Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[RichardKimble]

Well, building a profile of someone so evil that fantasised about abducting and murdering a young girl- one who is capable of committing heinous crimes and has been convicted for some- I think does bring us closer to finding out what happened to MM, as horrible as this realisation is. Jmo

How close after 8 yrs of investigations after getting CBs name handed to them by OG is it thought they are?

 

[RichardKimble]

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it's lack of evidence that leads some including ex met detectives to question the BKA and the certainty they presented that CB was the one who did for MM.The options of what they have as concrete evidence decrease with each search imo.CB himself is quoted as saying there are no photos nothing to link him, HCW has said there are no forensics nor body.

 

[Megnut]

If.... if all that were missing from that unit, were cash and jewelry, would we be surprised if the thief got away without a trace?

If hotel guests were warned loudly not to leave valuables in their units because of an a rash of break-ins, might they have felt less secure about their rotations of check-ins? Was the hotel wary of making such pronouncements because they are counter-tourism?

Was CB in the area to burglarize? Easy money. Quintessential cat burglar. He knew all the tricks. Was he alerted to the presence of intermittently unattended children? Specific children?

Weak example but if in staying at a fault friendly resort and feel safe, I'm leaving my shades open. If the hotel warns me upon arrival of a peeping Tom, I'm shutting my blinds. If I learn about peeping Toms while I'm planning my vacation, I stay somewhere else.

I think the parents had a false sense of security. Like trusting a baby monitor but not realizing it went offline. Checking every 30 minutes wasn't to keep predators away. It was to maintain their sense of security, and it was working. They were extending their adult time, the children stayed asleep, not every parent would choose that but it seemed acceptable to them.

Unfortunately 30 minutes is forever if danger is standing in the shadows.

Could he have opened the window, back up escape insurance, then come in through the door, encountering MM awake or asleep? Easy enough to convince her she's safe, come with me, I know where your mommy and daddy are.

How long would it have taken him to walk off with wallets and baubles? Virtually no time at all. And run with a child? Fast movement draws attention. Walk with purpose, as if you belong there. Which IMO is exactly what was witnessed.

If not MM, how many units might he have hit up that night? Instead he finds MM and disappears into the night, as if he merely collected rich peoples monetary valuables...

I don't think he needed to use any solvent/chloroform at the unit. MM wouldn't have known she was in danger. He's wily.

Back at his vehicle, however, is another story. I think he traveled with her possibly for days, even with his underage "girlfriend", in the vehicle, entirely unaware. He's wily.

Kept MM hidden and perhaps drugged, until he could be alone with her. Where the real nightmare started.

Where's my evidence? Where is there even evidence of a break in, minus the missing child? That doesn't mean he didn't do it; it just means he left no trace. They'd equally no evidence someone else did it.

And CB was likely in the area. Had a history of theft, a history of sex crimes and a purported desire to do exactly such a thing. He had the means, the motive.... as well, the skill to avoid detection. That makes him a HUGE POI. He's wily.

And even now, I don't think he's professing any kind of innocence because he's innocent. No, I think he enjoys the game. Taunting.

I believe LE has evidence he's responsible, she's no longer alive and she died at the hands CB. Where's the evidence? I think it's evidence they can't use, spoilt fruits and all.

Doesn't mean he didn't do it. Just means he remains their one and only SOLID POI.

And he's dodging fate.

Wily.

JMO

 

[JennieM]

If.... if all that were missing from that unit, were cash and jewelry, would we be surprised if the thief got away without a trace?

If hotel guests were warned loudly not to leave valuables in their units because of an a rash of break-ins, might they have felt less secure about their rotations of check-ins? Was the hotel wary of making such pronouncements because they are counter-tourism?

Was CB in the area to burglarize? Easy money. Quintessential cat burglar. He knew all the tricks. Was he alerted to the presence of intermittently unattended children? Specific children?

Weak example but if in staying at a fault friendly resort and feel safe, I'm leaving my shades open. If the hotel warns me upon arrival of a peeping Tom, I'm shutting my blinds. If I learn about peeping Toms while I'm planning my vacation, I stay somewhere else.

I think the parents had a false sense of security. Like trusting a baby monitor but not realizing it went offline. Checking every 30 minutes wasn't to keep predators away. It was to maintain their sense of security, and it was working. They were extending their adult time, the children stayed asleep, not every parent would choose that but it seemed acceptable to them.

Unfortunately 30 minutes is forever if danger is standing in the shadows.

Could he have opened the window, back up escape insurance, then come in through the door, encountering MM awake or asleep? Easy enough to convince her she's safe, come with me, I know where your mommy and daddy are.

How long would it have taken him to walk off with wallets and baubles? Virtually no time at all. And run with a child? Fast movement draws attention. Walk with purpose, as if you belong there. Which IMO is exactly what was witnessed.

If not MM, how many units might he have hit up that night? Instead he finds MM and disappears into the night, as if he merely collected rich peoples monetary valuables...

I don't think he needed to use any solvent/chloroform at the unit. MM wouldn't have known she was in danger. He's wily.

Back at his vehicle, however, is another story. I think he traveled with her possibly for days, even with his underage "girlfriend", in the vehicle, entirely unaware. He's wily.

Kept MM hidden and perhaps drugged, until he could be alone with her. Where the real nightmare started.

Where's my evidence? Where is there even evidence of a break in, minus the missing child? That doesn't mean he didn't do it; it just means he left no trace. They'd equally no evidence someone else did it.

And CB was likely in the area. Had a history of theft, a history of sex crimes and a purported desire to do exactly such a thing. He had the means, the motive.... as well, the skill to avoid detection. That makes him a HUGE POI. He's wily.

And even now, I don't think he's professing any kind of innocence because he's innocent. No, I think he enjoys the game. Taunting.

I believe LE has evidence he's responsible, she's no longer alive and she died at the hands CB. Where's the evidence? I think it's evidence they can't use, spoilt fruits and all.

Doesn't mean he didn't do it. Just means he remains their one and only SOLID POI.

And he's dodging fate.

Wily.

JMO

The children didn’t stay asleep, Madeleine woke up crying at night.

Maddie "left crying" by her parents

Madeleine McCann asked her parents why they did not come into her room when the children were crying the night before she disappeared, leaked statements to Portuguese police have revealed.

www.reuters.com

ETA link.

 

[Megnut]

The children didn’t stay asleep, Madeleine woke up crying at night.

All the more likely she was taken without a peep. Mite didn't know she was being abducted, probably thought he was nice.

IMO CB took advantage of the parents being at dinner. If he had a spotter, all the more confident he was, but IMO he was opportunistic and motivated, he could have taken while he parents were in the unit, asleep. It happens.

JMO

 

[C.greek]

The children didn’t stay asleep, Madeleine woke up crying at night.

Maddie "left crying" by her parents

Madeleine McCann asked her parents why they did not come into her room when the children were crying the night before she disappeared, leaked statements to Portuguese police have revealed.

www.reuters.com

ETA link.

Yes that is most probably why they were checking every 30 mins and why I think with the new evidence from the documentary and his car that he used some kind of chemicals to drug her. I don't think it was any coincidence he kept such chemicals in his car nor that he close and made a phone call lasting 30 min

 

[Zuleika]

Yes that is most probably why they were checking every 30 mins and why I think with the new evidence from the documentary and his car that he used some kind of chemicals to drug her. I don't think it was any coincidence he kept such chemicals in his car nor that he close and made a phone call lasting 30 min

Kate Healy McCann was adamant there waa no smell of chemicals in the room .

 

[Megnut]

I suggested that MM might have gone quietly with CB, unaware she was being abducted.

Valid opinion.

JMO

 

[Davieson]

Does a child of 3 understand the concept of abduction ?

 

[johnlair]

Does a child of 3 understand the concept of abduction ?

Not if the abductor says he works there and lets go and find your mum and dad

 

[Megnut]

Does a child of 3 understand the concept of abduction ?

A three year old most certainly understands fear... how they react to it, wildly variable IMO.

If he yanked her by the arm, injuring her, told her he was taking her away from her family, well, that's one kind of abduction.

I don't think he did that. I think he tricked her. So she went with him obediently.

If he drugged her, IMO it wasn't into he reached his vehicle.

Just because there aren't a lot of details and little evidence to go on doesn't mean he didn't do it.

It just means he's clever. Clever and careful.

JMO

 

[RichardKimble]

A three year old most certainly understands fear... how they react to it, wildly variable IMO.

If he yanked her by the arm, injuring her, told her he was taking her away from her family, well, that's one kind of abduction.

I don't think he did that. I think he tricked her. So she went with him obediently.

If he drugged her, IMO it wasn't into he reached his vehicle.

Just because there aren't a lot of details and little evidence to go on doesn't mean he didn't do it.

It just means he's clever. Clever and careful.

JMO

Yet his string of convictions suggests anything but clever and careful.

 

[Megnut]

Yet his string of convictions suggests anything but clever and careful.

Clever and careful enough, not to be caught IMO far more than he has been.

Clever is a long way from brilliant, which he's not. I wouldn't even call him smart. He's evasive. None of my words for him are compliments.

JMO

 

[Davieson]

A three year old most certainly understands fear... how they react to it, wildly variable IMO.

If he yanked her by the arm, injuring her, told her he was taking her away from her family, well, that's one kind of abduction.

I don't think he did that. I think he tricked her. So she went with him obediently.

If he drugged her, IMO it wasn't into he reached his vehicle.

Just because there aren't a lot of details and little evidence to go on doesn't mean he didn't do it.

It just means he's clever. Clever and careful.

JMO

Of course it doesn't, but that's not how the law works.
Actual evidence is required for a conviction, not just that someone thinks he could have done it, so he must have done it.
I've yet to see any evidence that there was an abduction by anyone.

 

[tedtink]

A three year old most certainly understands fear... how they react to it, wildly variable IMO.

If he yanked her by the arm, injuring her, told her he was taking her away from her family, well, that's one kind of abduction.

I don't think he did that. I think he tricked her. So she went with him obediently.

If he drugged her, IMO it wasn't into he reached his vehicle.

Just because there aren't a lot of details and little evidence to go on doesn't mean he didn't do it.

It just means he's clever. Clever and careful.

JMO

Clever, careful.....and perhaps lucky, for him, that LE were so shockingly lapse on the Algarve?
He managed to break into goodness knows how many apartments, including breaking into a girls room whilst naked without getting caught. 500 passports, that's a lot of individual homes/rooms burgled imo

Madeleine McCann investigation could suffer setback as a key witness is 'dying from cancer'

Main suspect Christian B is currently on trial for unrelated sex crimes - three rapes and two sex assaults - which he denies.

news.sky.com

 

[Versus]

Of course it doesn't, but that's not how the law works.
Actual evidence is required for a conviction, not just that someone thinks he could have done it, so he must have done it.
I've yet to see any evidence that there was an abduction by anyone.

You wouldn’t be saying that there was no evidence of a robbery if instead of a child it had been passports and jewelry taken from the unlocked ground floor apartment with a window found open that had been left closed.

 

[Davieson]

I see the Independent has a somewhat pessamistic report on this week's search.

Is this the end of the road in the hunt for Madeleine McCann? How new search unfolded

After a three-day search effort draws to a close without any sign of a breakthrough, crime correspondent Amy-Clare Martin reports from Praia da Luz on the latest attempt to give the McCann family answers

www.independent.co.uk

 

[C.greek]

I see the Independent has a somewhat pessamistic report on this week's search.

Is this the end of the road in the hunt for Madeleine McCann? How new search unfolded

After a three-day search effort draws to a close without any sign of a breakthrough, crime correspondent Amy-Clare Martin reports from Praia da Luz on the latest attempt to give the McCann family answers

www.independent.co.uk

it doesn't really say much, does it? No Intel, no sources nothing. It beggars belief why reporters write such pieces where they say nothing, not even a recap of events unfolding. How many Wells did they drain, how many acres did they search, where did they use the georadar, what was the initial plan, and how many derelict buildings did they search - and what exactly did they do there? Just scoped the area after they cleared it? Sorry but this is no reporting!

 

[Davieson]

You wouldn’t be saying that there was no evidence of a robbery if instead of a child it had been passports and jewelry taken from the unlocked ground floor apartment with a window found open that had been left closed.

There's evidence she is missing, nothing else.

 

[Versus]

it doesn't really say much, does it? No Intel, no sources nothing. It beggars belief why reporters write such pieces where they say nothing, not even a recap of events unfolding. How many Wells did they drain, how many acres did they search, where did they use the georadar, what was the initial plan, and how many derelict buildings did they search - and what exactly did they do there? Just scoped the area after they cleared it? Sorry but this is no reporting!

I feel like I have read the same article in half a dozen different publications already in the last 48 hours.