!

 

[Consider Dudley]

If you do not have a registered postal address, you can’t register a car.

You’re crazy!

Then it would be logical to register the car once you have a registered postal address, not days, weeks or months in advance of moving and putting it in the name of someone else hundreds of miles away, especially if you’re still the one driving it. So if I’m crazy what does it make the system that says that’s a perfectly normal and logical way to go about things? If you move country and want to take your car with you do you re-register it in the name of the guy who owns the AirBnB you’re going to be staying at while you look for somewhere more permanent? What was CB’s registered postal address on 3rd May btw?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Then it would be logical to register the car once you have a registered postal address, not days, weeks or months in advance of moving and putting it in the name of someone else hundreds of miles away, especially if you’re still the one driving it. So if I’m crazy what does it make the system that says that’s a perfectly normal and logical way to go about things? If you move country and want to take your car with you do you re-register it in the name of the guy who owns the AirBnB you’re going to be staying at while you look for somewhere more permanent? What was CB’s registered postal address on 3rd May btw?

I’m not sure he had one.

If you recall, the Braunschweig Prosecutor obtained jurisdiction at appeal because CB’s last registered address was in Braunschweig where he had tried to claim benefits.

I can’t speak for specific circumstances or CB’s motivation but it was confirmed on an earlier thread that CB couldn’t transfer the Jag’s registration from Munich to Ausberg without being registered as living in the latter.

I think there were a couple of sources which gave a far looser timeframe of the actual register action of the Jag. I don’t even think AB could remember when it was precisely but IIRC, CB mailed him the paperwork and didn’t direct when specifically he should register it, it was more when he got around to it.

The “next day” reporting is just to sensationalise the info for click bait IMO.

 

[mrjitty]

Hmm. If I plan to move and register my car to a new address I would tend to do so in own name, call me crazy!

I've explained quite a few times that everything in germany depends on the concept of Wohnsitz. Every resident must be registered to live at an address with the Anmeldung Amt

To register a car in a german federal state, you have to have a Wohnsitz in the state.

It appears CB did not have a in Wohnsitz Germany at the time, so was using strawman registrations to maintain german plates.

It's a misunderstanding that he could get a friendly property owner to simply reregister the Jag on the spur of the moment the next day. Like everything in germany there is paperwork involved

So yes - this kind of thing happens, and connivance of a landlord or tenant is generally required to work it.

 

[mrjitty]

Then it would be logical to register the car once you have a registered postal address, not days, weeks or months in advance of moving and putting it in the name of someone else hundreds of miles away, especially if you’re still the one driving it. So if I’m crazy what does it make the system that says that’s a perfectly normal and logical way to go about things? If you move country and want to take your car with you do you re-register it in the name of the guy who owns the AirBnB you’re going to be staying at while you look for somewhere more permanent? What was CB’s registered postal address on 3rd May btw?

You can't register in advance. You need the lease, and then you get a document from the landlord saying you live at the address, (also the people that live there if you are a family). Then you go to Anmeldung Amt and you can register your Wohnsitz

Great you now have your Wohnsitz registration (it is printed our your ID card!) and can register everything else that falls out of that - e.g. apply for new plates for your car.

This is all fine - you just drive around the state with out of state plates for a time.

 

[mrjitty]

I’m not sure he had one.

If you recall, the Braunschweig Prosecutor obtained jurisdiction at appeal because CB’s last registered address was in Braunschweig where he had tried to claim benefits.

I can’t speak for specific circumstances or CB’s motivation but it was confirmed on an earlier thread that CB couldn’t transfer the Jag’s registration from Munich to Ausberg without being registered as living in the latter.

I think there were a couple of sources which gave a far looser timeframe of the actual register action of the Jag. I don’t even think AB could remember when it was precisely but IIRC, CB mailed him the paperwork and didn’t direct when specifically he should register it, it was more when he got around to it.

The “next day” reporting is just to sensationalise the info for click bait IMO.

Yes he did not have a Wohnsitz and the Jag was registered via his associate in Munich. I recall there was reporting about this as the person received infringement notices?

It's possible his Munich contact did not want to continue the grey registration arrangement, or CB had local infringements on those plates

 

[Consider Dudley]

I've explained quite a few times that everything in germany depends on the concept of Wohnsitz. Every resident must be registered to live at an address with the Anmeldung Amt

To register a car in a german federal state, you have to have a Wohnsitz in the state.

It appears CB did not have a in Wohnsitz Germany at the time, so was using strawman registrations to maintain german plates.

It's a misunderstanding that he could get a friendly property owner to simply reregister the Jag on the spur of the moment the next day. Like everything in germany there is paperwork involved

So yes - this kind of thing happens, and connivance of a landlord or tenant is generally required to work it.

Is it possible he set the wheels in motion (pardon pun) of re-registering the car on the 4th and this is where any misunderstanding has arisen? I’m sure the info about the car re-registering has in the past come from the horse’s mouth? The horse being HCW in this case….

 

[Consider Dudley]

OK the information initially came directly from the Met Police

“The second vehicle is a 1993 British Jaguar, model XJR 6, with a German number plate and registered in Germany,” the statement added. “This car is believed to have been in the Praia da Luz and surrounding areas in 2006 and 2007. The car was originally registered in the suspect’s name. On 4 May 2007, the day after Madeleine’s disappearance, the car was re-registered to someone else in Germany.”