Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[RichardKimble]

news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-suspect-wont-face-charges-for-foreseeable-future-prosecutor-tells-sky-news-13290205



HCW said it January this year.

Exactly like I said a few posts ago more talk of release than charges.

 

[frank-cole]

I am not talking about evidence of crime, but about evidence of guilt.

I wasn’t though. Interesting switch. OJ Simpson was found not guilty but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t evidence he committed the crime. Same may apply with CB & the MM case.

 

[frank-cole]

Exactly like I said a few posts ago more talk of release than charges.

That’ll be a record that will keep replaying up until released or charged. Will he won’t he.

 

[RichardKimble]

I don’t think so. But, if I recall correctly, people ran them off the cigarette lighter and kept them on much of the time.

It’s important to note that this device is not specifically designed for use in a car, it’s more general purpose i.e. hiking, hunting etc. I think CB grew up near the Black Forest, hunting might explain the guns, cruelty etc. Just a thought.

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Battery Life18h
Display Type256 Color LCD Tft Display
Number of Channels12 Channels
Trip CalculatorTotal Average, Time of Sunrise/Sunset, Elevation Computer, Trip Timers, Track Log, Points-Of-Interest (Poi), Maximum Speed, Odometer, Current Speed, Moving Average, Route Recalculation
Waas Position Accuracy< 16ft.
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Accuisition Time-Initial Time1 Sec
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Marine FeaturesMob (Man over Board), Fishing Calcluator
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[frank-cole]

Whatever happened to MM occurred more than a lifetime ago in 2007.
It is not unreasonable that it takes time to gather evidence for the trial of a classic 'stranger danger' offence. Particularly when there is delay in ensuring everyone's rights are respected such as jurisdiction.
My opinion

Yes. Would be a lot of easier if it was like a 1 hour episode a crime drama. What we watch on TV is not how reality works. They’re trying to investigate very old PJ failed cold cases. A very challenging task.

 

[frank-cole]

I don’t think so. But, if I recall correctly, people ran them off the cigarette lighter and kept them on much of the time.

It’s important to note that this device is not specifically designed for use in a car, it’s more general purpose i.e. hiking, hunting etc. I think CB grew up near the Black Forest, hunting might explain the guns, cruelty etc. Just a thought.

Close range fire with those guns. Bigger guns for hunting.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Yes. Would be a lot of easier if it was like a 1 hour episode a crime drama. What we watch on TV is not how reality works. They’re trying to investigate very old PJ failed cold cases. A very challenging task.

That’s not entirely true. The BKA’s case is centred around CB who had no inclusion n any part of the PJ’s case.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Why would BKA be interested in previous data on a device before March 2007? If it contains the Malaga data and according to later movements, with other supporting evidence, one could infer he kept the device.

Yeah, to CB it was a valuable item. I think it’s a reasonable assumption that if he had it in April; he had it in May.

 

[RichardKimble]

That’s not entirely true. The BKA’s case is centred around CB who had no inclusion n any part of the PJ’s case.

Funny how the phone data comes from the alleged pj failure.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

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About this product​

Product Information​

The Garmin GPSMAP 60CSx GPS receiver, with increased sensitivity, gives a strong satellite reception, irrespective of the presence of a fog or dense tree cover. Having an electronic compass, this Garmin GPS receiver tells the direction you are moving towards. The IPX7 waterproof case of this Garmin GPS device safeguards the system from accidental spills, significantly insulating it against wear and tear. The large color TFT screen of this Garmin GPS receiver gives a clear display of your intended direction, without you having to squint. Drive worry-free anywhere in America, as this Garmin GPS device is integrated with US’s auto-route basemap. A 64 MB microSD card slot in the Garmin GPSMAP 60CSx lets you load maps of different areas for improved guidance.

Product Identifiers​

BrandGarmin
MPN010-00422-00
UPC0753759049126
ModelGPSMAP 60CSx
eBay Product ID (ePID)78389307

Product Key Features​

Unit SizeNot Applicable
FeaturesCalender, Geocaching Mode, Built-In Altimeter, Waypoint Icons, Built-In Barometer, Compass
Screen Size2.6"
TypeHandheld/Outdoors

Dimensions​

Weight0.46lbs.
Depth1.3in
Height6.1in
Width2.4in

Additional Product Features​

Battery Type and Quantity2X AA Batteries
Environmental ProtectionIpx7 Waterproof Standard
Battery Life18h
Display Type256 Color LCD Tft Display
Number of Channels12 Channels
Trip CalculatorTotal Average, Time of Sunrise/Sunset, Elevation Computer, Trip Timers, Track Log, Points-Of-Interest (Poi), Maximum Speed, Odometer, Current Speed, Moving Average, Route Recalculation
Waas Position Accuracy< 16ft.
User InterfaceKeypad
Antenna TypeExternal Antenna Hook Up, Quadrifilar Helix
Accuisition Time-Initial Time1 Sec
Map CapabilitiesDownload Maps, Internal, Map Cartridges / Data Cards
Expansion Slot TypemicroSD Slot
Marine FeaturesMob (Man over Board), Fishing Calcluator
Accuisition Time-Cold38 Sec
Resolutions160x240
Display Size1.5x2.2in
PC InterfaceSerial, USB, Nmea-0183
UsageHandheld/Outdoors
Update Rate1 Per Second, Continuous
Audible FeaturesShallow/Deep Alarm, Anchor Alarm, Proximity Alarm, Off-Course Alarm, Clock Alarm, Voice Navigation Instructions, Arrival Alarm
System TypeHandheld
Max. Horizontal Accuracy< 33ft.

GPSMAP® 60CSx | Garmin

The GPSMAP 60CSx adds a removable microSD card, high-sensitivity GPS receiver, barometric altimeter, and electronic compass to the popular 60-series products.

www.garmin.com

Introduced in early 2005 in the US and not replaced until late 2007 - it’s a good option.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

So this would take on data all the time it was on the lighter?


I think his childhood experiences better explain his cruelty to animals tbh - not to mention pregnancy related changes to the embryo of a mother who was most possibly a drug addict from what I have inferred jmo. His psychosynthesis could be explained from the moment he was conceived to the terrible treatment he had to endure with his Foster parents. Jmo

I think it’s a fair assumption that whenever the device was ok, the trip data was stored - hence the BKA know all the trips he did while he used the device. Obviously, he kept it because it was found at the box factory in 2016.

In terms of cruelty, I meant he may have gone hunting as a youngster to inflict cruelty on animals he caught or killed. It’s a bit of a stretch but it makes me wonder why he specifically used a handheld gps vs one designed to be used in a car.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

According to the Telegraph article the Sat Nav showed he was allegedly in the Algrave post MM.
A GB news article says “Arade”

Madeleine McCann: Fears prime suspect could flee to country without extradition in just weeks if released from prison

German police said Christian Brueckner was likely responsible for the tot's death

www.gbnews.com

I think this is also confirmed by his fling with the teenage girl and the pepper spray document he signed at Faro Airport… I’m a bit sketchy on the airport an date but I think it might have been 5/3.

 

[Hexe]

Whatever happened to MM occurred more than a lifetime ago in 2007.
It is not unreasonable that it takes time to gather evidence for the trial of a classic 'stranger danger' offence.

Actually, the whole behaviour of the prosecutor's office in this case is highly unreasonable and atypical. German prosecutors have no penchant for medial shows, usually the best you can get out of them in any case are dry appeals for help and even drier announcements of arrests. HCW publicly naming a suspect while being absolutely unready to cart him into the courtroom is an unprecedented move (and no, the prosecution was not forced by anyone to do that, hazely mentioning a potential German suspect without naming names was not forcing anyone to do anything, that's quite ridiculous suggestion. CB was named as a suspect only by German prosecution).

Now, five years later, the prosecution admitted they still don't have enough to bring CB to the court. Judging by the last case against CB, where prosecution was chewed on by the presiding judge for the quality of their evidence (and the only "evidence" there was anything wrong with that judge were the comments of angry prosecutor) their standards for sufficient evidence are terribly low, yet the evidence in Maddie's case seems to be too weak even for them.

That makes valid the questions about what kind of evidence do they actually have and how comes they did not get anything more during these five years, despite appeals and whatnots. Mind you HCW, asked on January about Maddie's case didn't say "we are working on this", "it has been developing" or anything like that. He said "no prospects for bringing it to the trial". Much more difficult cases, involving multiple victims were wrapped and sent to the court in less than five years (The task force investigating the cold case of Pembrokeshire murders, over twenty years after they were commited, started in 2009, arrested John Cooper in 2011, for example). Yet the Germsn prosecutor office is helpless, even while facing the possibility of their suspect vanishing in about two months. IMO it looks incredibly pale. Either they do not have anything serious on him, or they bungled the investigation big time. Or both.
IMO, obviously.

 

[tedtink]

Actually, the whole behaviour of the prosecutor's office in this case is highly unreasonable and atypical. German prosecutors have no penchant for medial shows, usually the best you can get out of them in any case are dry appeals for help and even drier announcements of arrests. HCW publicly naming a suspect while being absolutely unready to cart him into the courtroom is an unprecedented move (and no, the prosecution was not forced by anyone to do that, hazely mentioning a potential German suspect without naming names was not forcing anyone to do anything, that's quite ridiculous suggestion. CB was named as a suspect only by German prosecution).

Now, five years later, the prosecution admitted they still don't have enough to bring CB to the court. Judging by the last case against CB, where prosecution was chewed on by the presiding judge for the quality of their evidence (and the only "evidence" there was anything wrong with that judge were the comments of angry prosecutor) their standards for sufficient evidence are terribly low, yet the evidence in Maddie's case seems to be too weak even for them.

That makes valid the questions about what kind of evidence do they actually have and how comes they did not get anything more during these five years, despite appeals and whatnots. Mind you HCW, asked on January about Maddie's case didn't say "we are working on this", "it has been developing" or anything like that. He said "no prospects for bringing it to the trial". Much more difficult cases, involving multiple victims were wrapped and sent to the court in less than five years (The task force investigating the cold case of Pembrokeshire murders, over twenty years after they were commited, started in 2009, arrested John Cooper in 2011, for example). Yet the Germsn prosecutor office is helpless, even while facing the possibility of their suspect vanishing in about two months. IMO it looks incredibly pale. Either they do not have anything serious on him, or they bungled the investigation big time. Or both.
IMO, obviously.

GA is Detective Chief Bungler , not HCW imo

 

[tedtink]

Whatever happened to MM occurred more than a lifetime ago in 2007.
It is not unreasonable that it takes time to gather evidence for the trial of a classic 'stranger danger' offence. Particularly when there is delay in ensuring everyone's rights are respected such as jurisdiction.
My opinion

Deduct a couple of years of interrupted investigation due to covid also.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Funny how the phone data comes from the alleged pj failure.

Yes, that’s fair. OG went deep into the phone data. Do we know if they expanded on the original 72k calls over the three days? I imagine the did.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

GA is Detective Chief Bungler , not HCW imo

In fairness, that’s easier to say given GA’s work is in the public domain. I’ll reserve judgement until HCW and CO’s info is available. I think we’ll be able to find fault there too.

 

[RichardKimble]

Yes, that’s fair. OG went deep into the phone data. Do we know if they expanded on the original 72k calls over the three days? I imagine the did.

We know they deep dove for the 3 suspects phone data at the time, imo it's inconceivable that they never knew of CB's alleged call lasting 30 minutes and didn't find it suspicious and investigated it, unless it's incompetence.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

We know they deep dove for the 3 suspects phone data at the time, imo it's inconceivable that they never knew of CB's alleged call lasting 30 minutes and didn't find it suspicious and investigated it, unless it's incompetence.

They analysed the data looking for suspicious behaviour, what does that look like? I imagine they were focused on calls from 9:00 p.m. onwards. They would then drill down further based on number of calls and the masts they connected to. They were trying to find something unusual.

CB’s call at 7:30 p.m. was from an unknown number and just one of 72k calls. All this says is that there were probably no more calls to or from this number around the critical hours. The call only became suspicious when CB was investigated and this call was a match to him.

He lived in the area so it could be a coincidence, it depends what the emails and sat nav say. This is all the stuff they have, things the put him in the frame without painting his portrait. Just a random’s opinion.

 

[RichardKimble]

They analysed the data looking for suspicious behaviour, what does that look like? I imagine they were focused on calls from 9:00 p.m. onwards. They would then drill down further based on number of calls and the masts they connected to. They were trying to find something unusual.

CB’s call at 7:30 p.m. was from an unknown number and just one of 72k calls. All this says is that there were probably no more calls to or from this number around the critical hours. The call only became suspicious when CB was investigated and this call was a match to him.

He lived in the area so it could be a coincidence, it depends what the emails and sat nav say. This is all the stuff they have, things the put him in the frame without painting his portrait. Just a random’s opinion.

But if you look at the wider angle, reports of strangers staring etc, bogus charity collectors, every thing leading up to the night of the 3rd would be looked at.Surely a cut off point of say 9 pm wasn't the starting point.