Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #42

[frank-cole]

That's such a bummer because EVEN those who entertain the abduction theory should have realized at this point that if they had solid evidence this girl was dead they wouldn't need to prosecute CB, they could simply upgrade the case from a 'missing child' to a 'dead child' (if you find the remains or whatever of a girl that's been missing for almost 2 decades, you don't need to know who did it, that's an entirely different matter).

If you have EVIDENCE that MM is dead, every other investigative avenue that considers this girl could still be alive and seen elsewhere should be closed. I can not think of a case - let alone a high profile case like this - where any investigator would sit on this for YEARS. That's just not realistic.

Thanks. Yep. SY also call him a suspect & not a person of interest. 2 contrasting narratives can be drawn from both your & my point about UK terminology. But imo using UK terminology to validated in invalidate a theory about a German case isn’t something I read into. That’s because the German police found the evidence of murder & they’re running the murder investigation

 

[frank-cole]

There’s no realistic scenario for one to have evidence that MM is dead without the remains being located or a tape of MM being killed and/or her corpse being buried in an undisclosed location (the perpetrator’s face was either covered or did not appear on camera).

If you catch a serial rapist and killer who lived right next door from the resort MM was last seen and the remains of 20 other 3 year old girls are dug from the backyard of this property but none of that is a match to MM’s DNA, that still wouldn’t be evidence that MM is dead (or killed by this fella). You could convict him on those 20 other cases, but not on MM.

Odds are this creep also killed MM but buried the body elsewhere. But it could be that MM was a victim of other creeps that are in the radio of any town or city, or that her demise was not related to an outsider as well. Everything is possible. The problem with locking in on a ‘boogieman’ is to forget that other boogiemen are also out there.

There are many cases where serial killers were caught and tried to take credit for other high-profile crimes for the sake of ‘rising their public status’ (they knew they would be locked away for life, they had nothing else to lose). But if they can’t provide some independent information as in something LE never shared with the public and only the killer could know or, better yet, lead them to the remains, then the confession shouldn't be deemed credible.

Because even those who are 100% behind the abduction theory wouldn't want the "wrong fellow" to be found guilty for MM's demise, right? Even if for the sake of some other psychopath walking free and making other victims in the community? Boiling every discussion regarding CB to "he has a criminal history and pattern of offending", IMO, is what leads to most pseudo debates: it prevents the discussion from going beyond the established behaviors of this person's criminal history.

The realistic scenario is the reality. They’re looking for a child’s body, hidden by a transient sex offender, over a decade after the abduction. Cold cases aren’t renown for simplicity. Bodies may never be found & some cases take many decades to solve.

To your point, I guess it is possible that more digital evidence existed & one reason why it may be gone is the 2013 interaction with the police.
But if so, not all digital evidence, because he’s very sadistic & I think he likes to relive his crimes.
I do agree with you that digital evidence is likely & I think it’ll be a picture of MM with CB not in frame.

 

[Hexe]

Thanks. Yep. SY also call him a suspect & not a person of interest. 2 contrasting narratives can be drawn from both your & my point about UK terminology. But imo using UK terminology to validated in invalidate a theory about a German case isn’t something I read into.

Maddie's case is not solely German. Operation Grange is a British investigation, led by British LE, so British terminology is adequate here.

 

[C.greek]

No.

Well, how else would they get permission to release information on a suspect? Germany has really strict rules on personal information being made public. This was not just an appeal for the whereabouts of MM or generally witnesses, it was an appeal for information on one suspect, for the murder of MM.

 

[JB1510]

Maddie's case is not solely German. Operation Grange is a British investigation, led by British LE, so British terminology is adequate here.

Operation Grange stance in 2020 was to say they were treating MM as a missing person case . Nothing else has been released since.They did however issue an appeal at the same time as the BKA , Portugal followed on in 2022. There are 3 forces working together when necessary. OG has significantly reduced its financing in the last few years as the German investigation continues.

Watch video as top Madeleine McCann cop appeals for help after breakthrough

DETECTIVE Chief Inspector Mark Cranwell revealed a “significant development” has been made in finding Madeleine McCann. A German prisoner has been identified as the new prime suspect an…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[C.greek]

Maddie's case is not solely German. Operation Grange is a British investigation, led by British LE, so British terminology is adequate here.

British legal system is different as to when they proclaim someone dead. There need to be someone requesting it.

Is the missing person automatically declared as presumed dead?​

No, there is no automatic declaration. The family or other interested party must apply to the court for a specific purpose e.g. to deal with the missing person’s estate. The court will grant permission to deal with the estate if it is satisfied by the information provided to it – this will include what efforts have been made to find the missing person, and may include evidence from the police and other searching organisations.

Presumption of Death – the seven year rule

Many people are familiar with a so-called ‘seven year rule’ when dealing with a missing person’s affairs. Whilst this time period has significance, there

www.missingpeople.org.uk

 

[Hexe]

Well, how else would they get permission to release information on a suspect?

They need no court permission. The mesia law permits publication of image and name of a suspect if it's in the public interest, like when the LE seeks witnesses.

 

[Hexe]

British legal system is different as to when they proclaim someone dead. There need to be someone requesting it.

Not necessarily. Presumption of death applies to the cases where there is no actual evidence of death, yet no actual evidence of life either. When there is a direct evidence of death presumption of death does not apply and the family does not have to request it.

Last but not least, presumption of death is a civil law concept and has nothing to do with criminal investigations.

 

[C.greek]

Not necessarily. Presumption of death applies to the cases where there is no actual evidence of death, yet no actual evidence of life either. When there is a direct evidence of death presumption of death does not apply and the family does not have to request it.

Last but not least, presumption of death is a civil law concept and has nothing to do with criminal investigations.

I don't honestly understand what you are saying. There is no direct evidence of death (no body to say the least) in this case, therefore what you are saying is not relevant. In Germany, a court had to allow MM to be presumed dead, with evidence. The prosecution applied for this, and they were granted it that is why they are proceeding with a murder investigation. In the UK the authorities did not apply for this presumption of death!

 

[RichardKimble]

Operation Grange stance in 2020 was to say they were treating MM as a missing person case . Nothing else has been released since.They did however issue an appeal at the same time as the BKA , Portugal followed on in 2022. There are 3 forces working together when necessary. OG has significantly reduced its financing in the last few years as the German investigation continues.

Watch video as top Madeleine McCann cop appeals for help after breakthrough

DETECTIVE Chief Inspector Mark Cranwell revealed a “significant development” has been made in finding Madeleine McCann. A German prisoner has been identified as the new prime suspect an…

www.thesun.co.uk

The important part from the article, nothing to indicate any thing since that convinces OG otherwise.


"I should be very, very clear on this - while this male is a suspect, we retain an open mind as to his involvement."

 

[RichardKimble]

I don't honestly understand what you are saying. There is no direct evidence of death (no body to say the least) in this case, therefore what you are saying is not relevant. In Germany, a court had to allow MM to be presumed dead, with evidence. The prosecution applied for this, and they were granted it that is why they are proceeding with a murder investigation. In the UK the authorities did not apply for this presumption of death!

Then if there's no direct evidence of death why are the German prosecutors saying they believe CB killed MM ?

 

[Hexe]

I don't honestly understand what you are saying. There is no direct evidence of death (no body to say the least) in this case, therefore what you are saying is not relevant. In Germany, a court had to allow MM to be presumed dead, with evidence. The prosecution applied for this, and they were granted it that is why they are proceeding with a murder investigation. In the UK the authorities did not apply for this presumption of death!

Again, presumption of death is a civil law concept that does not apply to the criminal investigation. The LE does not need the victim to be legally dead to start a murder investigation, not in the UK and not in Germany. And no, the Braunschweig prosecution did not apply to the court for the presumption of Maddie's death. They did not need to.

So we are back to the square one - the alleged evidence of Maddie's death was NOT verified by any court, or, it seems by the UK police who still trwat this as a missing case not a murder.

 

[JB1510]

The important part from the article, nothing to indicate any thing since that convinces OG otherwise.


"I should be very, very clear on this - while this male is a suspect, we retain an open mind as to his involvement."

Enough to launch a uk appeal though, but open mind as they don’t know the evidence the BKA have which could well be still applicable in 2025.OG has reduced its financing dramatically since CB was named a “prime suspect”.

 

[Davieson]

Og was reduced to 3 or 4 bodies plus the office cat long before then

 

[Anxala]

Enough to launch a uk appeal though, but open mind as they don’t know the evidence the BKA have which could well be still applicable in 2025.OG has reduced its financing dramatically since CB was named a “prime suspect”.

This is not true. And it's really disengenuous and unhelpful to link the two. There's no path to truth in that stance.

OG's ongoing financing is not remotely connected to or representative of OG's faith in the BKA.

 

[Monic]

An important point seems to be that visual evidence has indeed been found. But personally, I don't think the man is visible? And that it cannot be proven that the sticks etc. belong to CB or that he hid them there under the dog.

 

[frank-cole]

An important point seems to be that visual evidence has indeed been found. But personally, I don't think the man is visible? And that it cannot be proven that the sticks etc. belong to CB or that he hid them there under the dog.

I agree.
I think they have irrefutable evidence that MM was murdered. Proving MM has been murdered is not their challenge, their challenge is building a case against CB that will 1 - no risk of inadmissibility 2 - no gaps to sow doubt or find loopholes.

Evidence MM was murdered is tragic for the family. It may not end in justice but evidence of murder will change the majority of the misguided because that evidence contradicts the noise. Hence this prolonged period of hysteria we’re seeing.

 

[Trivento]

'More details' needed on prime Madeleine McCann suspect before prison release

Prosecutors are still trying to find who made a 30-minute phone call to Brueckner, causing his mobile to be 'pinged' by a cell phone tower in Praia da Luz, close to where Madeleine disappeared

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Denis R Tandib]

'More details' needed on prime Madeleine McCann suspect before prison release

Prosecutors are still trying to find who made a 30-minute phone call to Brueckner, causing his mobile to be 'pinged' by a cell phone tower in Praia da Luz, close to where Madeleine disappeared

www.mirror.co.uk

He said this while speaking to a newspaper - unbelievable:

“There are always officers working on this case every single day, even if it is not making the headlines, and that is actually how we prefer to work – behind the scenes. It means we can focus on the case and we are not constantly being distracted.”

It’s all the same trust us, we have strong evidence and it’s better than it was. However, the suspect is being prepared for release. Surely it can’t be argued that the people running this case have any credibility, they’re hopeless.

 

[Hexe]

It’s all the same trust us, we have strong evidence and it’s better than it was. However, the suspect is being prepared for release. Surely it can’t be argued that the people running this case have any credibility, they’re hopeless.

After how they bungled HB's case and got slammed for bringing in, quote:

unreliable witnesses, some of whom deliberately lied to the court.

(mind you, two of these witnesses, HB and MS, are supposedly the key witnesses in Maddie's case), I do not think the Prosecutor's Office has much credibility left. I only feel for HB who became victim the second time.