Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[C.greek]

Sure they were. But no official ever stepped out and said "All the possibilities except the abduction got excluded". Therefore we can theorise about Maddie being abducted but we should not claim it as fact.

She is missing and they have a suspect responsible for her demise. Why does it matter how she could have fallen in his hands I don't understand.

 

[RichardKimble]

She is missing and they have a suspect responsible for her demise. Why does it matter how she could have fallen in his hands I don't understand.

"Suspect "being the qualifying word, if or until he's taken to trial and found guilty there are other possibilities.

 

[Davieson]

She is missing and they have a suspect responsible for her demise. Why does it matter how she could have fallen in his hands I don't understand.

Much will depend on what actual evidence they have, but I'd have thought that demonstrating how the 'opportunity' came about was crucial.
I'm sure the judges will want to know.

 

[Davieson]

She is missing and they have a suspect responsible for her demise. Why does it matter how she could have fallen in his hands I don't understand.

No, they have a suspect whom they THINK is responsible for her demise.
Not quite the same thing.

 

[Mex]

Sure they were. But no official ever stepped out and said "All the possibilities except the abduction got excluded". Therefore we can theorise about Maddie being abducted but we should not claim it as fact.

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At the time in question there was public ignorance that there was a sexual predator on the loose on the Algarve.
He has never been traced.

Moving on to the relevance of today, a sexual predator/home invader who is still doing jail time for perpetrating an horrific aggravated rape in a villa in close proximity to the scene of MM's abduction.

In quite extraordinary circumstances the continued search for MM led to the 2005 rape in Luz was solved.
The perpetrator was undoubtedly CB.

Further investigation led to German prosecutors identifying CB as their prime suspect in the disappearance of MM.

Now is probably the time to look to the future, ignore mistakes and misconceptions of the internet age and allow the German penal system to follow its course to the end, whatever that may be
My opinion

 

[Hexe]

She is missing and they have a suspect responsible for her demise. Why does it matter how she could have fallen in his hands I don't understand.

Nothing has been proven yet.

 

[Mex]

Much will depend on what actual evidence they have, but I'd have thought that demonstrating how the 'opportunity' came about was crucial.
I'm sure the judges will want to know.

I think your final assumption is correct but there is dichotomy in thinking the German prosecutors should play fast and loose with what could be sensitive evidence is a non starter. And rightly so.
My opinion

 

[frank-cole]

You have CT's statement quoted in this thread a couple of posts above. Show me where does she mention pockmarked face in her description of the man she saw.

Anyway, there was never an official identification of CB as the prowler, so we cannot state as a fact it was him.

Correct. One cannot state as a fact the eye witness accounts were a particular person, although one can point out a distinguishable characteristic.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

At the time in question there was public ignorance that there was a sexual predator on the loose on the Algarve.
He has never been traced.

There are sexual predators literally everywhere. If you live in Bradford, Oldham or a number of other towns or cities across England, paedophile rapists are quite common - certainly if the statistics and Baroness Casey are to be believed.

This truth established, only crimes similar to what is alleged in relation to MM should be considered.

Now, how many tourist infants were abducted in the Algarve say ten years either side of 2007? How many tourist infants suffered an attempted abduction? How many tourist infants were murdered over the same time period.

The suggestion that there was a sexual prowler on the loose and that this means something in relation to MM is illogical.

 

[Chiatos]

Was it proven she did not wander away? Were all other possibilities excluded? Haven't heard about that.

MM was not found back in any street of PDL. Is that proof enough to you? She was GONE.

 

[Davieson]

That says nothing about the manner of her disappearance.

 

[Mex]

Correct. One cannot state as a fact the eye witness accounts were a particular person, although one can point out a distinguishable characteristic.

Depends on all sorts of things. Perhaps even personal prejudice to age of witness etc.
There were various sightings in Luz from which a trained person can separate the wheat from the chaff.

From the CT interview there was agreement such as hairline etc and disagreement such as the shape of the nose etc.
All maybe not an exact science for us but there are experts for whom it is.
My opinion

 

[Denis R Tandib]

MM was not found back in any street of PDL. Is that proof enough to you? She was GONE.

Gone is not synonymous with abducted. Children disappear but only a very small percentage are abducted by strangers. This is an important reason to not believe CB was the abductor until its proven he is.

 

[Chiatos]

Let's see, how many ways are there for a very young child to disappear from her bed;
1. she wanders away -> and will be found in the streets of PDL. It's cosy PDL, you know. Not the alpine forests.
2. someone snatches her (either from the room or from the street after she would have wandered away(!)) and makes her disappear.

Obviously option 1 can be ruled out. Option 2 remains.

What is being debated here, is who would have taken her away (either from the room or from the street) and would have made her disappear?

Here too there are two options: someone near to MM or someone not near to MM.

Those near to MM have been extensively investigated and they have been ruled out. As far as anyone not near to MM is concerned, it so happens that the current suspect ticks all the boxes. And he can be placed in the vicinity of the room at the very time MM went missing. Wow.

 

[Davieson]

A person can only be abducted or kidnapped if they are alive. They have to be taken against their will.
So if for example, MM had wandered and been killed due to a RTA and the body subsequently removed, that is not abduction.

Police will need to prove that MM was alive when she was removed from inside or outside 5A and that she died sometime later.

 

[Mex]

That says nothing about the manner of her disappearance.

If a witness saw a man carrying a large screened TV on the street at night immediately outside the residence from which a large screen TV was later found to have disappeared, one doubts there would be any mystery regarding the course of events.

Similarly if the event did not feature a TV but a child - it is self explanatory what had happened.
The bottom line is that a witness did see a man carrying a child away from the direction of an apartment from which a child vanished.

If the witness had been just a minute earlier she would have walked into him and the child he carried right outside the premises from which the child had been removed.
My opinion

 

[Chiatos]

A person can only be abducted or kidnapped if they are alive. They have to be taken against their will.
So if for example, MM had wandered and been killed due to a RTA and the body subsequently removed, that is not abduction.

Oh well, and why has no one in the cosy streets of PDL witnessed such a severe RTA in which a young child would have been the victim?

Besides, making a body disappear, a child's body, is punishable by law too.

 

[Davieson]

Oh well, and why has no one in the cosy streets of PDL witnessed such a severe RTA in which a young child would have been the victim?

Besides, making a body disappear, a child's body, is punishable by law too.

Indeed it is, but its not abduction, something more akin to illegally removing a body

Nobody witnessed an abduction either, unless you consider Smithman to be gulity and even then it might have been a dead body.

 

[Lilly b]

There are sexual predators literally everywhere. If you live in Bradford, Oldham or a number of other towns or cities across England, paedophile rapists are quite common - certainly if the statistics and Baroness Casey are to be believed.

This truth established, only crimes similar to what is alleged in relation to MM should be considered.

Now, how many tourist infants were abducted in the Algarve say ten years either side of 2007? How many tourist infants suffered an attempted abduction? How many tourist infants were murdered over the same time period.

The suggestion that there was a sexual prowler on the loose and that this means something in relation to MM is illogical.

What about the little blonde boy, and if course Joanna, her body was never found

 

[Chiatos]

Nobody witnessed an abduction either

That's because abductions are carried out in secret, the abductor wants to remain unseen.
Causing an RTA is an accidental event. How many witnesses have been heard about things going on in the streets the evening that MM went missing? How many have mentioned seeing an RTA happen in the cosy streets of PDL?