Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #42

[Megnut]

Ok, what evidence is there that MM was abducted, a: by a sexual predator, b: by any other?

When a three year old is missing from her bed, that is going to be an angle to investigate.

And if they've got any evidence, admissable or otherwise, that puts CB on their radar, it would be wildly irresponsible not to continue to investigate him as a POI.

If his alibi doesn't hold up (the person he was with, if she can't recall if he was with her exactly at that time.), he becomes more than a POI.

Back in the day, there was no evidence of a suspect responsible for kidnapping ElizabethSmart from her shared bedroom. That doesn't mean she wasn't abducted, and in fact, she was abducted...

Investigations go both ways. Start in the home, as it were, and expand from there. Anytime a POI is looked at, then LE looks backwards toward the home.

More and more fits IMO.

He was within a radius.
He has a history of breaking and entering.
He has a history of pedophilia (as well as a history that suggests he's an opportunistic abuser -- young, old and anyone he has easy access to.

He had an underage GF at the time which IMO served as an alibi but IMO also provided him free passage out of the area. 'Don't mind me, nothing to see here, just traveling with my niece' or somesuch.

LE wouldn't need to prove the how of an abduction to charge him with her murder if they have evidence she was in his company and control and reason to believe she's no longer alive.

Not enough evidence is absolutely not the same as no evidence, and as long as no one is charged in her disappearance, I would not expect LE to reveal to the public what evidence they do have. It's an ongoing investigation.

Even if they have a photograph depicting MM in any way associated with CB, even if it was a photo of abuse or the murder itself, IMO LE would be wary to charge him. Photo gets thrown out, trial could collapse. Smart to wait until they have more evidence, and that generally means waiting on tips.

If this crime happened today, IMO the parents would have been cleared quickly. Digital forensics are the new DNA... and LE would have had video of the abduction, the abductor and a vehicle to work with IMO.

But again, limited evidence is not the same as no evidence.

IMO working the crime forward and back, CB remains a strong suspect.

JMO

 

[frank-cole]

When a three year old is missing from her bed, that is going to be an angle to investigate.

And if they've got any evidence, admissable or otherwise, that puts CB on their radar, it would be wildly irresponsible not to continue to investigate him as a POI.

If his alibi doesn't hold up (the person he was with, if she can't recall if he was with her exactly at that time.), he becomes more than a POI.

Back in the day, there was no evidence of a suspect responsible for kidnapping ElizabethSmart from her shared bedroom. That doesn't mean she wasn't abducted, and in fact, she was abducted...

Investigations go both ways. Start in the home, as it were, and expand from there. Anytime a POI is looked at, then LE looks backwards toward the home.

More and more fits IMO.

He was within a radius.
He has a history of breaking and entering.
He has a history of pedophilia (as well as a history that suggests he's an opportunistic abuser -- young, old and anyone he has easy access to.

He had an underage GF at the time which IMO served as an alibi but IMO also provided him free passage out of the area. 'Don't mind me, nothing to see here, just traveling with my niece' or somesuch.

LE wouldn't need to prove the how of an abduction to charge him with her murder if they have evidence she was in his company and control and reason to believe she's no longer alive.

Not enough evidence is absolutely not the same as no evidence, and as long as no one is charged in her disappearance, I would not expect LE to reveal to the public what evidence they do have. It's an ongoing investigation.

Even if they have a photograph depicting MM in any way associated with CB, even if it was a photo of abuse or the murder itself, IMO LE would be wary to charge him. Photo gets thrown out, trial could collapse. Smart to wait until they have more evidence, and that generally means waiting on tips.

If this crime happened today, IMO the parents would have been cleared quickly. Digital forensics are the new DNA... and LE would have had video of the abduction, the abductor and a vehicle to work with IMO.

But again, limited evidence is not the same as no evidence.

IMO working the crime forward and back, CB remains a strong suspect.

JMO

There are also at least 3 eye witnesses sightings of a man matching his description at the Ocean club in the days prior & on the day itself.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

There are also at least 3 eye witnesses sightings of a man matching his description at the Ocean club in the days prior & on the day itself.

For context.

Neither of the two suspects seen carrying a child fitting MM’s description describe CB’s characteristics.

There are eye witness descriptions of short and tall people, blondes and brunettes, men and women… a full spectrum of descriptions.

 

[RichardKimble]

For context.

Neither of the two suspects seen carrying a child fitting MM’s description describe CB’s characteristics.

There are eye witness descriptions of short and tall people, blondes and brunettes, men and women… a full spectrum of descriptions.

OG in 2013 only described one child seen being carried as resembling a description close to that of MM, the carrier didn't fit a description of CB, the brit holiday maker who came forward for one possible sighting obviously never saw any thing suspicious, that is why the focus went onto the circa 10pm sighting so possibly three carriers, none fitted a description of CB, what are the odds there was another.
Not forgetting also the three locals OG went after, if they were out and about they've never id'd CB either.

 

[RichardKimble]

When a three year old is missing from her bed, that is going to be an angle to investigate.

And if they've got any evidence, admissable or otherwise, that puts CB on their radar, it would be wildly irresponsible not to continue to investigate him as a POI.

If his alibi doesn't hold up (the person he was with, if she can't recall if he was with her exactly at that time.), he becomes more than a POI.

Back in the day, there was no evidence of a suspect responsible for kidnapping ElizabethSmart from her shared bedroom. That doesn't mean she wasn't abducted, and in fact, she was abducted...

Investigations go both ways. Start in the home, as it were, and expand from there. Anytime a POI is looked at, then LE looks backwards toward the home.

More and more fits IMO.

He was within a radius.
He has a history of breaking and entering.
He has a history of pedophilia (as well as a history that suggests he's an opportunistic abuser -- young, old and anyone he has easy access to.

He had an underage GF at the time which IMO served as an alibi but IMO also provided him free passage out of the area. 'Don't mind me, nothing to see here, just traveling with my niece' or somesuch.

LE wouldn't need to prove the how of an abduction to charge him with her murder if they have evidence she was in his company and control and reason to believe she's no longer alive.

Not enough evidence is absolutely not the same as no evidence, and as long as no one is charged in her disappearance, I would not expect LE to reveal to the public what evidence they do have. It's an ongoing investigation.

Even if they have a photograph depicting MM in any way associated with CB, even if it was a photo of abuse or the murder itself, IMO LE would be wary to charge him. Photo gets thrown out, trial could collapse. Smart to wait until they have more evidence, and that generally means waiting on tips.

If this crime happened today, IMO the parents would have been cleared quickly. Digital forensics are the new DNA... and LE would have had video of the abduction, the abductor and a vehicle to work with IMO.

But again, limited evidence is not the same as no evidence.

IMO working the crime forward and back, CB remains a strong suspect.

JMO

The fundamental question of what evidence is there that MM was abducted, no evidence of a stranger in 5a, no positive id of CB among the carriers of children that night.imo and most importantly is that there are no remains of MM to be found.

To pick up upon the point of CB being in the radius his phone was or his number was, this is why according to a mirror article upthread the BKA are still asking for the caller to come forward to confirm it was CB they talked to.

Let us also not forget no amount of investigative work brought CB to the table, it was an unreliable witness( as ascertained in the unrelated trial) who approached the police.

CB might well be a strong suspect and will remain so, with out clear evidence pointing otherwise, the BKA have ensured this.imo.

 

[frank-cole]

For context.

Neither of the two suspects seen carrying a child fitting MM’s description describe CB’s characteristics.

There are eye witness descriptions of short and tall people, blondes and brunettes, men and women… a full spectrum of descriptions.

As I said, 3 eye witness accounts of a man matching CB’s description at the Ocean club on both the day & days prior.

I agree, there will certainly have been humans of varying heights, different hair colours & both genders, around a holiday complex.

 

[JB1510]

Can an electronic tag signal be blocked in any way ?

What a strange question

 

[C.greek]

The fundamental question of what evidence is there that MM was abducted, no evidence of a stranger in 5a, no positive id of CB among the carriers of children that night.imo and most importantly is that there are no remains of MM to be found.

MM didn't just magically vanish.

To pick up upon the point of CB being in the radius his phone was or his number was, this is why according to a mirror article upthread the BKA are still asking for the caller to come forward to confirm it was CB they talked to.

The BKA imo have everything else they need to charge apart from the positive BARD proof that it was CB using his phone.

Let us also not forget no amount of investigative work brought CB to the table, it was an unreliable witness( as ascertained in the unrelated trial) who approached the police.

That's not 100% true as CB was also in the radar in 2013 when someone else called the police about him. And the police in Germany did not follow that up well... also they don't only have one witness overall! And they have found many other things that fit in the meantime, strong enough to persuade the BKA and the PJ that CB is responsible.

CB might well be a strong suspect and will remain so, with out clear evidence pointing otherwise, the BKA have ensured this.imo.

What do you mean the BKA have ensured this? The BKA have said that they have found no evidence that CB did not do it, and this is really important as the prosecution in Germany needs to make sure that they have looked at everything that might exonerate their suspect and they have found nothing jmo

 

[frank-cole]

The fundamental question of what evidence is there that MM was abducted, no evidence of a stranger in 5a, no positive id of CB among the carriers of children that night.imo and most importantly is that there are no remains of MM to be found.

To pick up upon the point of CB being in the radius his phone was or his number was, this is why according to a mirror article upthread the BKA are still asking for the caller to come forward to confirm it was CB they talked to.

Let us also not forget no amount of investigative work brought CB to the table, it was an unreliable witness( as ascertained in the unrelated trial) who approached the police.

CB might well be a strong suspect and will remain so, with out clear evidence pointing otherwise, the BKA have ensured this.imo.

Have you guys considered that they may have photographic or video evidence that MM is dead & that she was murdered?

I think proving she’s dead will be easy for them. I think the challenge is having an airtight case against CB for causing the death that they have evidence for.

If that’s true it proves the alt-theory wrong. But it also doesn’t lock up the prime suspect.

 

[RichardKimble]

CB might well be a strong suspect and will remain so, with out clear evidence pointing otherwise, the BKA have ensured this.imo.

What do you mean the BKA have ensured this? The BKA have said that they have found no evidence that CB did not do it, and this is really important as the prosecution in Germany needs to make sure that they have looked at everything that might exonerate their suspect and they have found nothing jmo

With the imminent release of CB and no charges it seems arriving in relation to MM your post perfectly illustrates my point imo that the BKA have ensured CB is the one who did for MM even without allegedly critical evidence .

 

[RichardKimble]

Have you guys considered that they may have photographic or video evidence that MM is dead & that she was murdered?

I think proving she’s dead will be easy for them. I think the challenge is having an airtight case against CB for causing the death that they have evidence for.

If that’s true it proves the alt-theory wrong. But it also doesn’t lock up the prime suspect.

If being the qualifying word, but back to the digital image or imaginary digital evidence,would you not consider it cruel in the least to have not explained to the foreign office at least that they have evidence MM is dead, the official find MM page still says no evidence of harm to MM, the SY line is still a missing persons case.

 

[RichardKimble]

One way I suppose, it is the Sun after all.
The Sun claims lawyers claim CB will not be tagged.


Lawyers claimed Brueckner would not be electronically tagged on release — which prosecutors had requested.

Madeleine McCann suspect could be HELICOPTERED out of prison in days

JAIL chiefs discussed plans to free Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner — in a helicopter. The Sun on Sunday has learned details around the paedo’s release have still not been confirmed. P…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Have you guys considered that they may have photographic or video evidence that MM is dead & that she was murdered?

I think proving she’s dead will be easy for them. I think the challenge is having an airtight case against CB for causing the death that they have evidence for.

If that’s true it proves the alt-theory wrong. But it also doesn’t lock up the prime suspect.

Yes, of course. It’s been raised by you and many other posters over the last five years.

The fact that we are in a situation where the suspect is being released without charge makes it almost certain no footage or images of MM are in the case file.

With their circumstantial case and imagery either found in CB’s possession or connecting him to the case, they would have charged him.

No new direct evidence in five years, they would assume nothing more is coming. If their case is as strong as you suggest they would charge him.

 

[frank-cole]

With the imminent release of CB and no charges it seems arriving in relation to MM your post perfectly illustrates my point imo that the BKA have ensured CB is the one who did for MM even without allegedly critical evidence .

My point is that they could have the evidence MM was murdered. Just not enough to convict. That’s not the BKA’s fault, Richard.

 

[RichardKimble]

The mirror doesn't do helicopters.

Madeleine McCann prime suspect 'to keep his secrets' and roam free from prison

Christian Brueckner is due to be released from Sehnde jail, near Hanover, by Wednesday after serving a seven-year term for raping and beating a US pensioner in Portugal in 2005

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Hexe]

He had an underage GF at the time which IMO served as an alibi but IMO also provided him free passage out of the area.

For the sake of facts and precision: CB's then gf with whom he allegedly spent the evening of May 3rd 2007 was at that time fully adult woman. He had underage gf later, in Germany. It was NM, Kosovan German he met in 2013 in Braunschweig.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

MM didn't just magically vanish.


The BKA imo have everything else they need to charge apart from the positive BARD proof that it was CB using his phone.


That's not 100% true as CB was also in the radar in 2013 when someone else called the police about him. And the police in Germany did not follow that up well... also they don't only have one witness overall! And they have found many other things that fit in the meantime, strong enough to persuade the BKA and the PJ that CB is responsible.



What do you mean the BKA have ensured this? The BKA have said that they have found no evidence that CB did not do it, and this is really important as the prosecution in Germany needs to make sure that they have looked at everything that might exonerate their suspect and they have found nothing jmo

“MM didn't just magically vanish.” It’s a leap to suggest she was abducted by a stranger with no evidence pointing in that incredibly unlikely direction.

“The BKA imo have everything else they need to charge apart from the positive BARD proof that it was CB using his phone.” If they had the caller, all it proves is that could potentially place him in PDL. He as living in the area. Can you explain how this would meet the bard standard?

“That's not 100% true as CB was also in the radar in 2013 when someone else called the police about him. And the police in Germany did not follow that up well... also they don't only have one witness overall! And they have found many other things that fit in the meantime, strong enough to persuade the BKA and the PJ that CB is responsible.” No, the investigation into CB for MM’s disappearance started with HeB’s call to OG. Others circumstantial evidence hasn’t ruled him out but it hasn’t ruled him in. Let’s not forget that other people like RM, KM and the 2013 OG suspects were also considered responsible. CB is no different.

“What do you mean the BKA have ensured this? The BKA have said that they have found no evidence that CB did not do it, and this is really important as the prosecution in Germany needs to make sure that they have looked at everything that might exonerate their suspect and they have found nothing jmo” He can’t be exonerated because he hasn’t been convicted. The BKA have publicly convicted him without trial and without their evidence being tested at trial - that’s the important part of this case. Until, he’s charged, all they have is a theory that cannot be proven.

 

[Lilly b]

For the sake of facts and precision: CB's then gf with whom he allegedly spent the evening of May 3rd 2007 was at that time fully adult woman. He had underage gf later, in Germany. It was NM, Kosovan German he met in 2013 in Braunschweig.

She was with him a week later than 3rd, it's been posted on here quite a while back, and she was 17

 

[C.greek]

She was with him a week later than 3rd, it's been posted on here quite a while back, and she was 17

Indeed, either 17 or 18
Post in thread 'Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #30' Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #30

 

[Hexe]

She was with him a week later than 3rd, it's been posted on here quite a while back, and she was 17

And the source of these revelations is...? The person who gave CB alibi was NF, not an underage person at the time.