Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #42

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  • #281
5 years in jail for violent rape... Western European criminal justice truly is something to behold.
Yep. In the UK we’ve had stranger rapists get 18+ years. Most are arguably less brutal than the one he comitted. 18 offences including multiple sex crimes & spending the majority of adult life out of prison is a pretty sweet deal for a career criminal. Is he capable of going straight or is he gonna do what he’s always done… It’s a wait & see. Not good.
 
  • #282
CB got 7 years.
A second rape offence may attract more, but certainly Europe doesn't generally go in for the draconian measures of some other countries
As if 7 years for the violent rape of an elderly woman is any more justifiable for a career sex predator with a hard drive of CP and written plans for abducting children.
 
  • #283
I would see it differently. The reason he should be subject to close monitoring isn’t about whether he did or didn’t cooperate in prison after 2020, but because he is a repeat sexual predator. That’s what happens with other serious sexual offenders, and it’s standard practice given the risks they pose.
CB has a long history of serious crimes, including the rape of DM and several convictions in Germany for sexual abuse of children.
The psychiatric report described him as a psychopath based on his past offending and police files, not on media hype. Even his own lawyer has admitted the current reports “do not show a positive social prognosis". IMO these do not relate to his behaviour and/or non-cooperation in his current prison sentence.

So the rationale for close monitoring is clear: his established record and his assessed high risk of reoffending, not how he chose to respond once named in 2020. Jmo

Agreed. Also, by not engaging with a Psychiatrist or a counsellor, particularly not undergoing or agreeing to any kind of therapy, may also go against him.
IMO
 
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  • #284
Agreed. Also, by not engaging with a Psychiatrist or a counsellor, particularly not undergoing or agreeing to any kind of therapy, may also go against him.
IMO
I think refusing to do any counselling or rehabilitation programme was something they decided was too risky. The defence needed to keep his mouth shut & not take any risks. His behaviour in prison & the refusal to talk to police, counsellors & psychiatrists further points toward guilt in my opinion. The point must be stressed that this is an extremely dangerous individual who I fear is going to commit another rape or sexual assault of a minor. The prosecutors know that’ll happen, so if they don’t get him for Mm’s murder now they’ll get him then.
 
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  • #285
Agreed. Also, by not engaging with a Psychiatrist or a counsellor, particularly not undergoing or agreeing to any kind of therapy, may also go against him.
IMO
The article above stated the information shared during therapy sessions could be used against him at trial. He was advised not to participate by his lawyer.
 
  • #286
As if 7 years for the violent rape of an elderly woman is any more justifiable for a career sex predator with a hard drive of CP and written plans for abducting children.
Pitt Bull savages 10 people. Pit Bull refuses treatment. New owner thinks he’s a good doggy and takes him to the park. Pit Bull savages a toddler.
Same will happen with CB.

IMO we’d all be on the same page about CB if he wasn’t the prime suspect in the MM case.
 
  • #287
As if 7 years for the violent rape of an elderly woman is any more justifiable for a career sex predator with a hard drive of CP and written plans for abducting children.
The average term for a single rape in the UK is 59 months. Many offenders get less and a very large number are not even investigated. It happens continually that people suggest CB should be held to a higher standard than other criminals. He is notorious because he is connect to the MM crime - no evidence to charge hm for this. Legally, this has nothing to do with any other conviction or sentence he may have. Objectivity might be worth exercising.
 
  • #288
The article above stated the information shared during therapy sessions could be used against him at trial. He was advised not to participate by his lawyer.
If he had nothing to hide why would he not take up the opportunity for time out of his cell & some expert support to rehabilitate him?

Why would his lawyers advise him not to participate in support that could benefit him ?
 
  • #289
The average term for a single rape in the UK is 59 months. Many offenders get less and a very large number are not even investigated. It happens continually that people suggest CB should be held to a higher standard than other criminals. He is notorious because he is connect to the MM crime - no evidence to charge hm for this. Legally, this has nothing to do with any other conviction or sentence he may have. Objectivity might be worth exercising.
Can you source a sadistic stranger rape with a sentence of less than 7 years?
 
  • #290
As a father of daughters and a husband, I think the outrage about rape as vile and heinous crime is justified.

However, DM did get justice. If the crime against her had happened in the UK, it is very unlikely she would have received the same outcome.

“For victims, reporting rape is effectively a lottery and the odds are rarely in your favour. In the year to December 2021, there were 67,125 rape offences recorded – an all-time high. Yet the number of completed rape prosecutions plummeted from 5,190 in 2016-17 to just 2,409 in 2020-21. The numbers of convictions almost halved (2,689 in 2016/17 compared to 1,409 in 2020/21). Only 5% of rapes that were given an outcome by the police in the year ending December 2021 resulted in a charge.”
 
  • #291
As a father of daughters and a husband, I think the outrage about rape as vile and heinous crime is justified.

However, DM did get justice. If the crime against her had happened in the UK, it is very unlikely she would have received the same outcome.

“For victims, reporting rape is effectively a lottery and the odds are rarely in your favour. In the year to December 2021, there were 67,125 rape offences recorded – an all-time high. Yet the number of completed rape prosecutions plummeted from 5,190 in 2016-17 to just 2,409 in 2020-21. The numbers of convictions almost halved (2,689 in 2016/17 compared to 1,409 in 2020/21). Only 5% of rapes that were given an outcome by the police in the year ending December 2021 resulted in a charge.”
A sadistic rape of a badly beaten pensioner corroborated by forensic evidence is a slam dunk for an arrest. A lot of rapes are much harder to solve because they are much harder to prove.

Just wanted to add that bit of context
 
  • #292
The average term for a single rape in the UK is 59 months. Many offenders get less and a very large number are not even investigated. It happens continually that people suggest CB should be held to a higher standard than other criminals. He is notorious because he is connect to the MM crime - no evidence to charge hm for this. Legally, this has nothing to do with any other conviction or sentence he may have. Objectivity might be worth exercising.
I'm aware how the law works, that's why I didn't mention MM in my post, only the offenses he was convicted and/or proven guilty of. I'm not saying *he* should be held to a higher standard - the standard itself is rotten and needs to be thrown out. A few years in jail for violently raping a stranger, then set free to find more victims, is repulsive and a complete insult to the victims who's entire lives are destroyed forever. It's a miracle that any rape victims even bother to come forward in these societies that treat their trauma like a joke.
 
  • #293
I'm aware how the law works, that's why I didn't mention MM in my post, only the offenses he was convicted and/or proven guilty of. I'm not saying *he* should be held to a higher standard - the standard itself is rotten and needs to be thrown out. A few years in jail for violently raping a stranger, then set free to find more victims, is repulsive and a complete insult to the victims who's entire lives are destroyed forever. It's a miracle that any rape victims even bother to come forward in these societies that treat their trauma like a joke.
To be clear, this is a forum about MM and CB being suspected of her abduction and murder.

I agree that rape sentences are too lenient. However, it was suggested that CB has served a term which is more lenient and out of step with the UK. This is untrue. There are countless examples of rapists committing multiple offences against women and children and receiving less than seven years - most only serve half their term.
 
  • #294
Can you source a sadistic stranger rape with a sentence of less than 7 years?
2 years, 9 months:


5 years, 9 months:


6 years:


7 years:


All the above crimes were committed strangers. All were committed in the UK. Where the crimes were committed before 2020 the offenders would have been released on parole after 50% of the sentence was served - this increased to 66% after 2020.

There really are hundreds , if not thousands of cases in the UK where rapists serve less time than CB.
 
  • #295
A sadistic rape of a badly beaten pensioner corroborated by forensic evidence is a slam dunk for an arrest. A lot of rapes are much harder to solve because they are much harder to prove.

Just wanted to add that bit of context
The context is the UK. In 2023/4, of the nearly 70k rapes reported to the police, 98.7% did not result in a charge.

Who knows if DM would have obtained justice in the UK - its record is truly abysmal. Certainly the statistics would be against her.
 
  • #296
Quite a lengthy piece but this stood out.
Note the addional author.


The evidence is strong enough to say that the girl is dead and to accuse a specific individual of murder,’ prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said. But four months later, no charges have been brought. For this evidence was uncovered several years ago, though it was only made public recently, and used to convict Brueckner of the assault of his ex-lover’s five-year-old daughter.
Under German law, this means it cannot be reused to convict him for a different crime. Mr Wolters says all he needs is a ‘small’ piece of new evidence to press onwards.

 
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Quite a lengthy piece but this stood out.
Note the addional author.


The evidence is strong enough to say that the girl is dead and to accuse a specific individual of murder,’ prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said. But four months later, no charges have been brought. For this evidence was uncovered several years ago, though it was only made public recently, and used to convict Brueckner of the assault of his ex-lover’s five-year-old daughter.
Under German law, this means it cannot be reused to convict him for a different crime. Mr Wolters says all he needs is a ‘small’ piece of new evidence to press onwards.

It feels like Groundhog Day. Only the first sentence is a direct quote. Who knows where the rest came from, but likely the journo trying to fill gaps and sell papers.
 
  • #298
It feels like Groundhog Day. Only the first sentence is a direct quote. Who knows where the rest came from, but likely the journo trying to fill gaps and sell papers.
Actually it is a well written piece! And there are quite a few direct quotes
 
  • #299
Quite a lengthy piece but this stood out.
Note the addional author.


The evidence is strong enough to say that the girl is dead and to accuse a specific individual of murder,’ prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said. But four months later, no charges have been brought. For this evidence was uncovered several years ago, though it was only made public recently, and used to convict Brueckner of the assault of his ex-lover’s five-year-old daughter.
Under German law, this means it cannot be reused to convict him for a different crime. Mr Wolters says all he needs is a ‘small’ piece of new evidence to press onwards.

Yes, we know about this - that this evidence was part of a different investigation and that they could not reuse it for a different crime. He only got what 2 years for that other heinous crime by the same judge who acquitted him last year. But they do have similar evidence from another hard drive (I think! I can't remember though from where, help? )
I think they do have evidence that he is responsible, what they are missing - apart from the body- is to prove BARD he was at or close to the crime scene, that is why they are so desperate to find the other caller and any tourist pics from around there. JMO
 
  • #300
Dbm.
 
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