Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #40

[Davieson]

If CB is not charged then there is room for someone else to have done it what ever it is.

I think that could apply even if he was charged

To be fair there are cases where LE knows what happened but can’t prove it. Often because the body remains hidden.

I suppose it depends on how you define solved.
There have been cases where a defendant is acquitted and police say they are not looking for anyone else, so they must be satisfied that the case has been solved.

 

[Mex]

He’s the only reason they have a case.

I disagree.
There has been a case since 2007. Unfortunately it took many years to put a name to a face. HeB provided the name, German investigators located the evidence which made CB their prime suspect in the murder of MM.

 

[mrjitty]

I think that could apply even if he was charged

I suppose it depends on how you define solved.
There have been cases where a defendant is acquitted and police say they are not looking for anyone else, so they must be satisfied that the case has been solved.

It's quite common in organised crime cases. When an associate 'goes missing' there isn't exactly a long list of possibilities.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I disagree.
There has been a case since 2007. Unfortunately it took many years to put a name to a face. HeB provided the name, German investigators located the evidence which made CB their prime suspect in the murder of MM.

Hogwash! While the BKA were investigating CB for the material found at the box factory in 2016, they weren’t investigating him for anything to do with MM until HeB gave his statement to OG in May 2017.

OG and the PJ, seemingly had no leads until HeB’s statement. If so where are they?

Without HeB there is no BKA investigation.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

So BKA can't sum 2 + 2...and even with what they found in 2016, chats, etc they only formally started investigating CB on MM after that and with the irreplaceable help of HeB...LOL

 

[Consider Dudley]

Hogwash! While the BKA were investigating CB for the material found at the box factory in 2016, they weren’t investigating him for anything to do with MM until HeB gave his statement to OG in May 2017.

OG and the PJ, seemingly had no leads until HeB’s statement. If so where are they?

Without HeB there is no BKA investigation.

That's rather rude. I think OG made it clear they had dozens of leads to follow up when they took over the investigation but as far as I know they haven't published them in a handy file for online detectives to peruse.

 

[Mex]

Hogwash! While the BKA were investigating CB for the material found at the box factory in 2016, they weren’t investigating him for anything to do with MM until HeB gave his statement to OG in May 2017.

OG and the PJ, seemingly had no leads until HeB’s statement. If so where are they?

Without HeB there is no BKA investigation.

Please allow me to correct your final sentence to "Without supporting evidence there is no investigation".

 

[Davieson]

Please allow me to correct your final sentence to "Without supporting evidence there is no investigation".

Oh I think police can and do investigate on the flimsiest of evidence.
Prosecution is quite another matter.

 

[Mex]

Oh I think police can and do investigate on the flimsiest of evidence.
Prosecution is quite another matter.

Let us agree on that one. Police may start off an enquiry on no evidence at all for a variety of reasons.
First one being they they are obliged to check all the information arising from information received. But intelligence checked out for elimination purposes sometimes gets bumped up into being a link in a chain of evidence.
Without the logic of logistics there is no prosecution just as without evidence - the same..

As far as I can see regarding this extraordinary CB conundrum; when applied to every other police investigation ever known none would ever have been considered worthy of prosecuting because of the barriers of ignorance.
That is simply quite illogical.
My opinion

 

[Anxala]

Within the parameters of the MM case it is opinion, until or charges are laid that's where its at, take exit from 5a, what was the manner, that's all opinion.Woke and wandered or taken out, neither are supported by the crime scene evidence except maybe the open patio door in which case either scenario cannot be ruled out imo.
But it can be argued until the cows come home which method is the more likely without any substantial evidence to go either way, this is why if HCW can produce the remains and positively link CB to them then 5a will have no bearing, but HCW needs CB to be at or near 5a this is why the caller is important.

Personal opinion here, but I think the recovery of remains is highly unlikely. Beyond likely, in fact.

I'm looking only at what HCW can have that makes him confident that CB is the abductor and murderer. Apologies for going back over old well trodden ground but 5A has never featured in either HCW's appeals or in any of his interviews over the years, which always implied that the evidence he based his claims on related to MM's murder rather than her abduction. If he has that evidence, 5A and presence in PdL becomes moot, unnecessary, of incidental value.

So why the ongoing need to place CB in the vicinity on that evening?

 

[Davieson]

Personal opinion here, but I think the recovery of remains is highly unlikely. Beyond likely, in fact.

I'm looking only at what HCW can have that makes him confident that CB is the abductor and murderer. Apologies for going back over old well trodden ground but 5A has never featured in either HCW's appeals or in any of his interviews over the years, which always implied that the evidence he based his claims on related to MM's murder rather than her abduction. If he has that evidence, 5A and presence in PdL becomes moot, unnecessary, of incidental value.

So why the ongoing need to place CB in the vicinity on that evening?

I feel linkage with 5A and abduction is crucial, otherwise its only half a job and the person who abducted/removed MM goes unidentified and unpunished.

There are 2 alleged crimes, abduction and murder. MM's removal from 5A is beyond doubt, murder isn't, so to my mind investigating the manner of her removal is essential.

 

[Anxala]

I feel linkage with 5A and abduction is crucial, otherwise its only half a job and the person who abducted/removed MM goes unidentified and unpunished.

I agree. Those of us who've followed the case from the beginning and have read the PJ files' rogatories and subsequent rogatories (and all the rest) know why clarity as to how MM came to allegedly be in CB's possession is so key to understanding HCW's claims. If CB acted alone, as HCW has said ('we're not looking at anyone else'), then it's entirely reasonable to want to know how CB fits into the 'gap' that the Tapas8 left in their wake.

I'm sure the defence, should this ever go to court, will also want to focus on that 'gap'.

 

[RichardKimble]

Personal opinion here, but I think the recovery of remains is highly unlikely. Beyond likely, in fact.

I'm looking only at what HCW can have that makes him confident that CB is the abductor and murderer. Apologies for going back over old well trodden ground but 5A has never featured in either HCW's appeals or in any of his interviews over the years, which always implied that the evidence he based his claims on related to MM's murder rather than her abduction. If he has that evidence, 5A and presence in PdL becomes moot, unnecessary, of incidental value.

So why the ongoing need to place CB in the vicinity on that evening?

It is hard to fathom why if HCW is convinced that CB killed MM why the importance of the need for CB to be in Luz on the night of 3/05/2007,

 

[RichardKimble]

I agree. Those of us who've followed the case from the beginning and have read the PJ files' rogatories and subsequent rogatories (and all the rest) know why clarity as to how MM came to allegedly be in CB's possession is so key to understanding HCW's claims. If CB acted alone, as HCW has said ('we're not looking at anyone else'), then it's entirely reasonable to want to know how CB fits into the 'gap' that the Tapas8 left in their wake.

I'm sure the defence, should this ever go to court, will also want to focus on that 'gap'.

We know OG went back to the beginning, FF has said there's only a small window
after a visit, so I would think its unconcievable the BKA haven't done the same.

 

[RichardKimble]

Hogwash! While the BKA were investigating CB for the material found at the box factory in 2016, they weren’t investigating him for anything to do with MM until HeB gave his statement to OG in May 2017.

OG and the PJ, seemingly had no leads until HeB’s statement. If so where are they?

Without HeB there is no BKA investigation.

It's been well documented during previous threads, HeB has claimed he told SY of CB in 2008 ,Bilton in the recent pan docu said OG were given CBs name in 2011, 2013 its said the BKA interviewed CB, 2014 after forensically examining the phone records OG went after the three locals, so why wasn't CBs raised as suspicious ? they had his name after all.
The Panorama special where Redwood had his epiphany was shown in Germany ,why didn't HeB come forward then?

 

[Davieson]

We know OG went back to the beginning, FF has said there's only a small window
after a visit, so I would think its unconcievable the BKA haven't done the same.

I don't think BKA went back to the beginning, I think they worked through and accepted what OG had done and went on from there.

 

[RichardKimble]

I don't think BKA went back to the beginning, I think they worked through and accepted what OG had done and went on from there.

Starting from where though? one critical line of enquiry, what ever that was, couldn't have been CB the 10 Yr doc and Rowley statement were the same time.HeB responded to the docu.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

There's a documented order where CB wasn't investigated, despite his name being forwarded, was/is he that clever no physical/ forensic evidence remains, but lots of words it seems.

Words...spoken and written...

 

[RichardKimble]

Words...spoken and written...

That has never come official sources, HCW said no forensics, no body, no dna.

 

[Trivento]

Starting from where though? one critical line of enquiry, what ever that was, couldn't have been CB the 10 Yr doc and Rowley statement were the same time.HeB responded to the docu.

Was it not reported that CB became more of a focus from 2013 onwards.. following the German "crimewatch" type TV programme..?

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