Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #40

[Anxala]

I personally don’t believe it but not everyone in Morocco or other Arabic countries is poor.
its at least more likely than the “ Mccanns called him to get rid of her body” nonsense.
why does Sutton believes it? Surely he would have done some research and doesn’t exclude this possibility

^ I'm sure we can all agree on that. There's not a single piece of evidence to support it as a theory.

 

[Anxala]

If someone paid a suitable, chosen individual to abduct a child, for use by a paedophile ring, then that damaged child would need to be disposed of afterwards, dead or alive. Who better to do that job than the person who took the child in the first place, leaving that person to bear sole responsibility? I realise how unpleasant all this sounds but honestly don't believe BKA have spent all the man hours they've invested if this was a one-man one-victim isolated crime.
All my opinion.

I hear you, but there's absolutely no evidence to this day that an abduction took place. That's my stumbling block as far as CB is concerned. It's not that I don't think he's capable of abducting a child, it's just that nothing has emerged to date in this German investigation that throws any light on how MM allegedly came to be in the hands of CB. On the contrary, it doesn't even seem to be a concern for HCW and co.

In the interests of truth as to what happened to MM, and in the absence of a charge, it's always going to remain an ongoing concern for me.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I personally don’t believe it but not everyone in Morocco or other Arabic countries is poor.
its at least more likely than the “ Mccanns called him to get rid of her body” nonsense.
why does Sutton believes it? Surely he would have done some research and doesn’t exclude this possibility

Understand but the GDP per capita in Morocco is $4,200. In the EU it’s $43k. MM was more valuable in the EU and the market is bigger. Does it rule out Morocco? No. But, there is only the opinion of an ex-cop who never worked on the investigation saying that it could have happened to support it.

The nonsense word is used a lot on here. HCW seems certain CB came into contact with MM. he cannot charge him with a crime against her though.

Compare both options. IMO, Morocco is much more likely to be nonsense than CB being the clean-up man. Both perhaps unlikely but CB is the sort of random dodgy character that would be hired to dispose of a body. More so than risk international travel to deliver a stolen white girl to

 

[Tekno]

I hear you, but there's absolutely no evidence to this day that an abduction took place. That's my stumbling block as far as CB is concerned. It's not that I don't think he's capable of abducting a child, it's just that nothing has emerged to date in this German investigation that throws any light on how MM allegedly came to be in the hands of CB. On the contrary, it doesn't even seem to be a concern for HCW and co.

In the interests of truth as to what happened to MM, and in the absence of a charge, it's always going to remain an ongoing concern for me.

IMO, the BKA has found something that links CB to 5A.

 

[Davieson]

Understand but the GDP per capita in Morocco is $4,200. In the EU it’s $43k. MM was more valuable in the EU and the market is bigger. Does it rule out Morocco? No. But, there is only the opinion of an ex-cop who never worked on the investigation saying that it could have happened to support it.

The nonsense word is used a lot on here. HCW seems certain CB came into contact with MM. he cannot charge him with a crime against her though.

Compare both options. IMO, Morocco is much more likely to be nonsense than CB being the clean-up man. Both perhaps unlikely but CB is the sort of random dodgy character that would be hired to dispose of a body. More so than risk international travel to deliver a stolen white girl to

That's the problem with this case - a lot of things COULD have happened, but there is little, if any evidence to support any of them.

I prefer to consider probabilities rather than possibilities.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Agree. I would say though that arguing against theories which have known flaws and fact fails is important, just so they stop gaining legs. Speculation is fine, it's all we have, but I can't see the benefit of time spent on speculation that ignores and/or twists known facts as it ultimately takes us no further forward. JMO.

Psychics, nut jobs (Derek Kroger was off his rocker) and people who think they’re MM. From its spectacular launch to today, it’s a magnet for crazies and their ideas… I think CB could well fall into this camp.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

That's the problem with this case - a lot of things COULD have happened, but there is little, if any evidence to support any of them.

I agree. I am more inclined to believe CB has some connection to the crime though than anything to do with rich Moroccon paedos placing an order for a British toddler.

I agree with @RichardKimble that the more convoluted the idea, the less likely it is to be true. MM disappeared, how will be simple when we find out.

The only thing I hope JC is right about is that we find out this year… even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day!

 

[Denis R Tandib]

IMO, the BKA has found something that links CB to 5A.

It has to link him to it 3 May 2007 to be useful. As an ex employee and likely burglar, he can defend anything that falls outside this precise window.

 

[WestLondoner]

Is CB not in the frame simply because HB informed on him? If so, I tend to wonder why it is that HB has produced nothing, so far as we know, that implicates CB. He's tipped off about CB's vehicles, hangouts and property back in Germany; searches have ensued; and the case against CB has stalled.

I don't understand why the BKA took him seriously to be honest.

 

[RichardKimble]

Is CB not in the frame simply because HB informed on him? If so, I tend to wonder why it is that HB has produced nothing, so far as we know, that implicates CB. He's tipped off about CB's vehicles, hangouts and property back in Germany; searches have ensued; and the case against CB has stalled.

I don't understand why the BKA took him seriously to be honest.

I guess the kind of info HeB was providing was a first in relation to MM, CB had to be investigated but it stalled in 2020 after 3 yrs ,the 2020 appeal was a last throw because it had gone as far as it could with out any more evidence hence appeals over CB's movements, vehicle movements and the phone call ,which obviously HeB couldn't provide,.I think the BKA took the gamble by letting it be known they had a prime suspect in the hope that this would be a catalyst for the damming evidence which doesn't seemed to have materialised..All imo.

 

[WestLondoner]

ISTR reading that HB was known to the PJ as "Helge Bull....er" because he was such a fantasist. If so then the BKA start to look exceedingly foolish.

 

[Davieson]

Thank you, Hygge. It appears that the coverage will be extensive. I’m guessing photographers won’t be able to take pictures inside the courtroom and I hope that’s the case. I think many of the witnesses statements will be upsetting to read, but I’m glad that the Braunschweig Prosecutors office, HCW and the BKA have all delivered and got these cases to trial. I’m concerned that the trials against CB will pull out unfounded and amplified scrutiny in the wrong directions and I hope ‘fighting the cause’ doesn’t feed in to that.

What do you consider to be the wrong directions ?

 

[Anxala]

IMO, the BKA has found something that links CB to 5A.

What, though? As far as I'm aware, HCW has never indicated that he has any evidence that links CB to 5A. Have I missed something? I can't recall him ever even mentioning 5A. The impression he's always given is that the evidence he has relates to a time and place well post-3rd May. And that what he has is so damning that the actual mechanics of how CB carried out this alleged abduction were not - didn't even need to be - a concern for his investigation.

And yet, he's spent the past 3 years trying to find the caller who can place CB at the other end of a telephone that pinged within the PdL area on that evening, to no avail. Appeal after appeal. Nothing. If he had something that credibly linked CB to 5A, then why place so much emphasis, year on year, in locating the caller of this telephone call - which was always going to be a very long shot anyway for all the reasons discussed on previous threads.

 

[Tekno]

It has to link him to it 3 May 2007 to be useful. As an ex employee and likely burglar, he can defend anything that falls outside this precise window.

It has to link him to it 3 May 2007 to be useful. As an ex employee and likely burglar, he can defend anything that falls outside this precise window.

Not necessarily only 3 May. CB could have been in 5A during the McCann’s week-long stay. This is just my opinion.

 

[Tekno]

What, though? As far as I'm aware, HCW has never indicated that he has any evidence that links CB to 5A. Have I missed something? I can't recall him ever even mentioning 5A. The impression he's always given is that the evidence he has relates to a time and place well post-3rd May. And that what he has is so damning that the actual mechanics of how CB carried out this alleged abduction were not - didn't even need to be - a concern for his investigation.

And yet, he's spent the past 3 years trying to find the caller who can place CB at the other end of a telephone that pinged within the PdL area on that evening, to no avail. Appeal after appeal. Nothing. If he had something that credibly linked CB to 5A, then why place so much emphasis, year on year, in locating the caller of this telephone call - which was always going to be a very long shot anyway for all the reasons discussed on previous threads.

When asked if they could place CB in 5A, Wolters only said he’d rather not comment because it would raise more questions.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

When asked if they could place CB in 5A, Wolters only said he’d rather not comment because it would raise more questions.

My interpretation of this is that he can’t place him there, hence more questions would follow.

 

[RichardKimble]

IMO, the BKA has found something that links CB to 5A.

To 5a or MM, there is a difference, nothing to link him to MM, .The express article is from May last year, 3 yrs prior HCW was claiming the same.

He told the Channel 5 programme: “We have no forensic evidence that Madeleine is dead, we have no other results.

“I don’t know where the body is right now. If we knew, we would have found it.”

Investigators ‘have no forensic evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead

GERMAN investigators examining the disappearance of Madeleine McCann "have no forensic evidence" to suggest she is dead, despite believing that she has been killed.

www.express.co.uk

 

[frank-cole]

What do you consider to be the wrong directions ?

You can do the math but I can’t tell you.

There was a bizarre yet predictable increase in hostility (in the wrong direction) when CB was named as the sole prime suspect. It was unfounded & nonsensical. But unfortunately it will continue & amplify throughout any CB related trial & prosecutorial juncture.

I wasn’t wrong about this then, I don’t expect to be wrong about this in the future either. Any case against CB flows with or against public opinion & in some cases it goes deeper because it goes against an idea that people have identified with.

 

[Hygge]

ISTR reading that HB was known to the PJ as "Helge Bull....er" because he was such a fantasist. If so then the BKA start to look exceedingly foolish.

HeB is not the start of all. The German police

To 5a or MM, there is a difference, nothing to link him to MM, .The express article is from May last year, 3 yrs prior HCW was claiming the same.

He told the Channel 5 programme: “We have no forensic evidence that Madeleine is dead, we have no other results.

“I don’t know where the body is right now. If we knew, we would have found it.”

Investigators ‘have no forensic evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead

GERMAN investigators examining the disappearance of Madeleine McCann "have no forensic evidence" to suggest she is dead, despite believing that she has been killed.

www.express.co.uk

So has he said we have no forensics at all or only no forensic evidence she is dead?

 

[Davieson]

HeB is not the start of all. The German police

So has he said we have no forensics at all or only no forensic evidence she is dead?

I think the implication was that there was no forensic link between CB and MM or 5A