Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[C.greek]

Doesn't answer all your questions .. but this article talks a bit about searches / evidence etc , and CB defence arguments ..

Christian Brueckner lawyers: Investigators illegally obtained evidence

German police were handed Brueckner's hard-drive by an unnamed female witness in Portugal containing sickening cartoons allegedly penned by Brueckner.

www.dailymail.co.uk

From your link :

In the oubox of the emails : they discovered that Brueckner had sent a multitude of files with obscene photos, ...
Moreover, it also included various versions of two stories, the 'Mother / Daughter' story, and the 'Zofen story'. The first deals with a mother and daughter who are captured, transported in a van to a farmhouse, tortured and brutally raped.

mention of a farmhouse!

Also according to this there is a third email with direct link to MM's investigation about which they didnt say anything more. And his defence were trying to say that since these are RTF files they cannot prove who the author is!

Also from the link : they were trying to throw out as evidence another hard disc that a woman gave to the BKA.

This is complete ploys and tactics. There is evidence - just not forensic. HCW was right from the beginning when he said if the public knew what they know, they would come to the same conclusion, that CB killed MM. such a shame if such illogical tactics do not provide justice for MM. Jmo

 

[Denis R Tandib]

From your link :

In the oubox of the emails : they discovered that Brueckner had sent a multitude of files with obscene photos, ...
Moreover, it also included various versions of two stories, the 'Mother / Daughter' story, and the 'Zofen story'. The first deals with a mother and daughter who are captured, transported in a van to a farmhouse, tortured and brutally raped.

mention of a farmhouse!

Also according to this there is a third email with direct link to MM's investigation about which they didnt say anything more. And his defence were trying to say that since these are RTF files they cannot prove who the author is!

Also from the link : they were trying to throw out as evidence another hard disc that a woman gave to the BKA.

This is complete ploys and tactics. There is evidence - just not forensic. HCW was right from the beginning when he said if the public knew what they know, they would come to the same conclusion, that CB killed MM. such a shame if such illogical tactics do not provide justice for MM. Jmo

The farmhouse is interesting. But then the story is about a mother and a daughter. I can’t be said that it’s biographical and about MM.

“they would come to the same conclusion, that CB killed MM.”

Do you have a direct quote on this? I ask because coming to a conclusion is different to for examples… “they would know for certain that CB killed MM.”

I am not suggesting that there is no evidence, I think there is. It’s what the evidence is and how many gaps they are trying to fill with assumptions that I am interested in trying to work out.

There must be large gaps or the case would have progressed to a charge.

 

[Lilly b]

From your link :

In the oubox of the emails : they discovered that Brueckner had sent a multitude of files with obscene photos, ...
Moreover, it also included various versions of two stories, the 'Mother / Daughter' story, and the 'Zofen story'. The first deals with a mother and daughter who are captured, transported in a van to a farmhouse, tortured and brutally raped.

mention of a farmhouse!

Also according to this there is a third email with direct link to MM's investigation about which they didnt say anything more. And his defence were trying to say that since these are RTF files they cannot prove who the author is!

Also from the link : they were trying to throw out as evidence another hard disc that a woman gave to the BKA.

This is complete ploys and tactics. There is evidence - just not forensic. HCW was right from the beginning when he said if the public knew what they know, they would come to the same conclusion, that CB killed MM. such a shame if such illogical tactics do not provide justice for MM. Jmo

From that then, can we conclude it's ok to use email account as they know it's his , and that would include the one about mm that we don't know the details of

 

[tedtink]

From that then, can we conclude it's ok to use email account as they know it's his , and that would include the one about mm that we don't know the details of

Well.......This quote from Jutta Rabe is telling, regarding a potential trial, IMO.

"Because it's not forensic evidence and as we see now, photos or documents, the court can dismiss, always, if you have a judge as the last time, in court, then every evidence which is not forensic is dismissed and if she is dismissing all the evidence, then he will always walk away as a free person."

It’s been said on this thread many times before that not only would the BKA try and get justice for HaB and the children, but these trials would potentially be able to test what kind of evidence would be admissible or accepted/ thrown out by a Judge. We now have the answer IMO.

(The Sun Documentary YT)

 

[Denis R Tandib]

From that then, can we conclude it's ok to use email account as they know it's his , and that would include the one about mm that we don't know the details of

During last year’s trial, it was reported that the prosecutors were unperturbed by the inadmissibility of the box factory evidence because most of it was - allegedly - duplicated on his email accounts. It was argued that the evidence from the email accounts had been secured legally.

 

[C.greek]

The farmhouse is interesting. But then the story is about a mother and a daughter. I can’t be said that it’s biographical and about MM.

“they would come to the same conclusion, that CB killed MM.”

Do you have a direct quote on this? I ask because coming to a conclusion is different to for examples… “they would know for certain that CB killed MM.”

I am not suggesting that there is no evidence, I think there is. It’s what the evidence is and how many gaps they are trying to fill with assumptions that I am interested in trying to work out.

There must be large gaps or the case would have progressed to a charge.

Wolters said: "If you knew the evidence we had you would come to the same conclusion as I do but I can't give you details because we don't want the accused to know what we have on him - these are tactical considerations." In 2020

Madeleine McCann: Public 'would reach same conclusion' on suspect

Prosecutor says if public "knew the evidence we had" they would think Madeleine McCann was killed.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[C.greek]

During last year’s trial, it was reported that the prosecutors were unperturbed by the inadmissibility of the box factory evidence because most of it was - allegedly - duplicated on his email accounts. It was argued that the evidence from the email accounts had been secured legally.

Indeed but seemingly from the link Trivento provided above the stories were in rtf and his defence argued these do not show who the author is so they cannot prove they were penned by CB.

 

[tedtink]

During last year’s trial, it was reported that the prosecutors were unperturbed by the inadmissibility of the box factory evidence because most of it was - allegedly - duplicated on his email accounts. It was argued that the evidence from the email accounts had been secured legally.

It was argued, yes, but some of it was able to be read out in court.

 

[Trivento]

At about 32.40 JC talks a bit about problems faced when trying to use same evidence sources more than one time in German system ..

 

[RichardKimble]

There is/was no forensics - they definitely have a link between MM and CB otherwise we wouldn't be here

But it's only likely imo to be documental, the issue then being how were the documents collated, who for instance wrote them if it's definitely CB was it just fantasies, take the e-mails did he actually act them out, this is why the searches happened, there is no direct forensic link to MM and as such if one wishes we'd still be here for another 18yrs.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Indeed but seemingly from the link Trivento provided above the stories were in rtf and his defence argued these do not show who the author is so they cannot prove they were penned by CB.

So they are word-processor documents. They can prove ownership but not authorship.

On what we know they only suggest paedo interests, not a clear link to MM.

 

[C.greek]

But it's only likely imo to be documental, the issue then being how were the documents collated, who for instance wrote them if it's definitely CB was it just fantasies, take the e-mails did he actually act them out, this is why the searches happened, there is no direct forensic link to MM and as such if one wishes we'd still be here for another 18yrs.

Yes that is his defence speaking. This is one of the reasons they cannot charge, they need more pieces of the puzzle. Jmo

 

[Denis R Tandib]

It was argued, yes, but some of it was able to be read out in court.

Yeah, I am agreeing that if they have a seperate source, then the prosecutors believe they are admissible.

 

[C.greek]

So they are word-processor documents. They can prove ownership but not authorship.

On what we know they only suggest paedo interests, not a clear link to MM.

We don't know the third one, which has according to the detective the link to MM.

 

[RichardKimble]

During last year’s trial, it was reported that the prosecutors were unperturbed by the inadmissibility of the box factory evidence because most of it was - allegedly - duplicated on his email accounts. It was argued that the evidence from the email accounts had been secured legally.

I guess then it could be argued an e-mail account could be hacked.CB or whom ever could write what they like with out the corroborating hard evidence it's an impasse.So why ones asks if theres evidence of child abuse images being on legally secured e-mails why doesn't he face charges, look at the source, it a journalist, this is what drives the MM case and CBs alleged link.Secret evidence that's in the public domain is no longer secret.that either suggests it's made up or the BKA are leaking like a sieve, pays your money takes your choice.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

We don't know the third one, which has according to the detective the link to MM.

Yes. I think that is the critical evidence they have that they believe brings CB and MM together.

If you try to profile the media releases, I think the correspondence is between CB and someone n the UK.

The searches may be part of a strategy to show the investigation is not going away… like they are trying to grind someone down. The stories about the mother and daughter were first made public around the time of the Arcade Adam search and now we have this release to The Sun.

It all seems like part of a comms strategy.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I guess then it could be argued an e-mail account could be hacked.CB or whom ever could write what they like with out the corroborating hard evidence it's an impasse.So why ones asks if theres evidence of child abuse images being on legally secured e-mails why doesn't he face charges, look at the source, it a journalist, this is what drives the MM case and CBs alleged link.Secret evidence that's in the public domain is no longer secret.that either suggests it's made up or the BKA are leaking like a sieve, pays your money takes your choice.

Given the prosecution’s current need to keep CB locked up, it’s hard to understand why he isn’t facing charges for CSA material - its a very good observation.

 

[RichardKimble]

At about 32.40 JC talks a bit about problems faced when trying to use same evidence sources more than one time in German system ..

JC say articles were sent to Germany for forensic analysis the Mirror quoted sources that the articles are to be tested in Portugal and the Germans are invited, who to believe?

 

[Mex]

My recollection is: guy’s dog goes onto the property and finds Charlie decaying, he alerts the policewoman, perhaps his partner, investigation finds CB crashed his van near where IG disappeared, he is then investigated for IG and a search warrant for the box factory is issued.

Thankyou for that succinct summation which seems to suggest that there is little to promote the notion that the evidence was found illegally.
Particularly if your timescale is correct with the discovery of the content of the dog's grave being the catalyst for the following event of the search warrant.

 

[Hexe]

Well the rest that they found there paints a horrid picture of CB - nothing to do with the tabloids

I don't deny he is a horrid person. I'm just trying to clear a misinformation created by the tabloids which tried to stitch him to many different cases, manipulating innocuous things (CB being in the area where he lived the day before Inga was missing) into something suspicious.

Do I think this man is disgusting and dangerous? Sure. Do I think he should be in prison? Of course. That, though, does not make spreading lies and misinfo right.