Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[johnmarks]

hi guys I have been trying to look at foral on google maps. There is a block of
Empty land next to his ex Nicole’s house, any chance he could have buried her there under bushes? Just also trying to further go onto this report about Christian b digging in foral-this could be important

 

[onemoremiletogo]

hi guys I have been trying to look at foral on google maps. There is a block of
Empty land next to his ex Nicole’s house, any chance he could have buried her there under bushes? Just also trying to further go onto this report about Christian b digging in foral-this could be important

Oh, keep digging on that, it could be relevant, indeed..

 

[Davieson]

Oh, keep digging on that, it could be relevant, indeed..

In that case its the Germans who should be digging

 

[onemoremiletogo]

In that case its the Germans who should be digging

IMO no. They are not interested in there (me either).
But obviously, I meant digging to get more info on Foral as possible target for burying.

 

[johnlair]

hi guys I have been trying to look at foral on google maps. There is a block of
Empty land next to his ex Nicole’s house, any chance he could have buried her there under bushes? Just also trying to further go onto this report about Christian b digging in foral-this could be important

I saw that too and initially thought that area needed checking... Probably still does.. dodgy place all round a makeshift orphanage with 16 year olds being bought back by an armed CB pregnant...Syringes and drug paraphernalia lying around and some guy NFs boyfriend I think Roman who's never been mentioned really

 

[Tricia]

Please do not post about other cases on this thread.
Thank you

 

[C.greek]

Arade dam search: as per the below the searches in 2008 (I think by a private investigator)
Two bags containing small bones were found during the second search after divers had earlier recovered several lengths of cord, some plastic tape and a single white cotton sock.

Portuguese police were alerted following the discovery but subsequently ruled out the possibility the bones were human because of their size.
how could they rule out bones based on their size alone?

Maddie cops search reservoir paedo suspect called his 'little paradise'

POLICE have launched a major search for Madeleine McCann’s body at a remote reservoir and dam that the prime suspect called his “little paradise”. German and Portuguese cops inves…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[Davieson]

Arade dam search: as per the below the searches in 2008 (I think by a private investigator)
Two bags containing small bones were found during the second search after divers had earlier recovered several lengths of cord, some plastic tape and a single white cotton sock.

Portuguese police were alerted following the discovery but subsequently ruled out the possibility the bones were human because of their size.
how could they rule out bones based on their size alone?

Maddie cops search reservoir paedo suspect called his 'little paradise'

POLICE have launched a major search for Madeleine McCann’s body at a remote reservoir and dam that the prime suspect called his “little paradise”. German and Portuguese cops inves…

www.thesun.co.uk

There's no mention in that extract of them being bone fragments, so perhaps the bones were recognisable as animal bones. As they were in a bag, they might have been something recognisable like a kitten.

 

[Anxala]

In that case its the Germans who should be digging

Speaking of digging, I wonder did the BKA avail of TrueAllele's cybergenetic dna testing that was offered free to OG in terms of throwing light on the inconclusive dna that was found at the original scene?

I'd have thought it would be something of genuine value in the context of linking CB to MM. Science has advanced so much since 2007.

 

[Davieson]

Speaking of digging, I wonder did the BKA avail of TrueAllele's cybergenetic dna testing that was offered free to OG in terms of throwing light on the inconclusive dna that was found at the original scene?

I'd have thought it would be something of genuine value in the context of linking CB to MM. Science has advanced so much since 2007.

There certain is. Only the other day a 92 yr old was convicted of raping and murdering an old woman over 40 years ago, so enhanced DNA testing clearly has a place in old cases

 

[frank-cole]

Oh, keep digging on that, it could be relevant, indeed..

Certainly could be a place he knew very well. IMO A good fix on 100k burglary & a more concrete timeline with when he stayed with NF needed.

SY believe he lived/based out of his van at that time & they have the van in the area in the days prior & weeks after. If he was with the fling around that time then less likely he’d be at Foral imo

 

[Anxala]

There certain is. Only the other day a 92 yr old was convicted of raping and murdering an old woman over 40 years ago, so enhanced DNA testing clearly has a place in cold case reviews.

It would be very interesting to know if TrueAllele had approached the BKA and offered them the same free service as they did to previous MM investigations. I know they were rebuffed in the past by both OG and the PJ but surely the BKA would have welcomed their input in terms of them potentially providing the crucial concrete evidence that (they say) their case against CB lacks.

The BKA would have access to the inconclusive dna, wouldn't they, since all three police forces (the BKA, the PJ and OG) are all working together and sharing information?

 

[C.greek]

It would be very interesting to know if TrueAllele had approached the BKA and offered them the same free service as they did to previous MM investigations. I know they were rebuffed in the past by both OG and the PJ but surely the BKA would have welcomed their input in terms of them potentially providing the crucial concrete evidence that (they say) their case against CB lacks.

The BKA would have access to the inconclusive dna, wouldn't they, since all three police forces (the BKA, the PJ and OG) are all working together and sharing information.

Can you provide links please? Which DNA would they test by the way? Is there anything left from the scene?

 

[Davieson]

Police don't usually test DNA to destruction, so there's probably stored material.
Modern DNA techniques use much smaller samples than earlier tests did, so even if there were only small samples they could still be tested

 

[C.greek]

Police don't usually test DNA to destruction, so there's probably stored material.
Modern DNA techniques use much smaller samples than earlier tests did, so even if there were only small samples they could still be tested

No but they throw away such samples as we saw in other cases from Portugal (ie HB).

 

[Davieson]

No but they throw away such samples as we saw in other cases from Portugal (ie HB).

I think many,if not all of the samples went to UK for testing

 

[Davieson]

It would be very interesting to know if TrueAllele had approached the BKA and offered them the same free service as they did to previous MM investigations. I know they were rebuffed in the past by both OG and the PJ but surely the BKA would have welcomed their input in terms of them potentially providing the crucial concrete evidence that (they say) their case against CB lacks.

The BKA would have access to the inconclusive dna, wouldn't they, since all three police forces (the BKA, the PJ and OG) are all working together and sharing information?

With CB as target, they would be able to compare his DNA with existing results to see if there were any of his components in the mixes.
They could do this anyway. TrueAllele techniques may take it much further, though I musy confess I don't understand the details.

 

[Anxala]

Police don't usually test DNA to destruction, so there's probably stored material.
Modern DNA techniques use much smaller samples than earlier tests did, so even if there were only small samples they could still be tested

It just seems like something the BKA would be very open to as they've, from the off, unlike the other two police forces, positively engaged with and openly asked the public and the wider world for help in getting as much background information as possible about CB so as to strengthen their case against him. Which is why I'm sure they would have been aware of this offer and its potential in nailing CB:

"While the DNA analysis from FSS was inconclusive, Dr Perlin believes from what he has seen in reports that a TrueAllele analysis of the data could yield enough information to help investigators pursue new lines of inquiry."

New DNA analysis could help solve Madeleine McCann mystery, expert says

A US expert says fresh analysis of DNA evidence could be the lead investigators need to help crack the case.

www.smh.com.au

 

[tedtink]

Speaking of digging, I wonder did the BKA avail of TrueAllele's cybergenetic dna testing that was offered free to OG in terms of throwing light on the inconclusive dna that was found at the original scene?

I'd have thought it would be something of genuine value in the context of linking CB to MM. Science has advanced so much since 2007.

If the BKA has availed itself, CB is still a suspect - ie. he hasn't been ruled out of the investigation.

 

[Davieson]

If the BKA has availed itself, CB is still a suspect - ie. he hasn't been ruled out of the investigation.

I think the point was that if his DNA was found, it would probably be all that was needed to obtain a conviction.
A reasonable conclusion therefore would be that either BKA haven't tested, or results weren't helpful.