Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #42

[Denis R Tandib]

I think this indicates that the appeal will be unsuccessful and that preparations are being made for CB’s release. It should be inferred that the evidence against him has more gaps than a picket fence.

Madeleine McCann suspect 'to be tagged' to stop him vanishing after jail release

Christian Brueckner wants to flee to a non-extradition country if he is released as expected in September, so prosecutors have applied to the courts to impose restrictions on his movements

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Anxala]

I think this indicates that the appeal will be unsuccessful and that preparations are being made for CB’s release. It should be inferred that the evidence against him has more gaps than a picket fence.

Madeleine McCann suspect 'to be tagged' to stop him vanishing after jail release

Christian Brueckner wants to flee to a non-extradition country if he is released as expected in September, so prosecutors have applied to the courts to impose restrictions on his movements

www.mirror.co.uk

Sounds like it. Be interesting to see what restrictions they try to impose on him under their ‘führungsaufsicht’ system. And how the court will respond to the prosecution's demands for the 'supervision' measures they're asking for.

 

[RichardKimble]

DNA-Analyse: Wie ein Herkunftstest bei Emittlungen helfen könnte

Ein totes Kind in der Donau. Keine Identität, keine Herkunft, keine Spur. Die Polizei sucht seit drei Jahren vergebens. DNA-Analysen zur Herkunft des Kindes könnten helfen, doch die sind hierzulande verboten. Bayern drängt auf eine Gesetzesänderung.

www.br.de

No dna analysis allowed? How would the BKA determine if remains found would be MM.The above link is from another thread on here.I may be wrong but my take on the following would be that any remains found in the recent searches could only be examined in Portugal or even the UK, passing on the results which would put a lie to the reports the Germans took any bone samples with them.

A dead child in the Donau. No identity, no origin, no trace. The police have been searching in vain for three years. DNA analyses to determine the child's origin could help, but they are prohibited in this country. Bavaria is pushing for a change in the law.

Andreas Aichele says in the BR political magazine Kontrovers: ‘There are no leads whatsoever. We have really investigated worldwide. We have made requests for legal assistance. We have contacted colleagues all over the world. Where is a child missing? To date, there have been no results that we could use.’

There is a way to determine where the boy comes from: through his DNA.

But the police are not allowed to analyse it, at least not completely. Genetic fingerprinting is permitted, which can be used to convict perpetrators beyond a doubt. Analyses of hair colour, eye colour, age and gender are also possible.

However, the analysis of so-called biogeographical origin, which could be decisive in this case, is prohibited in Germany. This analysis can be used to make statements about the region from which a person's ancestors originate: for example, Europe, East Asia or sub-Saharan Africa.

This would make it possible to determine on which continent the missing child was born, according to Aichele: ‘Where they actually spent their early years, for example, and that would at least narrow down the global search a little. And we could focus more intensively on that geographical area.’


The same is being demanded by the Ministers of Justice of Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg, Marion Gentges (CDU) and Georg Eisenreich (CSU). They are submitting a motion at the Conference of German Ministers of Justice from 4 to 6 June. According to this motion, biogeographical origin analysis should be possible in future. When asked by Kontrovers, the Hamburg Senator of Justice announced that she did not intend to agree to this. The others are still keeping their cards close to their chest.

 

[Hexe]

No dna analysis allowed? How would the BKA determine if remains found would be MM.

It's not like all DNA analyse is prohibited in Germany. The DNA profile from nuclear DNA, the mtDNA analysis or estimating the looks of the deceased based on their genes are normal and legal investigative tools in Germany (it is even said so in the article you quote). What is not legal there is geographical profiling based on DNA, which has no use in MM's case.

 

[RichardKimble]

It's not like all DNA analyse is prohibited in Germany. The DNA profile from nuclear DNA, the mtDNA analysis or estimating the looks of the deceased based on their genes are normal and legal investigative tools in Germany (it is even said so in the article you quote). What is not legal there is geographical profiling based on DNA, which has no use in MM's case.

It kind of contradicts itself, Genetic fingerprinting is DNA profiling.All that would remain after all this time is bone or fragments of, I guess a hair might be found in soil samples.

Genetic fingerprinting explained | DNA fingerprinting | University of Leicester

Bullet-point guide to the key facts about DNA, genetic fingerprinting and genetic profiling.

le.ac.uk

 

[Loobyloo]

It kind of contradicts itself, Genetic fingerprinting is DNA profiling.All that would remain after all this time is bone or fragments of, I guess a hair might be found in soil samples.

Genetic fingerprinting explained | DNA fingerprinting | University of Leicester

Bullet-point guide to the key facts about DNA, genetic fingerprinting and genetic profiling.

le.ac.uk

I think there's an important distinction here between *genetic* profiling (which could, for instance, establish a match with relatives or with other crime scene samples) & *geographical* profiling, which could identify which part of the world someone came from. It's the second type that's currently not allowed in Germany.
So hopefully the restriction wouldn't apply to any materials found relating to MM or CB.

 

[Hexe]

It kind of contradicts itself, Genetic fingerprinting is DNA profiling.

It does not, actually. It is explained quite clearly which kinds of DNA profiling are allowed (genetic fingerprinting, DNA phenotyping) and which are not (geographic DNA profiling).

The geographic profiling would have no use in finding out if these bones belong to Maddie, the method used would be genetic fingerprinting that is allowed in Germany.

So yes, they can test these bones in Germany. Let's stop muddying the waters.

 

[RichardKimble]

It does not, actually. It is explained quite clearly which kinds of DNA profiling are allowed (genetic fingerprinting, DNA phenotyping) and which are not (geographic DNA profiling).

The geographic profiling would have no use in finding out if these bones belong to Maddie, the method used would be genetic fingerprinting that is allowed in Germany.

So yes, they can test these bones in Germany. Let's stop muddying the waters.

Who's muddying the water's, trying to get an handle on just what the Germans can test.

 

[With_You_Always]

It does not, actually. It is explained quite clearly which kinds of DNA profiling are allowed (genetic fingerprinting, DNA phenotyping) and which are not (geographic DNA profiling).

The geographic profiling would have no use in finding out if these bones belong to Maddie, the method used would be genetic fingerprinting that is allowed in Germany.

So yes, they can test these bones in Germany. Let's stop muddying the waters.

Why would it not be useful? If they discovered the bones came from Britain, that’s significant

 

[Davieson]

Why would it not be useful? If they discovered the bones came from Britain, that’s significant

It certainly could be if taking a wider view.
If human bones were found, but were not from MM, it would still be useful to try and identify them.
An Ancestry-type profile could be very helpful in such a case.

 

[Hexe]

Why would it not be useful? If they discovered the bones came from Britain, that’s significant

Why waste time and money for geographical profiling when they have Maddie's full profile? If they can yield any viable DNA from these bones, comparing it to Maddie's is the fastest way possible.

 

[RichardKimble]

Why waste time and money for geographical profiling when they have Maddie's full profile? If they can yield any viable DNA from these bones, comparing it to Maddie's is the fastest way possible.

It's all if, buts and maybes, there was no confirmation any human remains were found, and even if there were there's no guarantee it would be MM.IMO it remains as it was in 2007, MM disappeared !

 

[Anxala]

It's all academic since no bones of any significance have been found.

Surely we know by now that if anything of note had turned up in the most recent searches, the prosecution would be all over it by now, courtesy of their leak-machines, with their 'a source close to the investigation said' 'bombshell' revelations.

The silence is telling.

 

[Loobyloo]

Do we know what date in September CB is due to be released, if there are no new charges?

 

[stargazer_99]

I think he acted alone, saw an opportunity and took it. I heard a while back that he has made admissions to this effect. I doubt they will ever find poor Madeline. MOO

I'm not certain that CB acted alone.

Here's an excerpt of an interview with KR, who said he knew CB in the months before Madeleine vanished because they both parked their camper vans at Barranco beach. He claimed CB tried to recruit a mutual friend to steal a child:

"We were sitting around the fire one night after a meal, we had a few beers and during the early hours of the morning my friend began to cry. I asked him what the matter was and, eventually, he confessed to me he was getting involved with Christian to steal a child from Praia da Luz from a rich family."
"I said you can't get involved in kidnapping a person for ransom, that's ridiculous, then he explained - 'no, it's not like that'. Christian had a customer, a buyer lined up, a German couple who couldn't have children."

Then there's LC, CB's former prison inmate:

“He told me that in Portugal, he had stolen there. He was in an area of hotels where rich people live. And when he went to the hotel area, there was an open window somewhere, he told me. And he would have entered this window for money and gold. However, he did not find any money, but came across a child and took it with him. About two hours later, the area was full of police and dogs and he had left from there.”

"He left the area. He then said that there was another person with him who he had argued with and that they had split up."

Both accounts seem to imply that CB was acting with another person.
If so, who could he have been with, and what function did they hold?

 

[johnmarks]

I'm not certain that CB acted alone.

Here's an excerpt of an interview with KR, who said he knew CB in the months before Madeleine vanished because they both parked their camper vans at Barranco beach. He claimed CB tried to recruit a mutual friend to steal a child:

"We were sitting around the fire one night after a meal, we had a few beers and during the early hours of the morning my friend began to cry. I asked him what the matter was and, eventually, he confessed to me he was getting involved with Christian to steal a child from Praia da Luz from a rich family."
"I said you can't get involved in kidnapping a person for ransom, that's ridiculous, then he explained - 'no, it's not like that'. Christian had a customer, a buyer lined up, a German couple who couldn't have children."

Then there's LC, CB's former prison inmate:

“He told me that in Portugal, he had stolen there. He was in an area of hotels where rich people live. And when he went to the hotel area, there was an open window somewhere, he told me. And he would have entered this window for money and gold. However, he did not find any money, but came across a child and took it with him. About two hours later, the area was full of police and dogs and he had left from there.”

"He left the area. He then said that there was another person with him who he had argued with and that they had split up."

Both accounts seem to imply that CB was acting with another person.
If so, who could he have been with, and what function did they hold?

Would it be Nicole his ex? That would possibly place him at foral later in the night ?

 

[RichardKimble]

Paywall but JC says this.The date in question is Sept 17.


However, The Olive Press understands that the prison authorities are likely to allow him to leave a week ‘or ten days’ before that date.

EXCLUSIVE: ‘WAIT AND SEE’: As Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner could be out on the streets in ‘under a month’ - Olive Press News Spain

DANGEROUS child molester Christian Brueckner might make a return trip to Spain or Portugal in under a month. The convicted German sex offender - the prime

www.theolivepress.es

 

[Loobyloo]

Paywall but JC says this.The date in question is Sept 17.


However, The Olive Press understands that the prison authorities are likely to allow him to leave a week ‘or ten days’ before that date.

EXCLUSIVE: ‘WAIT AND SEE’: As Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner could be out on the streets in ‘under a month’ - Olive Press News Spain

DANGEROUS child molester Christian Brueckner might make a return trip to Spain or Portugal in under a month. The convicted German sex offender - the prime

www.theolivepress.es

I didn't find it paywalled...
Let's hope the 'judicial source' is correct in saying he'll be fitted with an ankle tag on release.

 

[RichardKimble]

I didn't find it paywalled...
Let's hope the 'judicial source' is correct in saying he'll be fitted with an ankle tag on release.

It was when it was first released.

 

[Hexe]

Let's hope the 'judicial source' is correct in saying he'll be fitted with an ankle tag on release.

If he will get the ankle tag, he will be wearing it only to September 17 when his sentence ends. After that he will be a free man and tagging him will be illegal.