Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[RichardKimble]

Yes. If news of a terrorist who has a history of wanting to seriously hurt children was given the all clear for release, how would people react? Would he be allowed to fly? Would people be online advocating for him & minimising his previous attacks?

A man who wants to sexually assault & harm children is as much a risk as that terrorist, if not slightly more.

So why the difference in behaviour & rhetoric?

It’s because that terrorist isn’t the sole prime suspect in the MM case.

Has there been any attempt to rehabilitate him? Is there such a programme in Germany? If not why not? Is their system designed in that ok you've payed your price to society, off you go, the only thing likely to extend his stay in prison is lack of money.

 

[frank-cole]

Has there been any attempt to rehabilitate him? Is there such a programme in Germany? If not why not? Is their system designed in that ok you've payed your price to society, off you go, the only thing likely to extend his stay in prison is lack of money.

Paedophiles are attracted to children - you can’t rehabilitate that. Does a sadist change their spots? Has CB stopped offending after any of his prison spells?

 

[frank-cole]

Paedophiles are attracted to children - you can’t rehabilitate that. Does a sadist change their spots? Has CB stopped offending after any of his prison spells?

As for terrorists known to have targeted & harmed children in the past - they’ll forever be a danger. Having worked in the desert I’ve seen the danger of terrorism. We’re all lucky to live sheltered existences in western democracies therefore the vast majority are insulated from the bad. Therefore far easier not to connect with those realities

 

[Davieson]

HCW confirmed the evidence results would be released.

In that case we'll just have to wait for his version of events - his truth

 

[frank-cole]

In that case we'll just have to wait for his version of events - his truth

I think the BKA’s investigation into a murdered toddler will be the truth.

 

[Anxala]

As someone who has serious doubts about CB's involvement with MM and the BKA's claims to the contrary, I'm nevertheless really disturbed by the downplaying on here of CB's known and grim criminal past. He's a child abuser, a sadistic convicted rapist, a man that has no holds barred in expressing the violence he'd like to inflict on those he sees as nothing more than outlets for his depravity.

Do better, those of you that claim you're coming from an objective 'trying to find the truth' place.

 

[Versus]

Unless he has a stash of cash somewhere, unlikely as he seems unable to pay a 'get out of jail'fine, he is likely to revert to petty crime in order to survive.
Indulging in abuse, child or adult, is likely to be low down on his list of priories.

I doubt it ould be a question of prioritising petty crime over committing child abuse, more a question of whether or when the opportunity presents itself to commit more crimes of this nature. He could for example run away to Cambodia or Thailand, resume his itinerant lifestyle, fall in with like-minded individuals and be presented with many more opportunities to pursue his depraved pursuits at leisure.

 

[Megnut]

What supports that?

That MM is no longer inside.

She got out somehow.

Door and window, on the short list.

While he may have opened the window as a back up point of egress, I very much doubt he exited that way, and with a child no less. That leaves the door, the obvious first choice IMO. Why would anyone leave any other way, with nothing stopping him?

With gloves and probably a cap and precious little time inside, it would be a surprise if there were any forensics to be found.

JMO

 

[Davieson]

I don't see that going on and on about his depravity achieves anything, other than forum weariness.

 

[Versus]

I don't see that going on and on about his depravity achieves anything, other than forum weariness.

I think it’s in reaction to the attempts to make out that his crimes aren’t that bad compared to abduction and murder, the illogical conclusion being that this means he’s unlikely to have committed these more serious crimes.

 

[LenaOdenthal]

Ok take d as abduction and murder, what crime in your category of a,b, and c leads to d?

Exposure. Increasingly being understood as a precursor to extremely serious crime. Libby Squire, Sarah Everard.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

I doubt it ould be a question of prioritising petty crime over committing child abuse, more a question of whether or when the opportunity presents itself to commit more crimes of this nature. He could for example run away to Cambodia or Thailand, resume his itinerant lifestyle, fall in with like-minded individuals and be presented with many more opportunities to pursue his depraved pursuits at leisure.

Doubts with the flights (if applicable). Unless he is extradited immediately and somehow supported. Or maybe he will remain in Europe.

 

[frank-cole]

I doubt it ould be a question of prioritising petty crime over committing child abuse, more a question of whether or when the opportunity presents itself to commit more crimes of this nature. He could for example run away to Cambodia or Thailand, resume his itinerant lifestyle, fall in with like-minded individuals and be presented with many more opportunities to pursue his depraved pursuits at leisure.

Richard Huckle is a prime example of CB could become.

CB’s weakness is his MO. He may be clever to not leave “traces” but he collects , he brags, he writes & he photographs. Eventually his confidence will rise & he’ll reoffend in similar ways - his undoing will be the far more digital world we live in now.
Information spreads quickly & things are discovered faster. If he gets caught abusing children in a developing country he’ll regret not confessing & remaining in German prison.

What happens when the locals of wherever he moves to realise who he is?

He’s not the president so I don’t imagine he’ll be protected for life

 

[Davieson]

Doubts with the flights (if applicable). Unless he is extradited immediately and somehow supported. Or maybe he will remain in Europe.

Perhaps there's an unground welfare movement to support paedophiles in need.

 

[Versus]

Perhaps there's an unground welfare movement to support paedophiles in need.

Weren’t people trying to raise money to pay his fines? Or was that just an unfounded rumour? Either way, CB does seem to enjoy some limited support, even pity from some of the comments I’ve read online.

 

[Zuleika]

By the way I consider the crimes he committed against children alone vile, despicable, heinous and predatory, never mind the actual rape. Consider the long lasting psychological and emotional impact such crimes can have on the victims.

Very often these men have been subjected to similar acts during their own childhood .
Similar to acts of physical cruelty by a parent on their own child , the former are purely sexual perversions acted out on their victims in adulthood .

 

[tedtink]

I already provided a response to that.

Without having read the report, I can’t say that I respect but the doctor is an expert. He works at a facility that rehabilitates male criminals with substance abuse issues. His report suggests that CB is in the top 2% of criminals compared with a sample of 1,000 other offenders.

As a headline, it’s bad but it depends on the background and offending patterns of the sample. I’m not trying to wriggle out of it, this is the right response. Academics are human, they have biases and this doctor was a prosecution witness… it would be good to see an independent review.

He is a 'Forensic' Psychiatrist, a specialist who works at the intersection between mental health and Law and will be duty bound by a professional body & code of ethics to give an objective assessment, free from personal bias and subjective opinions.

He has also co published papers on psychopathy and sexual crimes.

 

[frank-cole]

Weren’t people trying to raise money to pay his fines? Or was that just an unfounded rumour? Either way, CB does seem to enjoy some limited support, even pity from some of the comments I’ve read online.

Yes the gossip clubs were organising funding for him & the money is going through a well known troll. I know for a fact that tabloid journalists are very aware of these activities. I don’t think they will give it a platform though.

A troll’s kryptonite is having nothing to feed off.

 

[Zuleika]

Richard Huckle is a prime example of CB could become.

CB’s weakness is his MO. He may be clever to not leave “traces” but he collects , he brags, he writes & he photographs. Eventually his confidence will rise & he’ll reoffend in similar ways - his undoing will be the far more digital world we live in now.
Information spreads quickly & things are discovered faster. If he gets caught abusing children in a developing country he’ll regret not confessing & remaining in German prison.

What happens when the locals of wherever he moves to realise who he is?

He’s not the president so I don’t imagine he’ll be protected for life

CB has already been talking about what he’s going to do when he’s released which includes having facial surgery to alter his looks .

 

[Anxala]

I don't see that going on and on about his depravity achieves anything, other than forum weariness.

As denying his criminal history equally does. Equally tedious and reeking of the same lack of objectivity stench. And particularly when it veers towards the downplaying offensive, as it has done on this thread.

If an argument can't be made in CB's favour without needing to downplay his known criminal past, then it's really not an argument worth putting forward or engaging with.