Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #40

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  • #401
Cb could just of been hard faced, parked on the car park, knowing there was no CCTV, as he knows the area and complex, and not walked anywhere
Guess we will just have to wait and see
I suppose the question is where did he take her immediately after?
IMO, no wait. Walking to the car parked, then driving to a quiet and isolated place (Arade, Bravura?!) on roads he knew police would not be or arrive. Although I think he wrote it about drugs,
Where possible, only driving during the day so that my battered ‘hippy bus’ didn’t attract attention, only driving on the roads I needed to and, most importantly never provoking the police
Obviously to avoid police at any cost or possibility. Well, wait parked until damn?! Less likely, in any case, for disposal purposes.
 
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It's not just that it's obvious, it's there as actual fact in the PJ files! Two timelines, the first one created on the night of the 'disappearance', the second one a day later, adjusted to accommodate the 'shortcomings' of the first one.

Which is why I give more credence to Jane Tanner's 'time' account than I do to any of the others. Somewhere along the way, I feel she bore the brunt and ended up a victim of the collusion that created that timeline. JMO.
Why have you put disappearance in inverted commas? Do you not believe Madeleine disappeared? What do you perceive as the ‘shortcomings’ of the first timeline? JT is only a victim because of the hatred and contempt she has been held in by certain people on the internet.
 
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  • #403
Okay. I would be interested then on your views relating to the sightings of people “casing” 5A. Do you think the sightings of PF, CC, LS etc. are all coincidental.

My preference is Smithman as the perp. But I fail to understand how he is compatible with a planned abduction.

Further, it’s difficult for me to discount the perfect execution of an abduction and all the sightings of dodgy characters carrying out reconnaissance on 5A in an unplanned abduction.

IMO, CB would not require any planning to commit a burglary on a building he previously worked at.
The smithman is essentially a non-descript male walking in the dark. It’s far easier to give a detailed eye witness testimony when the person was seen when it was light. Obviously nobody from the group could be smithman - one would have to prove that the space time continuum could be manipulated in order for that argument to begin to be plausible. It may have been CB but I don’t think it’s coin flip odds. IMO the PJ made a number of critical errors. Tottman came forward very early on, yet the PJ still didn’t put that simple piece together, nor did they do the absolute basics like sharing that information. It could well be that the answer to smithman was shredded in a Smokey PJ investigators office.

Regarding the day time sightings, there are many similarities to CB & 1 witness has said he’s the man they saw. It doesn’t surprise me that the man with concrete evidence against him, was at the crime scene at least once. It would be impossible for him not to be.

IMO the crime started as a burglary. I don’t think CB would have been as visible, on so many occasions if he planned on abduction & murder. Imo his primary source of income was burglary & his ‘day job’ was to lurk around this area & steal from any of the units he could. The OC club apartments were being targeted around that time with the window & shutters being raised, identical to what happened in 5a. Far too coincidental to be anybody other than a burglar constantly lurking in that area.

For some of the reasons I’ve stated, I’m really glad the PJ finally apologised to the McCanns.

My opinion.
 
  • #404
The smithman is essentially a non-descript male walking in the dark. It’s far easier to give a detailed eye witness testimony when the person was seen when it was light. Obviously nobody from the group could be smithman - one would have to prove that the space time continuum could be manipulated in order for that argument to begin to be plausible. It may have been CB but I don’t think it’s coin flip odds. IMO the PJ made a number of critical errors. Tottman came forward very early on, yet the PJ still didn’t put that simple piece together, nor did they do the absolute basics like sharing that information. It could well be that the answer to smithman was shredded in a Smokey PJ investigators office.

Regarding the day time sightings, there are many similarities to CB & 1 witness has said he’s the man they saw. It doesn’t surprise me that the man with concrete evidence against him, was at the crime scene at least once. It would be impossible for him not to be.

IMO the crime started as a burglary. I don’t think CB would have been as visible, on so many occasions if he planned on abduction & murder. Imo his primary source of income was burglary & his ‘day job’ was to lurk around this area & steal from any of the units he could. The OC club apartments were being targeted around that time with the window & shutters being raised, identical to what happened in 5a. Far too coincidental to be anybody other than a burglar constantly lurking in that area.

For some of the reasons I’ve stated, I’m really glad the PJ finally apologised to the McCanns.

My opinion.
Could you please elaborate on second paragraph above? I'm note sure I'm capturing the point and would like to understand your view.

Ok on lurking and targeting the area, the complex, apartment but really can't see it as started "only" as a burglary. It seems to me he knew well its target. Too short time, the checks, difficult to change the plan and not even leaving any trace.
 
  • #405
JT has never been confused about anything. She knew what she saw and she knew when she saw it.
Her reference points are simple
  • she passed GM and JW in conversation in the street
  • after passing them she saw a man carrying a child crossing the street
  • GM and JW did not see her. Neither did they see the child carrier
  • but JT observed all GM - JW and the man ahead of her with the child
Her only confusion was in approximating the exact position of GM, JW and the baby buggy were - no confusion about what she saw.
It’s impossible to understand how she thought they were on the opposite side of the street and that they didn’t see her.
 
  • #406
For some of the reasons I’ve stated, I’m really glad the PJ finally apologised to the McCanns.

My opinion.
From official sources in Portugal it's been denied that there has ever been such an apology .
 
  • #407
When you use words like corrupted and collusion it’s very clear where you’re coming from wrt to the Tapas group but it seems Websleuths mods are ok with it and it’s that that I find troubling. It seems I am not permitted to discuss this element of the debate any further however so as you say we will have to leave it there.
They are the correct words to discuss what happened.
 
  • #408
From official sources in Portugal it's been denied that there has ever been such an apology .
Please could you supply a link?
 
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No but what is resolved is that JT described seeing a man walking near Apt 5a and a man came forward matching her description proving she did not invent him as some have claimed.
A man walking in the opposite direction. Perhaps it wasn’t JT but the actual abductor who thought he would do a few laps of PDL to get his steps up for fitness purposes before disappearing with her!

(This is a joke btw)
 
  • #411
In you opinion maybe, other terms are available that are less insinuating.
Perhaps you can receive the correct words in a less insinuating manner and then we’ll be okay.
 
  • #412
It's not just that it's obvious, it's there as actual fact in the PJ files! Two timelines, the first one created on the night of the 'disappearance', the second one a day later, adjusted to accommodate the 'shortcomings' of the first one.

Which is why I give more credence to Jane Tanner's 'time' account than I do to any of the others. Somewhere along the way, I feel she bore the brunt and ended up a victim of the collusion that created that timeline. JMO.
Yes, that’s what I was inferring. I tried to state it as a fact in earlier posts - thanks.
 
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From official sources in Portugal it's been denied that there has ever been such an apology .
The ‘source’ I saw being passed around was a case specific statement from the PJ that didn’t mention an apology. But I’ll refrain from regurgitating conspiracy gossip club chitchat.

IMO it’s highly likely the McCann’s received an apology & rightly so. I’m glad that compassion has been echoed on this thread
 
  • #415
Please could you supply a link?
Here is one:

However, the PJ has refuted these claims, stating that their contact with the McCanns was solely to keep them apprised of the case’s progress. The Portuguese police force also revealed that their investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance is still active, with formal acts of investigation and expertise being conducted in Portugal and abroad, in collaboration with German (BKA) and English (Metropolitan Police) authorities.

 
  • #416
The ‘source’ I saw being passed around was a case specific statement from the PJ that didn’t mention an apology. But I’ll refrain from regurgitating conspiracy gossip club chitchat.

IMO it’s highly likely the McCann’s received an apology & rightly so. I’m glad that compassion has been echoed on this thread
And from The Portuguese Resident " *SIC Notícias on Monday evening carried a news item to insist that Portugal’s PJ police did NOT travel to UK to apologise to the parents of Madeleine McCann. They went, as the statement issued earlier today explains, to update the couple on the situation as of ‘now’.
 
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Could you please elaborate on second paragraph above? I'm note sure I'm capturing the point and would like to understand your view.

Ok on lurking and targeting the area, the complex, apartment but really can't see it as started "only" as a burglary. It seems to me he knew well its target. Too short time, the checks, difficult to change the plan and not even leaving any trace.
Will do, apologies I didn’t do so before. The primary motive of the offender is something I’ve changed my mind on numerous times over the years, including before CB was identified as the sole prime suspect. For obvious reasons I’ve always considered stranger abduction to be the only plausible scenario. It doesn’t surprise me that the Germans say it was, but it is devastating that the perpetrator was the worst of the worst.

It’s a hard one to judge because CB was a prolific burglar who has a history of assaulting children, including children that he doesn’t know.

I think the primary motive would have influenced his behaviour after the abduction. The re-registering of the car perhaps indicates that he was trying to cover his tracks quickly because the Jaguar has significance to the crime. Perhaps if the crime was premeditated re-registering his car would have been before the fact & not after the fact.

IMO his visibility in the area may suggest he wasn’t lurking with the intention to commit a major crime. Perhaps he’d have been far less obvious.

The previous OC intrusions with the window & shutter being opened is identical to what happened in 5a. Same MO, same area, same time, same pattern. Very unlikely to not be the same offender. I think his ‘day job’ was to lurk around multiple complexes in that region, waiting for the opportunity to steal.

A week before, Pamela Fenn from the apartment above, caught a man in the act & watched him flee out of an opened window.

Even as I write this I’m not 100%. 80/20 I’d say.

It may well be that whilst lurking his objective was looking for opportunities to steal & at some point that week the crime became premeditated. He comitted other intrusions-sexual offences specifically when major football matches were on. The night of the abduction the European cup Semi-final was being played. That said he was also known to target these times to steal. The 28 unsolved (shocker) incidents of a man breaking into young girls bedrooms may well have been CB. If so it’s also possible the motive was terrifying.

What are your thoughts?
 
  • #418
@ Frank - Cole
My thoughts are it would be stupid beyond belief to lurk around a property in daylight that you intended to rob .
 
  • #419
And from The Portuguese Resident " *SIC Notícias on Monday evening carried a news item to insist that Portugal’s PJ police did NOT travel to UK to apologise to the parents of Madeleine McCann. They went, as the statement issued earlier today explains, to update the couple on the situation as of ‘now’.
I am waiting to see an article with a verbatim quotation from the PJ refuting the BBC’s claims. I don’t expect there’ll be one because the PJ would only have reason to if they didn’t make the apology. Rationally speaking, the PJ have CB as the sole prime suspect which means that the spotlight will have be shone on how wrong the initial hypothesis was. It’s highly unlikely that those 2 factors wouldn’t yield an apology of sorts. I think I people are reaching for something that isn’t there. As I said, should it be false it’s very likely they’d officially refute it. If that happens I’ll change my mind.

I am pleased that there was an apology.
 
  • #420
Here is one:

However, the PJ has refuted these claims, stating that their contact with the McCanns was solely to keep them apprised of the case’s progress. The Portuguese police force also revealed that their investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance is still active, with formal acts of investigation and expertise being conducted in Portugal and abroad, in collaboration with German (BKA) and English (Metropolitan Police) authorities.

Is this an approved news source? I don’t see any direct quote from the PJ - how was this apology denial actually communicated to the world? Via an unnamed source, an official press statement or what?
 
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