Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[Denis R Tandib]

I meant, more about the time frame and other people, not the type of dogs, sorry if I wasn't clear enough with what I said

Discussions about MG’s dogs are always based people’s position on what happened.

When I watch the videos, I see incredibly well-trained dogs clearly alerting to blood and cadaverine. Where Keela alerted to blood, blood was found. On further reading, both for and against, IMO, it’s almost certain they could pick up these scents months or even years after they were laid. I believe they traced blood and cadaver scents in the locations detailed in the files.

This doesn’t mean the scents were MM’s just that those scents were present - beyond doubt for me but other people think differently.

Therefore, either the dogs are entirely discounted, their evidence is meaningless. Alternatively, the dogs did track MM’s scent and CB or some other abductor was responsible and a scenario is developed whereby MM was killed in 5A and the scents left there. Finally, the dog’s evidence is believed and some other explanation of what happened to MM is considered.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Thinking aloud about my own question from earlier post here .
The Sun report of saying scent lost at church car park is either a mistake / mis-info ( quite possible ) ..
.. or could it be new info they were told by an informed source ?

Some info in their recent doc ( eg. car / CB images etc ) appears to have been fed to them by Prosecutors / BKA … so info about dog scent location possibly also ?
Or from another source ?
If Smithman sighting was indeed MM , then a scent from church car park seems plausible , as fairly close-by .. imo
Perhaps MM then moved on from that vicinity by a car / van that was in church car park , or near there ?

What’s the time on this?

 

[Trivento]

What’s the time on this?

As per my earlier post ( #707) 20.10
( Sun " Inside Secret Evidence " YT )
Is link there ..

 

[Denis R Tandib]

It seems those in the media and elsewhere that are committed to the BKA's narrative will continue to view everything CB through the fixed, immovable lens of him being guilty of MM's abduction and murder, regardless of and despite the veracity and viability of the 'links' the media continues to push. It reeks of a mix of sensationalism, desperation to keep the narrative going and £££ clickbait.

I don't doubt that the BKA believes that what it has in relation to MM points to CB but I can't be doing with reporting that's so lacking in balance and objectivity.

I really question the media commitment and wonder what exactly it is that's driving it in the absence of facts.

It looks to me like there is lots of back scratching going on.

As it’s portrayed, HCW has the inside knowledge on the world’s biggest mystery. He grants exclusives to those outlets that reach his target audience and align their stories to his strategy.

We end up with lots of lurid content with hardly any substance. What we do get hardly ever has anything to do with MM.

this is very telling for the case IMO - it’s not as well formed as many people think.

 

[Mex]

Discussions about MG’s dogs are always based people’s position on what happened.

When I watch the videos, I see incredibly well-trained dogs clearly alerting to blood and cadaverine. Where Keela alerted to blood, blood was found. On further reading, both for and against, IMO, it’s almost certain they could pick up these scents months or even years after they were laid. I believe they traced blood and cadaver scents in the locations detailed in the files.

This doesn’t mean the scents were MM’s just that those scents were present - beyond doubt for me but other people think differently.

Therefore, either the dogs are entirely discounted, their evidence is meaningless. Alternatively, the dogs did track MM’s scent and CB or some other abductor was responsible and a scenario is developed whereby MM was killed in 5A and the scents left there. Finally, the dog’s evidence is believed and some other explanation of what happened to MM is considered.

'The dogs' did not provide evidence.
Their function was to indicate where evidence might be found which could then be forensically examined. But as far as their exercise in Luz is concerned their value lay in their failure to find any evidence meant that there was none to be found, thus clearing the area to allow a move to another search area.
Indeed the German police searches seem to suggest the dogs had been tasked with searching in the wrong location as there seems to be plenty of interest centred around areas associated with CB, who is the suspect in the crime.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

As per my earlier post ( #707) 20.10
( Sun " Inside Secret Evidence " YT )
Is link there ..

Sorry, I’ll take a look later.

 

[Mex]

It looks to me like there is lots of back scratching going on.

As it’s portrayed, HCW has the inside knowledge on the world’s biggest mystery. He grants exclusives to those outlets that reach his target audience and align their stories to his strategy.

We end up with lots of lurid content with hardly any substance. What we do get hardly ever has anything to do with MM.

this is very telling for the case IMO - it’s not as well formed as many people think.

I have to agree with you that prosecutors have the inside knowledge on the cases they are building against a suspect. One would be concerned if they didn't.

In the MM case they and the BKA are to be congratulated on their discretion and running a very tight ship. I can’t really think of any unofficial leaks emanating from them. Which can only be good as we hopefully draw closer to an arraignment.

No doubt prosecutors have their strategies. As do defence lawyers. It is just the system.

 

[RichardKimble]

Thinking aloud about my own question from earlier post here .
The Sun report of saying scent lost at church car park is either a mistake / mis-info ( quite possible ) ..
.. or could it be new info they were told by an informed source ?

Some info in their recent doc ( eg. car / CB images etc ) appears to have been fed to them by Prosecutors / BKA … so info about dog scent location possibly also ?
Or from another source ?
If Smithman sighting was indeed MM , then a scent from church car park seems plausible , as fairly close-by .. imo
Perhaps MM then moved on from that vicinity by a car / van that was in church car park , or near there ?

The info about the dogs is all in the original PJ files, there are some that question the translations the originals are there in Portuguese for those that wish to translate.OG went to great expense to have them translated, there's nothing new about dogs.Smithman according to OG in 2014 was carrying a child matching a description close to that of MM, this sighting imo has always been the key.

McCann PJ files

 

[JB1510]

EXCLUSIVE: Guns found during Madeleine McCann search in Praia da Luz in Portugal - Olive Press News Spain

By Jon Clarke in Praia da Luz DETECTIVES searching for remains of missing Madeleine McCann found two buried guns in Portugal last week. The Olive Press

www.theolivepress.es

This is the article - I posted it #604 a few days ago. It’s the last search.

“The Olive Press can reveal that the firearms have now been sent back to Germany for analysis, as well as various bones and clothing.”

You’re replying to the wrong person , my response was to @RichardKimble

 

[Denis R Tandib]

As per my earlier post ( #707) 20.10
( Sun " Inside Secret Evidence " YT )
Is link there ..

I think it’s misreported. These GNR dogs lost the scent in the car park opposite the OC.

I can’t see how these dogs picking up MM’s scent in the resort she was staying in and then losing the scent just outside means anything.

Where they lost the scent is east of the OC and the Smithman sighting is south west. Unless I’ve got it wrong - or there were other tracking dogs I don’t know about (both possible), I can’t see how the GNR dogs are connected to Smithman.

 

[RichardKimble]

I think it’s misreported. These GNR dogs lost the scent in the car park opposite the OC.

I can’t see how these dogs picking up MM’s scent in the resort she was staying in and then losing the scent just outside means anything.

Where they lost the scent is east of the OC and the Smithman sighting is south west. Unless I’ve got it wrong - or there were other tracking dogs I don’t know about (both possible), I can’t see how the GNR dogs are connected to Smithman.

Secret evidence seen by the sun is all you need know.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Secret evidence seen by the sun is all you need know.

You’re probably right!

Two new pieces of info: chemicals in car boot and scar image. There is something NQR about the way both were presented.

 

[RichardKimble]

You’re probably right!

Two new pieces of info: chemicals in car boot and scar image. There is something NQR about the way both were presented.

The chemicals are part of a narrative, if you want CB to be the one then he will be, now if the BKA are leaking then it's showing imo their theory knowing it's not ever going to reach a court.I suppose the alleged scar is part of their reasoning specifically in one charge knowing that can't be used, illegal search!

 

[Mex]

The chemicals are part of a narrative, if you want CB to be the one then he will be, now if the BKA are leaking then it's showing imo their theory knowing it's not ever going to reach a court.I suppose the alleged scar is part of their reasoning specifically in one charge knowing that can't be used, illegal search!

We have seen the chemicals in the documentary. And that would appear to be that.
But although having easy access to drugs of all types both as a dealer and a user I don't know if use of drugs to overpower victims fits CB's MO

They don't feature in the aggravated rape of DM.
Nor do they feature in charges against him for the beach assault on the German minor. Although he was close enough to take hold of her wrist,
There is no evidence drugs were a feature in his illegal naked exhibitionism in front of the children in close proximity in the playground.

So no evidence of drugs except for the moment in a tabloid documentary.

There is no evidence that drugs played any part in MM's disappearance. Plenty of ill informed supposition. But, fitting CB's MO, no evidence of the use in the field.
Later on, who knows.
My opinion

 

[RichardKimble]

The info about the dogs is all in the original PJ files, there are some that question the translations the originals are there in Portuguese for those that wish to translate.OG went to great expense to have them translated, there's nothing new about dogs.Smithman according to OG in 2014 was carrying a child matching a description close to that of MM, this sighting imo has always been the key.

McCann PJ files

Further to the Smith sighting the witness had this to say in June 2020.

Madeleine McCann case: Key Irish witness in investigation 'doesn't recognise' new suspect

A KEY Irish witness who believes he may have seen Madeleine McCann being carried away on the night of her disappearance has said he ‘does not recognise’ new suspect Christian Brueckner as the man he saw carrying her.

www.independent.ie

 

[C.greek]

The chemicals are part of a narrative, if you want CB to be the one then he will be, now if the BKA are leaking then it's showing imo their theory knowing it's not ever going to reach a court.I suppose the alleged scar is part of their reasoning specifically in one charge knowing that can't be used, illegal search!

It's not a matter of "if you want CB to be the one". I think it's the opposite direction. They found evidence that CB is the culprit, then they tried to find evidence against him being the culprit. They didn't find anything to exonerate him, so they are keeping on trying to find more incriminating evidence.

 

[Pixie Child]

When they searched the Arade dam, they were looking for his gun & camcorder. Busching & Seyferth were said to have thrown them in the dam.

Finding a gun might bolster Busching & Seyferth but they need the camcorder!

New search in Madeleine McCann case sought out gun, camcorder video evidence

Recently, investigators in the 16-year mystery of missing British tot were reportedly looking for a gun and camcorder that belonged to the prime suspect.

nypost.com

 

[RichardKimble]

Mirror reporter.

Failings over search for missing Madeleine McCann as cops in race against time

Investigators vowed to the Mirror in 2021 that Christian Brueckner would be charged in months, but four years later they are still searching for evidence as his release date looms

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Trivento]

Following on from earlier discussion , about The Sun saying scent dogs also followed an MM trail to church ( see post #707 ) , I did find this after some browsing .
Not sure if the original news article , that included the map , still available , but perhaps there is something to what The Sun said after all ?

CADAVER DOGS & SEARCHING

Photo below found on page of above link .