Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #42

[Davieson]

What may not be sufficient evidence in Germany may be sufficient in another country?
In England, because it concerns an English child.

Or perhaps HB in Ireland because of her rape case?

In the case of MM , British police, in the form of the Metropolitan police have not decided that MM is anything other than missing.
They would need to determine for themselves what crime had been committed and who the likely perpertrator was before they could sumit their findings to the CPS, who in turn would need to decide if there was a case to answer before applying for extradition.

 

[tedtink]

This guy claimed that CB was a psychopath. Below article suggests that therapy isn’t helpful in treating this disorder - not helpful at all.

Why would defence team advise him not to remain silent and then undermine this by speaking to a therapist. It’s a nonsensical argument.

https://scispace.com/papers/psychopathy-treatment-behavior-and-sex-offender-recidivism-3jfeuq840r

Did the defence team know CB was a diagnosed Psychopath before they advised CB not to cooperate or engage in therapy? When was the psych report published?

 

[frank-cole]

Did the defence team know CB was a diagnosed Psychopath before they advised CB not to cooperate or engage in therapy? When was the psych report published?

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IMO they probably expected he was a psychopath & then assessed him as so. Not sure about whether they had the report pre-arrest, I am guessing they would have.

IMO - the defence aren’t naive or misinformed, so I don’t think they’ll have any doubt that he is guilty. But the gig is to defend.

Maximum exposure & future earnings.

 

[Hexe]

IMO - the defence aren’t naive or misinformed, so I don’t think they’ll have any doubt that he is guilty. But the gig is to defend.

Maximum exposure & future earnings.

Can we focus on CB instead of admonishing the defence for doing what is essentially their job? The right to the defence is one of the cornerstones of modern legal systems.

 

[C.greek]

Can we focus on CB instead of admonishing the defence for doing what is essentially their job? The right to the defence is one of the cornerstones of modern legal systems.

Nobody is admonishing the defence. Frank just said they are doing their job and that they are neither naive nor misinformed. The focus of this discussion is on why CB did not receive therapy while in prison.

 

[RichardKimble]

Nobody is admonishing the defence. Frank just said they are doing their job and that they are neither naive nor misinformed. The focus of this discussion is on why CB did not receive therapy while in prison.

Because he didn't wish to incriminate himself, the presumption of innocence applies, he has not been questioned let alone charged in connection with the MM case.From the RTL article posted by Hygge.

He never attended therapy in prison. His right to keep secret protects him not only in court, but also from psychiatrists. Because if you give information there, then the expert can also be introduced by the expert in court. And then it's almost as if you had told the court or the public prosecutor's office itself," explains Christian Wolters.

 

[C.greek]

Because he didn't wish to incriminate himself, the presumption of innocence applies, he has not been questioned let alone charged in connection with the MM case.

But why does this have anything to do with MM? All rapists/sexual offenders are offered therapy in prison. He didn't take this opportunity because his lawyers advised him. Maybe right maybe wrong, but the whole discussion here seems to preempt that therapy was offered because he was investigated for MM, which is not true. He was offered therapy because of the nature of his crimes for which he was in prison for.

 

[RichardKimble]

But why does this have anything to do with MM? All rapists/sexual offenders are offered therapy in prison. He didn't take this opportunity because his lawyers advised him. Maybe right maybe wrong, but the whole discussion here seems to preempt that therapy was offered because he was investigated for MM, which is not true. He was offered therapy because of the nature of his crimes for which he was in prison for.

When was the therapy to start, if it was after having been named has prime suspect, his defence I'd venture would have immediately told him to keep stum.

 

[C.greek]

When was the therapy to start, if it was after having been named has prime suspect, his defence I'd venture would have immediately told him to keep stum.

He received counselling in June 2020 when put in solitary confinement (as was most of the world then I should say...) but the fact that he denied the crime he was sentenced for and was serving (brutal rape) meant he refused all such therapy/treatment for sexual offenders. So, when we are talking that he refused therapy, this has absolutely nothing to do with MM, but with the fact he denied he commited the crime he was serving time for. Then, when the psychiatrist asked to interview him, this is when the defence advised him not to, since that would be as part of the trial for the other charges he faced. I guess this is what HCW refers to, since the psychiatrist was court appointed. But that he did not have any rehabilitation/therapy for his crimes is only his making and something that to me as a naive outsider really stands out. Jmo

 

[Anxala]

It was a reaction to the electronic ankle bracelet. I think that if someone has been acquitted, they are not authorized to put an ankle bracelet on CB.

I don't know how the legal system works in England, but isn't it possible for CB to be charged there?

On what possible basis? And on what possible charge? I'm really struggling to understand your question.

CB, a German citizen, has completed a prison sentence in Germany, for a crime he committed in Portugal, that he was found guilty of by a German court. There are no outstanding or in the pipeline charges against him in Germany or anywhere else. Once he leaves prison, he's a free man, just like every other person in his same position.

What is it that you think the UK could charge him with?

Or are you just asking if someone like CB, with his history, would automatically be tagged in the UK upon completing their sentence?

 

[Davieson]

I think he just doesn't wish to cooperate with any form of authority when it doesn't suit him to do so.

 

[C.greek]

I think he just doesn't wish to cooperate with any form of authority when it doesn't suit him to do so.

I agree. So now that he is asking for police protection, it suits him to have a police person following him around...

 

[RichardKimble]

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Ok, what evidence is there that MM was abducted, a: by a sexual predator, b: by any other?

 

[RichardKimble]

I agree. So now that he is asking for police protection, it suits him to have a police person following him around...

No direct quote for that, but conversely the BKA are in a way asking for that with electronic surveillance.

 

[Davieson]

Can an electronic tag signal be blocked in any way ?

 

[C.greek]

No direct quote for that, but conversely the BKA are in a way asking for that with electronic surveillance.

I think this is what FF means

"The defense has contacted the Lower Saxony Ministry of Justice to request appropriate measures in the interest of our client's safety and the maintenance of order within the facility. A response has not yet been received. To ensure Christian B.'s safety, the undersigned is in close contact with the responsible police station.”

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner demands police protection

Germany's prison service is preparing to release of the chief suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, Christian Brueckner, as his seven-year rape sentence comes to an end

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[RichardKimble]

Can an electronic tag signal be blocked in any way ?

No doubt there's a way.

 

[RichardKimble]

I think this is what FF means

"The defense has contacted the Lower Saxony Ministry of Justice to request appropriate measures in the interest of our client's safety and the maintenance of order within the facility. A response has not yet been received. To ensure Christian B.'s safety, the undersigned is in close contact with the responsible police station.”

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner demands police protection

Germany's prison service is preparing to release of the chief suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, Christian Brueckner, as his seven-year rape sentence comes to an end

www.mirror.co.uk

He talks of in the facility, imo meaning prior to the imminent release.No doubt there's going to be a media scrum.

 

[C.greek]

He talks of in the facility, imo meaning prior to the imminent release.No doubt there's going to be a media scrum.

The mention of "responsible police station" is why I think he refers to immediately after his release. Of course I might be wrong. Perhaps some member with access to German media could enlighten us? Perhaps it's lost in translation

 

[C.greek]

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The acquittal is not final until the appeal is heard - but this belongs to the other thread. And yes, simply put with no emotions, the principle of double jeopardy would apply here, so CB could not be charged for the same crime twice within the EU.


The OP asked whether charges against CB on the MM case could be brought in the UK, if perhaps the non-sufficient evidence for Germany's standards might be sufficient in the UK. I don't understand your confoundment on this observation.