Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[Mex]

MWT has proven himself to not be trustworthy. JC on the other hand, not so sure what he got wrong. His book is a great read with plenty of details.

MWT has never been my favourite journalist. Nothing personal just his journalistic approach sometimes jars a bit. Whereas JC has contributed a lot of accuracy and sense to MM's story quite often in the face of adversity. One finds his is journalistic approach more professional.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

MWT has never been my favourite journalist. Nothing personal just his journalistic approach sometimes jars a bit. Whereas JC has contributed a lot of accuracy and sense to MM's story quite often in the face of adversity. One finds his is journalistic approach more professional.

Everyone is entitled to their view. I think JC only tells one side of the story - really the only thing he writes about - and does so in an overly sensationalised manner. I can’t take him seriously.

 

[Mex]

Clarrie Mitchell. A man paid to manage what was said about the case in the media. This point alone means we should be skeptical about what he said. Aside from him threatening legal action against anyone who challenged the official narrative, I find him a thoroughly unpleasant man.

One has no idea whether or not it is possible to 'manage' the news.
The actuality is that CM was employed as a spokesman for MM and her parents at a time when there was little or no support coming from any other source. They were on their own.

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Portuguese police 'ignored Madeleine McCann leads'​

Portuguese police have ignored hundreds of potential new leads in the Madeleine McCann case because of their belief that she is already dead, it has been claimed.

By Fiona Govan in Lisbon12 February 2010 • 7:30am

Details of possible sightings from across Europe have been forwarded to Portuguese investigators by local forces but no effort has been made to follow them up.

KandGMcC, both 41, learnt of the existence of the dossier of new information, including tips offs, license plate numbers and even photographs of children who could be their daughter, during a court hearing in Lisbon that ended Wednesday.

"They were shocked at what was in it and, even worse, what little had been done to follow any of it up,” said C M,
spokesman for the McC family.

"Kate and Gerry have consistently known that potential fresh information was not being properly followed up, if at all.”

The potential new leads date from July 2008 when the case was officially shelved by Portuguese police after they failed to find any evidence of the missing girl.
The confidential dossier contains hundreds of statements that could prove useful in solving the mystery of MM’s disappearance from an Algarve holiday apartment on May 3, 2007.
... ...
"Every piece of information (in the dossier of potential new leads) was treated the same way - RP (current Algarve police chief) writes on it 'this is not relevant to the investigation',”

Lawyer - Mrs D said from her office in the Portuguese capital on Thursday.
“He believed and to this day still believes that MM is dead. I asked him: ‘How can you find a person when you are not looking for them?’”.

She said some of the leads seemed credible, including a cluster of sightings by independent eye witnesses in northern Italy, and had been forwarded by police forces in the UK, Spain, France and Italy but ignored by their Portuguese counterparts.

Copies of the files would now be passed to the McCs to be followed up by private investigators hired to search for their daughter.
"But I am angry because it is the Portuguese investigative police who should be doing this job,” Mrs Duarte, added.
"They have the power and capability to do it. It is they who should be doing it not and not my clients."

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That is a flavour of the times when CM was employed as a spokesman - not a fixer - for a family giving their all to find their daughter.
Who knows what information was lost by a force which was not looking and had not really been doing so since very shortly after MM disappeared; and the lead detectives of the PJ who didn't go back to finish whatever business they had with CB when they didn't get him in first time round.

 

[RichardKimble]

With what means? That he was in pdl at 8pm they have already established it. So is he then caught in a lie? BTW I was talking about his movements after and what and why could have led them to search the farmhouse and the well in atalaia. (And the Arade dam)

Nope, it's established a phone was in Luz being used at circa 8 pm.In the MWT docu HCW admitted he doesn't know who was actually using the phone.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

One has no idea whether or not it is possible to 'manage' the news.
The actuality is that CM was employed as a spokesman for MM and her parents at a time when there was little or no support coming from any other source. They were on their own.

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Portuguese police 'ignored Madeleine McCann leads'​

Portuguese police have ignored hundreds of potential new leads in the Madeleine McCann case because of their belief that she is already dead, it has been claimed.

By Fiona Govan in Lisbon12 February 2010 • 7:30am

Details of possible sightings from across Europe have been forwarded to Portuguese investigators by local forces but no effort has been made to follow them up.

KandGMcC, both 41, learnt of the existence of the dossier of new information, including tips offs, license plate numbers and even photographs of children who could be their daughter, during a court hearing in Lisbon that ended Wednesday.

"They were shocked at what was in it and, even worse, what little had been done to follow any of it up,” said C M,
spokesman for the McC family.

"Kate and Gerry have consistently known that potential fresh information was not being properly followed up, if at all.”

The potential new leads date from July 2008 when the case was officially shelved by Portuguese police after they failed to find any evidence of the missing girl.
The confidential dossier contains hundreds of statements that could prove useful in solving the mystery of MM’s disappearance from an Algarve holiday apartment on May 3, 2007.
... ...
"Every piece of information (in the dossier of potential new leads) was treated the same way - RP (current Algarve police chief) writes on it 'this is not relevant to the investigation',”

Lawyer - Mrs D said from her office in the Portuguese capital on Thursday.
“He believed and to this day still believes that MM is dead. I asked him: ‘How can you find a person when you are not looking for them?’”.

She said some of the leads seemed credible, including a cluster of sightings by independent eye witnesses in northern Italy, and had been forwarded by police forces in the UK, Spain, France and Italy but ignored by their Portuguese counterparts.

Copies of the files would now be passed to the McCs to be followed up by private investigators hired to search for their daughter.
"But I am angry because it is the Portuguese investigative police who should be doing this job,” Mrs Duarte, added.
"They have the power and capability to do it. It is they who should be doing it not and not my clients."

Access Restricted

That is a flavour of the times when CM was employed as a spokesman - not a fixer - for a family giving their all to find their daughter.
Who knows what information was lost by a force which was not looking and had not really been doing so since very shortly after MM disappeared; and the lead detectives of the PJ who didn't go back to finish whatever business they had with CB when they didn't get him in first time round.

I heard him speak so I have direct experience of why he was employed.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Nope, it's established a phone was in Luz being used at circa 8 pm.In the MWT docu HCW admitted he doesn't know who was actually using the phone.

I think that was also covered in the Maddie podcast with MS.

 

[Hygge]

Nope, it's established a phone was in Luz being used at circa 8 pm.In the MWT docu HCW admitted he doesn't know who was actually using the phone.

it wasn’t just a phone. It was a phone with his number, big difference.

 

[Mex]

I heard him speak so I have direct experience of why he was employed.

What exactly was said by CM about ''managing'' the media?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

What exactly was said by CM about ''managing'' the media?

There are hundreds of examples if you search.

Pulled from the below link - this was CM’s career before quitting to join the McCanns. Had MM have been found, he would have immediately found himself unemployed - what a bizarre career decision.

“The ability to secure favourable media coverage can help boost a party's popularity and public standing: Long established features of the political scene such as the sound bite and the photo opportunity, the campaign consultant and the spin doctor are deemed even more important today.”

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199798/cmselect/cmpubadm/770/77020.htm

 

[RichardKimble]

it wasn’t just a phone. It was a phone with his number, big difference.

It still wasn't established who was using that number, that is why they appealed, the caller could have confirmed it was CB they were talking to.

 

[Davieson]

IMO 'sleuthing' is about examing all aspects of a case

As far as I can see, no one has said CB is innocent, but some have expressed doubts regarding his guilt in the case of MM
In my book, that is not the same thing.

PS I'm not really interested in other crimes that CB may or may not have comitted, nor his victims.

 

[RichardKimble]

Nope, it's established a phone was in Luz being used at circa 8 pm.In the MWT docu HCW admitted he doesn't know who was actually using the phone.

Not wishing to Labour the point but I've looked again at the ch5 docu, MWT asks HCW is it possible that phone 680 was not being used by CB but someone else, HCW answered there is always the possibility that some else uses the phone, a phone can be borrowed, lost or sold, HCW also conceded that a radio cell doesn't give a precise location.

 

[Davieson]

Not wishing to Labour the point but I've looked again at the ch5 docu, MWT asks HCW is it possible that phone 680 was not being used by CB but someone else, HCW answered there is always the possibility that some else uses the phone, a phone can be borrowed, lost or sold, HCW also conceded that a radio cell doesn't give a precise location.

I can only conclude from that admission that HCW doesn't hold out much chance of it convincing a judge, otherwise he would have kept his mouth shut.

Talk about an own goal.

 

[Davieson]

Similar to the SatNav information. They know where it was at a certain time, but not who was using it. Unlike a phone, it is genuinely annonymous in use and I'm not sure they need to be registered when purchased. CB probably stole it anyway.

 

[RichardKimble]

I can only conclude from that admission that HCW doesn't hold out much chance of it convincing a judge, otherwise he would have kept his mouth shut.

Talk about an own goal.

Yes, he went onto say the vehicles were more important.

 

[Davieson]

Did he mention which vehicles ?

 

[Davieson]

An interesting article about admissibilty and inadmissibilty of evidence.

What Does It Mean for Evidence to Be Inadmissible?

Evidence can be inadmissible for several reasons, including if it was obtained illegally, if it is hearsay, or if it is irrelevant. Read our blog to learn more.

lnlegal.com

Relevance to the case is clearly important so some circumstantial evidence may also be disallowed.

 

[Mex]

Nope, it's established a phone was in Luz being used at circa 8 pm.In the MWT docu HCW admitted he doesn't know who was actually using the phone.

The phone was in Luz according to the record. If it can be proved that CB was in Luz at the same time one imagines that would be a pretty compelling happenstance.

There are hundreds of examples if you search.

Pulled from the below link - this was CM’s career before quitting to join the McCanns. Had MM have been found, he would have immediately found himself unemployed - what a bizarre career decision.

“The ability to secure favourable media coverage can help boost a party's popularity and public standing: Long established features of the political scene such as the sound bite and the photo opportunity, the campaign consultant and the spin doctor are deemed even more important today.”

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199798/cmselect/cmpubadm/770/77020.htm

One actually did carry out a search and found nothing to support what is believed to be a trope alleging that the spokesperson for the parents of MM was managing the media.

The cite supplied does nothing to answer that since it does not make reference to CM, singling out for mention instead one AC (4. MANAGING THE MEDIA)
Which when working for a recognised political party as referenced herein is a singularly different job from that of representing the parents of a missing child being given a hard time by the denizens of press and certain sections of the public.

McCs win £550k payout and apologies for libels​

McCanns win £550k payout and apologies for libels

Four British newspapers have paid substantial damages to the parents of missing toddler Madeleine McCann, after settling a libel case over reports…

www.heraldscotland.com

While nothing could compare or compete with the resources available to National police forces, it cannot be denied that the efforts by MM's parents and helpers enabled

1. keeping MM's case updated and in the public eye
2. new evidence becoming available which may reveal what happened to her all those years ago.
3. worth bearing in mind that tenacity resulted in justice for DM

Being a 'spin doctor' for a political party does not equate with representing individuals looking for their missing daughter working initially on a shoestring.
My opinion

Why I'm speaking up for the McCs​

The high-profile government spokesman who gave up his job to manage worldwide media interest in the disappearance of MM spoke in Coventry yesterday.
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He had previously been involved in handling press interest in shocking cases like the Soham murders and the Fred and Rosemary West case.
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Mr M was also keen to point out despite leaving his £70,000 a year government job he was not receiving a penny from the Find MM Fund.

His salary is covered by double-glazing magnate BK who has agreed to pay both him and a lawyer to help the McCs cope with up to 40 film crews a day who camp outside their Leicestershire home.

Why I'm speaking up for the McCanns

THE high-profile government spokesman who gave up his job to manage worldwide media interest in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann spoke in Coventry yesterday.

www.coventrytelegraph.net

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[RichardKimble]

Did he mention which vehicles ?

I'm not sure.

 

[frank-cole]

Nope, it's established a phone was in Luz being used at circa 8 pm.In the MWT docu HCW admitted he doesn't know who was actually using the phone.

With respect - very unlikely his phone grew legs & walked to the Ocean club to receive a call.

Point being - the person who owns the phone is incredibly likely to be the person talking on their phone for 30 minutes.