Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #40

[onemoremiletogo]

OK the information initially came directly from the Met Police

“The second vehicle is a 1993 British Jaguar, model XJR 6, with a German number plate and registered in Germany,” the statement added. “This car is believed to have been in the Praia da Luz and surrounding areas in 2006 and 2007. The car was originally registered in the suspect’s name. On 4 May 2007, the day after Madeleine’s disappearance, the car was re-registered to someone else in Germany.”

The question is the 4th May. Anything should have started that day (request, paperwork, whatever). Police announced that so it has to have some support.
4th May...I still think it can't be just a mere coincidence. And, although he did not seem to be a sophisticated criminal, but maybe a matter to start aligning on that long call...

 

[Consider Dudley]

I’m not sure he had one.

If you recall, the Braunschweig Prosecutor obtained jurisdiction at appeal because CB’s last registered address was in Braunschweig where he had tried to claim benefits.

I can’t speak for specific circumstances or CB’s motivation but it was confirmed on an earlier thread that CB couldn’t transfer the Jag’s registration from Munich to Ausberg without being registered as living in the latter.

I think there were a couple of sources which gave a far looser timeframe of the actual register action of the Jag. I don’t even think AB could remember when it was precisely but IIRC, CB mailed him the paperwork and didn’t direct when specifically he should register it, it was more when he got around to it.

The “next day” reporting is just to sensationalise the info for click bait IMO.

BIB “If you do not have a registered postal address, you can’t register a car. You’re crazy!”
Does this mean his Jag was not registered at all?

 

[Mex]

You can't register in advance. You need the lease, and then you get a document from the landlord saying you live at the address, (also the people that live there if you are a family). Then you go to Anmeldung Amt and you can register your Wohnsitz

Great you now have your Wohnsitz registration (it is printed our your ID card!) and can register everything else that falls out of that - e.g. apply for new plates for your car.

This is all fine - you just drive around the state with out of state plates for a time.

But isn't the vehicle in which you are driving around registered in your name if it is your vehicle?

 

[mrjitty]

Is it possible he set the wheels in motion (pardon pun) of re-registering the car on the 4th and this is where any misunderstanding has arisen? I’m sure the info about the car re-registering has in the past come from the horse’s mouth? The horse being HCW in this case….

I really don't know the details to comment but having had a look around it seems like landlord would have needed at least the ownership papers and insurance documentation to reregister it - so the situation in a typical private sale.

Perhaps the 4th was listed at the date of transfer of ownership?

 

[mrjitty]

BIB “If you do not have a registered postal address, you can’t register a car. You’re crazy!”
Does this mean his Jag was not registered at all?

IIRC it was registered to a Munich address

 

[Consider Dudley]

I really don't know the details to comment but having had a look around it seems like landlord would have needed at least the ownership papers and insurance documentation to reregister it - so the situation in a typical private sale.

Perhaps the 4th was listed at the date of transfer of ownership?

Maybe. Obviously SOMETHING pertaining to the registering of the car happened on that day unless the Met are outright lying to the public which, if they were, you'd imagine CB in one of his numerous missives to his supporters might have mentioned, likewise AB who has given interviews to the press.

 

[mrjitty]

Maybe. Obviously SOMETHING pertaining to the registering of the car happened on that day unless the Met are outright lying to the public which, if they were, you'd imagine CB in one of his numerous missives to his supporters might have mentioned, likewise AB who has given interviews to the press.

It'd be interesting to know when the original registration needed to be renewed

 

[Consider Dudley]

It'd be interesting to know when the original registration needed to be renewed

How often does that have to happen? It strikes me as slightly odd that someone as lawless as CB appears to be would be concerned about keeping his car registration up to date.

 

[Davieson]

How often does that have to happen? It strikes me as slightly odd that someone as lawless as CB appears to be would be concerned about keeping his car registration up to date.

I agree, although CB might have thought that correct registration would keep him from running foul of police while on one of his numerous journeys

 

[mrjitty]

How often does that have to happen? It strikes me as slightly odd that someone as lawless as CB appears to be would be concerned about keeping his car registration up to date.

I think i mixed up two concepts. You register, then just pay the tax each year

You definitely cannot do all of this in one day. You need to get new plates printed, then take them to get the official seal put on, then you can put them on your car

In any event the main point seems to be that the landlord could not register the car in Augsburg without the ownership papers so he must have received them before he went to the Amt

 

[Consider Dudley]

I agree, although CB might have thought that correct registration would keep him from running foul of police while on one of his numerous journeys

I just don’t see how changing the ownerhip of your car to someone else achieves the aim of staying on the right side of the law, but hey, what do I know.

 

[Consider Dudley]

I think i mixed up two concepts. You register, then just pay the tax each year

You definitely cannot do all of this in one day. You need to get new plates printed, then take them to get the official seal put on, then you can put them on your car

In any event the main point seems to be that the landlord could not register the car in Augsburg without the ownership papers so he must have received them before he went to the Amt

Maybe he already had them in his possession? I don’t know if CB ever stayed there prior to May 2007 and had left some stuff with AB? Who knows. It will likely remain a mystery unless it gets to court and is part of the prosecution case.

 

[Davieson]

I suppose ultimately it is for the Portuguese to decide what resources will be allocated to investigate a crime within their jurisdiction.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

I wonder what we are doing here. Commenting media news with the knowledge that they are at the best wrong and at the worst false? Investigating as "websleuths" without knowing all the data?

It was OK when we have almost all the PJ files, and no authorities were investigating. But now?

 

[Consider Dudley]

I wonder what we are doing here. Commenting media news with the knowledge that they are at the best wrong and at the worst false? Investigating as "websleuths" without knowing all the data?

It was OK when we have almost all the PJ files, and no authorities were investigating. But now?

All you suggesting that all media news is wrong? Media reports are all we have to discuss. Most media reports are reasonably accurate, especially if they are from reputable news outlets. If you think that what we are doing here since this news about CB broke has ever been anything more worthwhile than gossiping and speculating then I would disagree. In fact I would go so far as to put every online contribution about this case since early May 2007 in the “gossip and speculation“ category. Still, it passes the time.

 

[RichardKimble]

I wonder what we are doing here. Commenting media news with the knowledge that they are at the best wrong and at the worst false? Investigating as "websleuths" without knowing all the data?

It was OK when we have almost all the PJ files, and no authorities were investigating. But now?

If CB is responsible, how did he slip under the radar, OG went after the locals, this was after forensically searching the telephone records and no doubt some background on them, were any of them suspected sex offenders? why would it have been suspected they took MM in a botched burglary ?
Move on to CB is there any indication he was on a sex offenders register shared across Europe or did open borders prevent or hinder the sharing of information?

 

[Deleted member 268165]

All you suggesting that all media news is wrong?

Of course not. But it seems we can only be sure when there is a video of HCW talking, or an official statement.

 

[Consider Dudley]

Of course not. But it seems we can only be sure when there is a video of HCW talking, or an official statement.

And even then those are often disbelieved, that the officials are lying to us, or just idiots who don’t know what they are talking about.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

BIB “If you do not have a registered postal address, you can’t register a car. You’re crazy!”
Does this mean his Jag was not registered at all?

No, it was previously on Munich plates. There is no way of knowing if it was registered to him or not but that was where it was previously registered. IIRC, he bought the car from his brother who has a car (Jaguar) dealer.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Maybe. Obviously SOMETHING pertaining to the registering of the car happened on that day unless the Met are outright lying to the public which, if they were, you'd imagine CB in one of his numerous missives to his supporters might have mentioned, likewise AB who has given interviews to the press.

AB has mentioned that it wasn’t the 4 May.