Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #42

[RichardKimble]

I wonder why his lawyers are so close to him? Is that normal in Germany to go and collect your client from prison, take them to a McD's, wait for them to have a burger and a cigarette, and escort them to a place you have arranged for them (presumably, because his lawyers had said he has no place to stay) ?

Because of the unfounded claims their client is a murderer of a child which arguably is possibly the most famous certainly in Europe if not the world they may well feel he needs some kind of privacy not least from the press.Take MM out of the equation he's a nobody.

 

[tedtink]

Yes but here he is repeating the same things from the documentary which actually did not make sense then and they still don't now. Talking again about the alibi, which was proven to be irrelevant and not an alibi, or that the triangulation showed 6-35 km, which again was nonsense...

Talking of docu's, isn't the one by Dr Graham Hill on ITV tonight? Now this guy has some serious credentials, PHD in Criminology & applied Social Science & Forensic Behavioural Psychology. National and international lecturer and visiting Prof at Birmingham City Uni.
Should be interesting.

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[Megnut]

He's not a nobody to his living victims. He's not going to be a nobody to his likely next victim. No one is safe from him IMO.

And he clearly remains a strong POI (IMO only suspect) in the disappearance of MM. And since they haven't lifted the veil of suspicion from him, I don't plan to either. It's not like, since they don't have enough to arrest him, they say, oh, well, guess he's not responsible, we'll just have to find someone else to investigate. No. How frustrating to know who's your guy but not have enough usable (admissable) evidence to charge and convict him.

It happens.

JMO

 

[C.greek]

Because of the unfounded claims their client is a murderer of a child which arguably is possibly the most famous certainly in Europe if not the world they may well feel he needs some kind of privacy not least from the press.Take MM out of the equation he's a nobody.

Actually he is a vile, violent, sadistic rapist of girls and women of all ages, a dangerous predator, and a psychopath.

 

[C.greek]

Talking of docu's, isn't the one by Dr Graham Hill on ITV tonight? Now this guy has some serious credentials, PHD in Criminology & applied Social Science & Forensic Behavioural Psychology. National and international lecturer and visiting Prof at Birmingham City Uni.
Should be interesting.

Home | website

www.grahamhillcriminologist.com

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Indeed! What time?

 

[RichardKimble]

Actually he is a vile, violent, sadistic rapist of girls and women of all ages, a dangerous predator, and a psychopath.

That not in doubt, it wouldn't have been known about unless of the MM case is my point.

 

[RichardKimble]

The press imo will soon tire of CB, the focus now is on the MET if what Rowley says is correct and the BKA to find the impossible evidence to link him to the alleged murder of MM.

 

[C.greek]

That not in doubt, it wouldn't have been known about unless of the MM case is my point.

Yes so why 'protect and 'groom' him as a lawyer? If it were a friend of his, I wouldn't have bat an eyelid, but his lawyer?!

 

[C.greek]

Nice one again about the MET thinking of extradition and the commissioner considering the case as murder

British police regard Brückner, 49, as their main suspect, as do their European counter parts. ... Rowley, the Metropolitan police commissioner, said: “They’ve got to a particular point in their inquiry where the prosecutor doesn’t feel they’re able to prosecute. We’re now at a stage where he remains a suspect for us. We’re taking stock.

“The Germans have done everything they possibly can do within their law. He has a track record for very serious offences. He remains a suspect in our investigation into Madeleine McCann being missing.”

Asked if Brückner could be extradited to face trial in the UK, Rowley said that an offence as serious as murder need not be tried in the country where the crime took place.

Rowley, Britain’s most senior police officer, said: “There are hundreds of questions. One of the reasons we are involved is that murder is in many situations extraterritorial and potentially a murder of a British subject can in certain circumstances be charged in the UK.

UK to explore extraditing Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner

Met chief Mark Rowley says many questions remain and detectives are liaising with German and Portuguese police

www.theguardian.com

The former head of extradition at the Crown Prosecution Service, Nick Vamos, said: “Yes, it is feasible. The main obstacle is you need enough evidence to charge before you can extradite.”

 

[RichardKimble]

Indeed! What time?

9 pm.

 

[lebvidox]

Frankly, that's beyond embarrassing at this point. The Germans went to the hell and back to get this guy put away for life or to obtain any meaningful confession related to MM's case. They got nothing, they got nowhere. The UK team isn't cracking it either. CB is a sick, twisted creep, but whether anyone believes the authorities got the right guy and are just an inch away from making a solid case, there's no way to spin this. This is NOT a case of 'we don't know what the police know and aren't telling us", because everything meaningful would have been used by now to either keep this guy from being released or to get him to the UK long ago.

 

[lebvidox]

Yes so why 'protect and 'groom' him as a lawyer? If it were a friend of his, I wouldn't have bat an eyelid, but his lawyer?!

That's basically the job description of a defense attorney, who might also be out to make a name for themselves like any investigator and prosecutor. It's actually WAY more probable for a friend of this creep to turn on him than a lawyer representing him.

 

[RichardKimble]

UK to explore extraditing Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner

Met chief Mark Rowley says many questions remain and detectives are liaising with German and Portuguese police

www.theguardian.com

The former head of extradition at the Crown Prosecution Service, Nick Vamos, said: “Yes, it is feasible. The main obstacle is you need enough evidence to charge before you can extradite.”

A couple of points.
I'm the case of JC and SJL , the cps knocked the police back with the suspect and victim could not be placed together and without a body a realistic prospect of conviction would not happen same in this case.
Secondly a fair trial could not happen because of the media frenzy in the uk.
Thirdly is the German case so poor it needs SY to take it on.

It's not going to happen, a human rights lawyer would see to that.

All opinion.

 

[frank-cole]

Some interesting quotes from the BBC




For those who questioned whether he would get police protection. The answer is no


So, all in all, no police protection. Very strict monitoring among the 130 in total in Germany who wear this ankle tag for the maximum duration they could ask this - 5 years.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner freed from German prison

Christian Brückner has never been charged with any crime in relation to the McCann case.

www.bbc.co.uk

Only 130 people in Germany are monitored that way?? So that means that only 1 in 642000 people are wearing one for the maximum duration.

Geez that court must have assessed his dangerousness as incredibly high! Prosecutors must have put across some hard detail.
Irrespective of whether (in the appeal) they find legal errors with the trial judge, the ruling on release conditions has been very firm, whereas the trial judge had been very allowing & weak. I think the trial judge may be feeling like her credibility has been stepped on.

 

[lebvidox]

A couple of points.
I'm the case of JC and SJL , the cps knocked the police back with the suspect and victim could not be placed together and without a body a realistic prospect of conviction would not happen same in this case.
Secondly a fair trial could not happen because of the media frenzy in the uk.
Thirdly is the German case so poor it needs SY to take it on.

It's not going to happen, a human rights lawyer would see to that.

All opinion.

And the source here was talking about a 'hypo' > 'Asked if Brückner could be extradited to face trial in the UK, Rowley said that an offence as serious as murder need not be tried in the country where the crime took place.' Not a question of 'we'll ask Germany to send him to us so we can interview him so maybe we can build a strong enough case to go to trial'. And here where talking about a 'German citizen' committing a crime in Portugal and being sent to the UK.

The article itself was quite clear about the meaning of this statement. "The Germans tried everything they could" > "But could the UK try something different" > "Well, anything is possible".

 

[frank-cole]

A couple of points.
I'm the case of JC and SJL , the cps knocked the police back with the suspect and victim could not be placed together and without a body a realistic prospect of conviction would not happen same in this case.
Secondly a fair trial could not happen because of the media frenzy in the uk.
Thirdly is the German case so poor it needs SY to take it on.

It's not going to happen, a human rights lawyer would see to that.

All opinion.

IMO, it may be a mistake to want for a case to stay in a place because one thinks it may fail there. That’s because SY sound like they’ve been seeking an opportunity to make a move. IMO a human rights argument must always apply to victim before anybody else.

Although it hasn’t started on websleuths yet, there are pockets of anger that have seemingly instantaneously switched from HCW & now on to SMR. I guessing it’s because Rowley is quoted about it being a murder case & perhaps hinted at a small possibility of extradition. They are the faces speaking for the cases but behind them are people doing a lot of work. Work that I think will come as a shock to all of us.

My opinion

 

[lebvidox]

IMO, it may be a mistake to want for a case to stay in a place because one thinks it may fail there. That’s because SY sound like they’ve been seeking an opportunity to make a move. IMO MM comes first, CB not first

it hasn’t started on websleuths yet, but there are pockets of anger that have seemingly instantaneously switched from HCW & now on to SMR. I guessing it’s because Rowley is quoted about it being a murder case & perhaps hinted at a small possibility of extradition. They are the faces speaking for the cases but behind them are people doing a lot of work. Work that I think will come as a shock to all of us.

My opinion. This is strictly a matter of jurisdiction and rights. Like Scotland Yard had to request the PJ from Portugal to interview or reinterview suspects on their behalf, and the PJ had the prerogative to grant the request or not.

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The scenario we’re entertaining here, even if taking as a fact that CB is the guilty party before any trial whatsoever, would be something like: a Utah citizen is murdered in New York by a citizen of California, and the guy is apprehended in California but not extradited to NY, where the crime took place, but to Utah, where the victim resided; Utah, unlike California and NY, has the death penalty. So the guy being found guilty in Utah would be sentenced to death; and that’s all for some sketchy maneuvers for the ‘presumption’ that the burden of proof would not be as high in Utah as in the other states?

The very idea of ‘it may be a mistake to want for a case to stay in a place where one thinks it may fail’ is incredibly problematic. It comes with the validation of ‘you can change jurisdictions for the sake of getting an easier conviction’. This is way bigger than CB and MM; that’s a very dangerous precedent.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

What would constitute clear evidence of murder?

Good question.

In some cases I've followed, circumstantial evidence was enough to get a conviction for murder....

Even with all the twists and turns as there are here, with differing jurisdictions and charges going towards individual cases, and parsing out of potential evidence on multiple potential cases on a potential suspect at large going towards only a specific case...

Though it's awful and frustrating for this to happen in the case of MM, RIP dear one, I wonder if and hope beyond hope that the "German suspect" the prosecutorial and LE systems amongst the different countries may be ready to identify as a suspect in MM's disappearance/abduction/murder, Have a Plan for charging him toot suite.

As soon as he is released and any evidence that was used as part of another case with admitted crossover between cases (e.g. box factory images/evidence thereof or elsewhere related to the charges for which he served time in prison for just now) can and will be used to arrest him anew on separate charges...

Based on circumstantial evidence that's "in there" for other cases he is implicated in or has been looked at or charged in connection to, which is telling enough to lead LE in Portugal or Germany or elsewhere (e.g., a wider international crime ["trafficking"] syndicate operating across multiple countries, so Interpol perhaps?) for them collectively to bring down the hammer on him and cuff him anew.

Just hopeful and hoping not to be frustrated and disgusted that he may be allowed to waltz off unbidden after he is released after serving time on another charge he was convicted for molesting another young innocent girl, with no follow up on him being an official suspect and charged for Madeleine's murder just because the circumstantial evidence, if it was (e.g., box factory images), was already used to charge and convict him for his other crimes.

I just can't imagine that evidence which is incriminatory wholesale and indicitive of his depravity and criminality, which could include him possessing images of MM, would be prevented from use in this case.

Cuz AFAIK, there ain't no such thing as double jeopardy when it comes to using a trove of images criminal in nature to charge a felon for other crimes.

JMHO

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Just for reference.....There were two searches of the box factory, one in 2016 and another, much larger op in 2018.

"As the "Magdeburger Volksstimme" reported on Saturday, the dilapidated site was last searched in June 2018. "Several hundred police officers were deployed on the premises at the time. Christian Wolters of the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office confirmed to the Volksstimme that a joint search of the property took place with the Federal Criminal Police Office in 2018"

Britische Polizei hat 400 neue Hinweise im Fall Maddie

Durch die Entwicklungen im Maddie-Fall erwachen weitere Vermisstenfälle wieder zum Leben. Eine britische Zeugin will den Verdächtigen erkannt haben.

www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de

In Feb 2016 the BKA search is confirmed as very large by the below. It’s a good source and it’s well before CB was made public.

“More than 100 officers have been investigating the multi-hectare area since the morning hours, a spokesman for the Northern Police Directorate said on Tuesday. The large number of police officers deployed is mainly due to the size of the farm. According to the spokesman, the investigations are directed against a 39-year-old man, who was not present. The Halle Public Prosecutor's Office is in charge.”

Besitz von Kinderpornografie: Razzia in der Börde - WELT

Razzia in der Börde

www.welt.de

 

[frank-cole]

Because of the unfounded claims their client is a murderer of a child which arguably is possibly the most famous certainly in Europe if not the world they may well feel he needs some kind of privacy not least from the press.Take MM out of the equation he's a nobody.

If it’s true that he is one of only 130 people in the entirety of German that is subject to the toughest control measures, then the argument can be made that he certainly isn’t a nobody. Because those conditions have been based on his previous & his likelihood to reoffend. They have nothing to do with MM.