Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[C.greek]

Very often these men have been subjected to similar acts during their own childhood .
Similar to acts of physical cruelty by a parent on their own child , the former are purely sexual perversions acted out on their victims in adulthood .

And we know CB suffered these during his childhood by his Foster parents. And his biological mother is said to have abandoned him and his brother. (From what I've read I think she was either an alcoholic or a drug addict?) In any case, CB has been a victim of violence when he was a child, so definitely fits the profile.

 

[frank-cole]

I think it’s in reaction to the attempts to make out that his crimes aren’t that bad compared to abduction and murder, the illogical conclusion being that this means he’s unlikely to have committed these more serious crimes.

You’re bob on with that.

 

[tedtink]

Has there been any attempt to rehabilitate him? Is there such a programme in Germany? If not why not? Is their system designed in that ok you've payed your price to society, off you go, the only thing likely to extend his stay in prison is lack of money.

There's no cure for psychopathy or paraphilic disorders. CB would have to actively engage with therapists in order to benefit from any treatment on, say, impulse control, empathy development, but he says he's innocent. Why would he engage in treatment if that's the case. He refused to speak to the Psychiatrist.

 

[Davieson]

The law differentiates between different levels of crime, as is demonstrated by sentencing policy, so clearly some crime is considered worse than other by authority.

 

[frank-cole]

CB has already been talking about what he’s going to do when he’s released which includes having facial surgery to alter his looks .

Good point

I still recognise Mickey Rourke so I have hope that with plastic surgery CB will be picked up very quickly

 

[Davieson]

Good point

I still recognise Mickey Rourke so I have hope that with plastic surgery CB will be picked up very quickly

To what end? Once released he can't just be arrested on the grounds that he might commit some crime.

 

[tedtink]

CB has already been talking about what he’s going to do when he’s released which includes having facial surgery to alter his looks .

Bless him.
They say it's not what's on the outside that counts, it's what's on the inside........ that should freaking scare you to hell!

 

[Lilly b]

Unless he has a stash of cash somewhere, unlikely as he seems unable to pay a 'get out of jail'fine, he is likely to revert to petty crime in order to survive.
Indulging in abuse, child or adult, is likely to be low down on his list of priories.

Did he sell the box factory? Or still own it?

 

[Lilly b]

That MM is no longer inside.

She got out somehow.

Door and window, on the short list.

While he may have opened the window as a back up point of egress, I very much doubt he exited that way, and with a child no less. That leaves the door, the obvious first choice IMO. Why would anyone leave any other way, with nothing stopping him?

With gloves and probably a cap and precious little time inside, it would be a surprise if there were any forensics to be found.

JMO

He could of just said to her, if she was awake or woke up ,
come with me, I will take you to mummy and daddy, then taken her to his car or van?

 

[Zuleika]

He could of just said to her, if she was awake or woke up ,
come with me, I will take you to mummy and daddy, then taken her to his car or van?

My counter argument to that is one of her relatives said she was “ a screamer”. Would she have gone without her cuddle cat without screaming?

The window was not open as alleged.Going out of the door he could have run into anyone but if he did he was considerate enough to fasten the gate behind him .
Just a thought , has he ever been asked what he was wearing that night ?

 

[Megnut]

He could of just said to her, if she was awake or woke up ,
come with me, I will take you to mummy and daddy, then taken her to his car or van?

Exactly.

Walk right out with her.

Close the gate behind him.

Just a dad with a child.

Hardly a sight to notice.

Except it was everything but.

JMO

 

[tedtink]

My counter argument to that is one of her relatives said she was “ a screamer”. Would she have gone without her cuddle cat without screaming?

The window was not open as alleged.Going out of the door he could have run into anyone but if he did he was considerate enough to fasten the gate behind him .
Just a thought , has he ever been asked what he was wearing that night ?

Nobody heard screams.

Apparently CB had a charming and considerate side/ sliver / splinter.

 

[C.greek]

The law differentiates between different levels of crime, as is demonstrated by sentencing policy, so clearly some crime is considered worse than other by authority.

That's why he should be incarcerated in a psychiatric hospital. He has already escalated from indecent exposure to contact sexual abuse and that was very quick, already in his teens. If you want you can look at articles that have been written about this. It is well known that there is often a trajectory which escalates to rape and sexual murder. Because the society is still behind in its laws and punishment for crimes of sexual nature against children and women does not in any way mean anything for the severity of his crimes nor about the existant danger of him
reoffending And escalating his violence.

For anyone who has access this is a grim reading but unfortunately it seems many traits fit CB

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213420304543

 

[Megnut]

That's why he should be incarcerated in a psychiatric hospital. He has already escalated from indecent exposure to contact sexual abuse and that was very quick, already in his teens. If you want you can look at articles that have been written about this. It is well known that there is often a trajectory which escalates to rape and sexual murder. Because the society is still behind in its laws and punishment for crimes of sexual nature against children and women does not in any way mean anything for the severity of his crimes nor about the existant danger of him
reoffending And escalating his violence.

100% agree.

How exactly would it be implemented? Who could initiate such a hold?

If he is released, no amount of vigilance can protect his next victim.

Advantage, predator.

JMO

 

[frank-cole]

To what end? Once released he can't just be arrested on the grounds that he might commit some crime.

You missed the points. He will reoffend. Cages aren’t as nice in developing countries. Locals will find out who he is very quickly. He’ll have to be mobile

 

[frank-cole]

That's why he should be incarcerated in a psychiatric hospital. He has already escalated from indecent exposure to contact sexual abuse and that was very quick, already in his teens. If you want you can look at articles that have been written about this. It is well known that there is often a trajectory which escalates to rape and sexual murder. Because the society is still behind in its laws and punishment for crimes of sexual nature against children and women does not in any way mean anything for the severity of his crimes nor about the existant danger of him
reoffending And escalating his violence.

For anyone who has access this is a grim reading but unfortunately it seems many traits fit CB

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213420304543

IMO this is well understood. The trick is to pretend it isn’t.

 

[Zuleika]

Exactly.

Walk right out with her.

Close the gate behind him.

Just a dad with a child.

Hardly a sight to notice.

Except it was everything but.

JMO

If it was on impulse that means he touched doors and a gate without gloves ? Having said that I don't think he would be up that street on impulse .What are the chances of someone out on the rob finding an open entrance and better still , given he's a paedophile , a child to take ?
If he took M he knew about the children being left alone is my guess . Thing is how would he have known a door had been left open just on that night? L

 

[Megnut]

If it was on impulse that means he touched doors and a gate without gloves ? Having said that I don't think he would be up that street on impulse .What are the chances of someone out on the rob finding an open entrance and better still , given he's a paedophile , a child to take ?
If he took M he knew about the children being left alone is my guess . Thing is how would he have known a door had been left open just on that night? L

Guessing he had no trouble picking locks. Getting in probably never phased him.

If he was in the habit of petty theft, gloves wouldn't surprise me.

JMO

 

[Denis R Tandib]

As someone who has serious doubts about CB's involvement with MM and the BKA's claims to the contrary, I'm nevertheless really disturbed by the downplaying on here of CB's known and grim criminal past. He's a child abuser, a sadistic convicted rapist, a man that has no holds barred in expressing the violence he'd like to inflict on those he sees as nothing more than outlets for his depravity.

Do better, those of you that claim you're coming from an objective 'trying to find the truth' place.

One side of the argument is CB is responsible for abducting and murdering MM - if it exists no proof to support this claim has been made available to the public.

To those who support this argument, trials that result in acquittals are brushed aside with claims that the real evidence was inadmissible, legally not guilty is not equivalent to factually innocent, or the judge was biased etc. You’ve read this on hundreds of posts.

Question any part of the narrative that CB is responsible for murdering MM and the vitriol is unleashed - name calling, ridicule, hatred is all on display… its unpleasant.

Dare to turn the argument around and make the point that perhaps a previous conviction wasn’t water-tight and further humiliation is dished out. It’s not an unreasonable suggestion given CB’s current defence lawyer has been critical of his previous counsel and has formally requested a retrial.

I haven’t downplayed CB’s criminal past, I have highlighted what it’s based on and then defended it. There is nothing wrong with this.

If your outrage compels you to reprimand people, can I please suggest some balance?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Over the last few pages, I’ve made posts to transition the forum back to sleuthing.

One was removed by the mods. Only @johnlair engaged with the others - thank you.

Perhaps I’m a mediocre sleuth but this indicates most people have little interest in amateur detective pursuits and are far more motivated in hammering home their opinions about something they cannot prove.

All the best with it.