Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #42

[RichardKimble]

Deep dive.

Minute by minute, how Maddie McCann vanished

With German sex offender Christian Brueckner - the chief suspect in her disappearance - about to be released from jail, DEEP DIVE investigates how Maddie disappeared without a trace…

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[RichardKimble]

Thick and fast now, to be expected one supposes.

McCann’s kidnap on Brueckner after he told me ‘she didn’t scream’…now I’m scared he’ll seek revenge​

Helge Busching, a former pal of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner, speaks to The Sun about the exact moment he asked the suspect: "How did someone just take her from the apartment?

I can pin Maddie's kidnap on Brueckner after he told me 'she didn't scream'

HELGE Busching is a man sleeping with one eye open – for he is a former pal of paedophile and Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner… and helped put him behind bars. Speaking excl…

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[onemoremiletogo]

They need to place the phone in CB’s hand at / near the OC.
HCW said that last week.

Yes. That is still crucial.
Phone at OC, incriminating plan in his emails and/or details in his real fantasy stories autonomously corroborated by independent testimonies and maybe a photo(?) of MM. JMO

 

[Denis R Tandib]

No it wouldn't imo. We saw in the recent trial how difficult it is to prove crimes. Let alone now in MM case, without a body and without DNA. The photo could have been sent to him. If it doesn't have CB in it, his lawyers could find hundreds of things to say to cast doubt. And then that's it.
If they can prove CB was in PdL that night BARD, all the rest of the evidence cannot easily be negated.

in the previous trial we saw how difficult it is to prosecute a circumstantial case. I can recall people saying prior to that trial that a conviction was almost inevitable because of the threshold in Germany to take a case to trial - but the evidence didn’t materialise but the case went to trial because they the logical chain of evidence.

For there to be photographic evidence and for it to have not led to a charge it would have to not include CB or anything connected to him in the frame - location, belongings, EXIF data must be missing or unhelpful and then it still needs to be explained away why it was in his possession.

The BARD decision is being made by a professional judge.

At this stage, we are not looking for a conviction BARD, just an arrest warrant.

We would have to accept them letting him walk free and not indict him when they have evidence that would allow a charge.

IMO, it’s just not realistic.

 

[frank-cole]

What I was meaning was what would the photo have to depict to show that she was dead ?
What about differentiation between murder and manslaughter / accidental deasth ?

If somebody has been shot, strangled, stabbed, beaten across the head with a heavy object - one could perhaps make the argument that a these injuries weren’t a result of an accident.

 

[RichardKimble]

No one can pinpoint any where where some one in authority has indicated they have a image of a dead MM, it's been journalistic licence at best.

 

[frank-cole]

Yes. That is still crucial.
Phone at OC, incriminating plan in his emails and/or details in his real fantasy stories autonomously corroborated by independent testimonies and maybe a photo(?) of MM. JMO

I think you’re right. Judging by CB’s words which was something along the lines of was “was my vehicle seen clearly” - I get the impression they may have his vehicle in the area on that day & the defence have cottoned on to it. So I think van + cell data, but not CB physically there (via photo or video). The 5pm eye witness testimony matches his description.

Evidence of murder - 100% imo. His vehicle & phone didn’t drive itself & grow legs. But there is an opportunity for more doubt - be that proximity or that somebody else using his phone & driving his van, etc.

 

[C.greek]

No one can pinpoint any where where some one in authority has indicated they have a image of a dead MM, it's been journalistic licence at best.

We don't know what they have. Only recently did we learn from the sun chanel4 docu about some more of what they have. They have clearly said they don't have an image of CB and MM together. They have not said if they have or not an image of MM.

 

[C.greek]

in the previous trial we saw how difficult it is to prosecute a circumstantial case. I can recall people saying prior to that trial that a conviction was almost inevitable because of the threshold in Germany to take a case to trial - but the evidence didn’t materialise but the case went to trial because they the logical chain of evidence.

For there to be photographic evidence and for it to have not led to a charge it would have to not include CB or anything connected to him in the frame - location, belongings, EXIF data must be missing or unhelpful and then it still needs to be explained away why it was in his possession.

The BARD decision is being made by a professional judge.

At this stage, we are not looking for a conviction BARD, just an arrest warrant.

We would have to accept them letting him walk free and not indict him when they have evidence that would allow a charge.

IMO, it’s just not realistic.

They would not charge if they are not certain it would 1. Lead to a trial and 2. Convict him.

BARD is needed even for the arrest warrant in Germany . And we saw in the previous trial that despite passing that threshold it still led to his acquittal. So his lawyers could introduce doubt in many places if the prosecution cannot 100% show CB was holding his mobile in PdL.

 

[frank-cole]

No one can pinpoint any where where some one in authority has indicated they have a image of a dead MM, it's been journalistic licence at best.

True, but the wouldn’t because the evidence that convinces the BKA hasn’t been released yet. Going by open source when there’s an investigation going on behind it, may be a mistake.

 

[frank-cole]

We don't know what they have. Only recently did we learn from the sun chanel4 docu about some more of what they have. They have clearly said they don't have an image of CB and MM together. They have not said if they have or not an image of MM.

Yes. They’ve said a lot about what they do not have, so there’s quite a bit of information for a process of elimination.

I think they may take a calculated risk & present a bit more of their evidence to the public. Because there are probably one or two reluctant witnesses & perhaps a few who haven’t been paying enough attention. A complete guess & hypothetical, but maybe he deactivated his phone on 4/5. Maybe he repainted his van. Maybe he had 100’s of photos of the McCann family.

Maybe they’ll risk making that public to peak interest in CB & the area at the time.

 

[RichardKimble]

We don't know what they have. Only recently did we learn from the sun chanel4 docu about some more of what they have. They have clearly said they don't have an image of CB and MM together. They have not said if they have or not an image of MM.

It's from whats not been said that it's inferred by some then they must have an image, it's speculation at best based on nothing substantive.

 

[C.greek]

It's from whats not been said that it's inferred by some then they must have an image, it's speculation at best based on nothing substantive.

Absolutely. But let's be cautious here as you propose. We have 3 different police forces thinking of him as the primary suspect. What kind of conspiracy would make that possible? What would the reasons be for this international across nations belief that he is the perpetrator? I cannot think of anything tbh jmo

 

[Hexe]

BARD is needed even for the arrest warrant in Germany .

No, it is not. What is required is an urgent suspicion that the accused committed the crime in question.

 

[RichardKimble]

No, it is not. What is required is an urgent suspicion that the accused committed the crime in question.

Despite all that's been said, the BKA cannot have an urgent suspicion against CB.

 

[Anxala]

For there to be photographic evidence and for it to have not led to a charge it would have to not include CB or anything connected to him in the frame - location, belongings, EXIF data must be missing or unhelpful and then it still needs to be explained away why it was in his possession.

It's not even that though. The idea that a photo of MM, dead or otherwise - one that EXIF data proved had been taken post her disappearance - would not have been shared with both her family and OG is ludicrous.

Which absolutely negates imo the idea that any such image exists.

 

[C.greek]

No, it is not. What is required is an urgent suspicion that the accused committed the crime in question.

And that would mean the prosecution would habe to share all the evidence they already have with his lawyers, which they have said again and again they are not going to do if they don't have the certainty that it will go successfully to court.

 

[C.greek]

It's not even that though. The idea that a photo of MM, dead or otherwise - one that EXIF data proved had been taken post her disappearance - would not have been shared with both her family and OG is ludicrous.

Which absolutely negates imo the idea that any such image exists.

Can you please explain why the OG also has CB as a suspect in their investigation into what happened to MM?

 

[frank-cole]

Absolutely. But let's be cautious here as you propose. We have 3 different police forces thinking of him as the primary suspect. What kind of conspiracy would make that possible? What would the reasons be for this international across nations belief that he is the perpetrator? I cannot think of anything tbh jmo

Yes. I don’t think any of this will be complicated to comprehend. It’ll be very simple.

IMO going around in circles & reaching to come to a desired conclusion, may be a mistake. Albeit an easy one to make.

Unfortunately the answer to this case will be the worst possible.

Perhaps the Germans are sure of murder because the evidence clearly shows murder. Perhaps the 3 police forces are investigating CB because they all suspect CB.

 

[C.greek]

Ankle tag and no passport!! Just an ID card and only for within Germany!

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