Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[thinker47]

You don't know that.
On this occassion you are choosing to believe the findings of the court, but as is argued on here in connection with CB's recent trial, courts can make mistakes.

So.... we should mistrust every conviction without an eye witness - or should we mistrust them also, maybe? And we can continue to speculate and conjecture and search for new evidence and new perpetrators in every 'solved' case we look at? Ad infinitum? Or more properly, I'm guessing, ad nauseam

 

[JB1510]

To set the record straight - he sexually abused at least 2 children and he was charged for sexual abuse. I cannot even believe that you are minimising this. His criminal history is there and known - he is a vile evil psychopath who abused children. He is not a petty criminal .

Also worth nothing the 2nd assault happened 3 days before he was due in court for the first one .

 

[Davieson]

So.... we should mistrust every conviction without an eye witness - or should we mistrust them also, maybe? And we can continue to speculate and conjecture and search for new evidence and new perpetrators in every 'solved' case we look at? Ad infinitum? Or more properly, I'm guessing, ad nauseam

I am pointing out that you don't know for certain the validity of any verdict.
Verdicts stand until overturned by an appeal process.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Then share the 'logical explanation' as it seems to escape my logic.

Was there a launderette or laundry service in PDL - common in holiday locations. Did DM have a cleaner who may have come into contact with CB? These are logical options that could have been tested by decent defence lawyers.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I am pointing out that you don't know for certain the validity of any verdict.
Verdicts stand until overturned by an appeal process.

Exactly and many people would be happy if the appeal for the acquittal in the last trial is granted.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Was there a launderette or laundry service in PDL - common in holiday locations. Did DM have a cleaner who may have come into contact with CB? These are logical options that could have been tested by decent defence lawyers.

There are several laundries in PDL - one, Rita’s, is right in front of the Ocean Club. I don’t imagine CB had the facilities in his finca and it’s quite possible DM used such an outlet.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Please do not do that. He has abused children since he was 17 at least. On record and convicted. This is not a different type of offender. He is dangerous, acts on his impulses and is risk-taking. Crimes such as those he has been convicted is not just "a single hair". Do not minimise his crimes!

SURE. Not for a second I devalue: also convicted of sexual abuse of a child in Germany and sentenced to 15 months in prison. And the other of his crimes.

IMO the issue with CB is what was not reported, what was not proven about the serious crimes I believe he may have commited. And the way (also with some luck) he has managed to escape detection.

 

[C.greek]

There are several laundries in PDL - one, Rita’s, is right in front of the Ocean Club. I don’t imagine CB had the facilities in his finca and it’s quite possible DM used such an outlet.

Oh please, Why would you imagine DM used such an outlet?! I don't really think there is any merit discussing this tbh. It was CB's hair that was found there and Not Anybody else's. If there was any merit into this, they would have found DNAs of everyone in the vicinity. Do you think DM had no washing machine in her house?! Why make all these assumptions that have no validity whatsoever? The appeal was overturned, CB has been charged based on solid forensic evidence, AND the testimonies of 2 witnesses who saw similar incriminating material. Are you trying to say that CB is just a weirdo and petty criminal? Is this what you believe?

 

[onemoremiletogo]

The hair - Dismissing CB's cat theory (unless it had velcro or double-sided sticky fur). How on earth could anyone explain how his hair ended up in DM's bed? It couldn't have wafted in on the PDL breeze. It was damning evidence and helped secure his conviction, instead of going round in circles over this I've yet to hear any other theory or explanation from anyone as to how it could have got there.

Other obvious here.
Cat story is ultra-ridiculous. He melted into himself (AGAIN) confirming that he was nearby.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

To set the record straight - he sexually abused at least 2 children and he was charged for sexual abuse. I cannot even believe that you are minimising this. His criminal history is there and known - he is a vile evil psychopath who abused children. He is not a petty criminal .

And this in 2025(!)...when we all know who CB really is. Not for me, not for us.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

So.... we should mistrust every conviction without an eye witness - or should we mistrust them also, maybe? And we can continue to speculate and conjecture and search for new evidence and new perpetrators in every 'solved' case we look at? Ad infinitum? Or more properly, I'm guessing, ad nauseam

Spice to keep lateral discussions.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Oh please, Why would you imagine DM used such an outlet?! I don't really think there is any merit discussing this tbh. It was CB's hair that was found there and Not Anybody else's. If there was any merit into this, they would have found DNAs of everyone in the vicinity. Do you think DM had no washing machine in her house?! Why make all these assumptions that have no validity whatsoever? The appeal was overturned, CB has been charged based on solid forensic evidence, AND the testimonies of 2 witnesses who saw similar incriminating material. Are you trying to say that CB is just a weirdo and petty criminal? Is this what you believe?

You are mistaken. It was requested up-thread that logical reasons for the hair being there were provided. If you followed the thread carefully you would understand that @Davieson and I are responding and providing options. It’s not to say we think this happened, just that they are logical options.

 

[Versus]

We've established nothing, we're but commentators.

OK, then as commentators we two have reached an understanding. The crime scene photos neither implicate nor exonerate the prime suspect. In any case I’m not sure of the relevance of bringing them up in the context of the recent discussion concerning CB.

 

[tedtink]

You are mistaken. It was requested up-thread that logical reasons for the hair being there were provided. If you followed the thread carefully you would understand that @Davieson and I are responding and providing options. It’s not to say we think this happened, just that they are logical options.

I asked for logical reasons though. Funnily enough I got the answer I expected too, that the hair was 'planted'
Shouldn't we stop beating around the Bosch (tumble dryer) now?

 

[C.greek]

You are mistaken. It was requested up-thread that logical reasons for the hair being there were provided. If you followed the thread carefully you would understand that @Davieson and I are responding and providing options. It’s not to say we think this happened, just that they are logical options.

These are not logical options imo. The launderette use is as absurd as the easy transfer of DNA via a cat. If these were logical options, they should have found the DNA of more than one person. So it happens that the forensic evidence they found belongs to a sex predator who had filmed similar rapes in the past, witnessed by 2 people and who as we now know was "fantasising " about heinous crimes against children and women of all ages. It is beyond me how we can still be discussing this. From what I have read CB is vile, evil, and a despicable person who is absolutely capable of committing the most heinous crimes. I don't understand how other people cannot see that and are still doubting his psychopathic traits. Jmo

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Oh please, Why would you imagine DM used such an outlet?! I don't really think there is any merit discussing this tbh. It was CB's hair that was found there and Not Anybody else's. If there was any merit into this, they would have found DNAs of everyone in the vicinity. Do you think DM had no washing machine in her house?! Why make all these assumptions that have no validity whatsoever? The appeal was overturned, CB has been charged based on solid forensic evidence, AND the testimonies of 2 witnesses who saw similar incriminating material. Are you trying to say that CB is just a weirdo and petty criminal? Is this what you believe?

Overturned, yes and again, obviously.
Beyond the surreal that has already been written here with such complex narratives to try to confuse MM case, IMO this beats everything! Cat story was not enough...

 

[Davieson]

I asked for logical reasons though. Funnily enough I got the answer I expected too, that the hair was 'planted'
Shouldn't we stop beating around the Bosch (tumble dryer) now?

If you knew the answer, why ask the question?
Can you exclude the possibilty of a plant and if so, how?

 

[Versus]

Perhaps those who consider it possible that CB’s hair made its way inocently into the victim’s bed might like also like to consider the incredible coincidence that his DNA was present there and confirmed the validity of HB’s claim that CB had committed a similar crime as witnessed on the video found amongst his possessions. I mean, what are the odds?

 

[frank-cole]

I asked for logical reasons though. Funnily enough I got the answer I expected too, that the hair was 'planted'
Shouldn't we stop beating around the Bosch (tumble dryer) now?

Yes - not sure conspiracies about the planting of evidence is appropriate for a sleuth thread

 

[tedtink]

If you knew the answer, why ask the question?
Can you exclude the possibilty of a plant and if so, how?

It was a rhetorical question.