Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #8

[photographer4]

If the McCanns aren’t actively paying a lawyer, could someone be working for them pro bono, or working for them but paid by someone else eg family member? I did find the wording odd and almost seemed designed to mislead.

I found it more odd that the lawyer made remark to the media that the Mccann's won't give a running commentary... I couldn't help but notice the McCann's themselves used the exact same quote in their written statement to the media around the same time. So either they borrowed that phrase from the lawyer, or they coordinated that phrase with the lawyer. It was the exact same wording on that one!

 

[SouthAussie]

How then was CB using a phone OWNED by the Ocean Club? Was he under their employ in some capacity, or did he perhaps STEAL an employee's phone? Is it then possible that that if he stole a phone or borrowed a phone from an employee, that this is why they put out the phone number in the media? If the phone is registered as owned by the Ocean Club... they really have to prove it was in his hands, otherwise his lawyer can just say it wasn't in his name, and he didn't use it at the time or at all.

Perhaps he was given the phone by an employee? They sounded pretty certain that they know it was in his possession. Perhaps the employee/ex-employee has told them this and will swear to it?

They also might be able to prove it, if calls/texts were only made with people that Brueckner knew ... no-one that the employee knew.

 

[photographer4]

Perhaps he was given the phone by an employee? They sounded pretty certain that they know it was in his possession. Perhaps the employee/ex-employee has told them this and will swear to it?

They also might be able to prove it, if calls/texts were only made with people that Brueckner knew ... no-one that the employee knew.

I'm wondering if police tracked down the phone number (who it belonged to at the time), and found it belonged to the Ocean Club... so they approached the club to ask who had the phone at the time... the club coughed up a name of who was supposed to be using it at the time. Betting that someone laid an egg when police showed up to talk to him about it, and advised that CB was using it for whatever reason at the time! This almost sounds to me like someone rolled over hard on CB b/c they were probably terrified of being nailed for the crime themselves if they didn't cough up who was using the phone at the time.

Of course, this assumes someone loaned it to him vs him having stolen it... Either of which is plausible in my view.

 

[shonyakay]

"We know that the phone number, which was used by our suspect on the 3rd of May 2007, was connecting in the mast, belonging to the Ocean Club in Praia Da Luz," Wolters said.

I think it means the cell tower mast? No?

 

[shonyakay]

Link courtesy of Aluve a page or two back.

EXCLUSIVE: German prosecutors reveal new evidence in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

 

[photographer4]

"We know that the phone number, which was used by our suspect on the 3rd of May 2007, was connecting in the mast, belonging to the Ocean Club in Praia Da Luz," Wolters said.

I think it means the cell tower mast? No?

Ohhh! That might be possible! Yes! That would make much more sense to me! Thank you!

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

Ref the ‘we won’t give a running commentary’ phrase: I am fairly sure that LE have used this phrase themselves regularly, so maybe McCanns picked it up from them.

 

[SouthAussie]

"We know that the phone number, which was used by our suspect on the 3rd of May 2007, was connecting in the mast, belonging to the Ocean Club in Praia Da Luz," Wolters said.

I think it means the cell tower mast? No?

Ah yes ... that sounds more like it.

 

[shonyakay]

Ref the ‘we won’t give a running commentary’ phrase: I am fairly sure that LE have used this phrase themselves regularly, so maybe McCanns picked it up from them.

Was going to comment on this. I have heard it from LE in this case before too. Particularly Andy Redwood IIRC.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

It is so sad if LE knew that MM was dead months/years ago at the hands of CB, and couldn’t-for understandable reasons-risk telling the parents. It must feel such a betrayal. You kind of assume they would have some kind of right to know. It must be deeply painful for them. I really don’t know how anyone can get through this horrific situation.

 

[Kikixxxx]

Expert: If I look at his life and his criminal record, he is quite clear about his fantasy of abducting, torturing and f*ck*ng (bleeped out) children to name it, and this could be a serial killer in the making and it is absolutely a red flag, yes.

man that is absolutely horrendous to read imagine what kate and Gerry must be feeling if they read things like that.
Imagine they knew then what they know now back on that night in 2007, feeling so utterly helpless that this monster had taken their daughter and what his sick intentions were. I can’t even imagine honestly, it makes my blood run cold. My blissful ignorance always thought/hoped she was sold off to some couple desperate for a child somewhere abroad. The other scenario was just too painful to contemplate. It’s the absoutle worst possible scenario.

 

[NCanning]

This article is just quoting the tv programme.
However there's also a short video clip of CB's factory. It doesn't look how I'd pictured it in my mind.

Chilling footage shows the inside of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner's 'secret lair' | Daily Mail Online

 

[MajorLang]

But didn't the McCann's say when they said they didn't get a letter from the German LE that they had no lawyer on their payroll?? This was recently in the news... a statement from them... (bolded statement about proof was included when I copied and pasted from the website, but the bold and italics regarding the lawyer are done by me to direct your attention).

Updates: | findmadeleine.com

Kate & Gerry McCann Statement: June 16th, 2020
Since the recent police appeals regarding Madeleine’s disappearance there have been many inaccurate stories reported in the media. The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE. Like many unsubstantiated stories in the media, this has caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives.

As we have stated many times before, we will not give a running commentary on the investigation- that is the job of the law enforcement agencies and we will support them in any way requested. Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers. Any recent comments attributed in the media have not come from us unless they have been posted on our website. If there are important developments that can be made public, they will be issued through official police channels.


Kate and Gerry

I agree and it is confusing because this thread is about CB and that the German police believe they have the suspect and MM is dead.
In the same article it states the McCanns Portuguese lawyer is pressing for information.

So what are we to understand is correct if the parents believe that MM is still alive and they have not been told to the contrary by German LE and that they state they are not "Actively" paying any lawyers?

Are the lawyers being paid by someone else-a fund?
Is the whole article innacurate?
Would the McCanns not currently be paying any legal representative?

Is there any hard evidence that MM was abducted?

 

[shonyakay]

I agree and it is confusing because this thread is about CB and that the German police believe they have the suspect and MM is dead.
In the same article it states the McCanns Portuguese lawyer is pressing for information.

So what are we to understand is correct if the parents believe that MM is still alive and they have not been told to the contrary by German LE and that they state they are not "Actively" paying any lawyers?

According to Wolters, the McCann's received a letter at the end of May informing them that LE was going to announce that they were investigating a murder in relation to Madeleine. Then they were sent another letter after the June 3rd broadcast.

Caso Maddie, il procuratore smentisce i genitori: "Li abbiamo informati che la figlia è morta"

Prosecutor Wolters, did you write to the McCanns or not?
"I personally have not written a single thing: the Federal Police, in coordination with us, and the British police have made contact with the family. But nothing about the content I've read so far: it's just speculation. The truth is that before the broadcast on 3 June we informed the family that we would make a public communication to say that we are investigating for murder and that the child is dead."

So you already informed them that you were investigating for murder before 'Aktenzeichen XY... Ungleoest,' the broadcast that also publicly revealed that there's a new suspect, Christian Brueckner?
"Exact."

So they know there's been a murder investigation for a month. And why did you do that?
"It was a personal, humane decision. We are not obliged to make contact with witnesses - and they are witnesses. But since they're also parents to a missing girl and, in our opinion, dead, we obviously worry about how they are. That's why we wrote a letter before the broadcast: we didn't want to surprise them with the announcement of the murder investigation. After that: it's not that we repeat it in every letter."

I mean, was there another letter? The McCanns claim they have not received any letters.
"Let me point out, meanwhile, that there have never been any phone calls or direct interviews with the McCann family. I even read that we would reveal what evidence we have of the murder thesis: it's all completely wrong and invented. After the broadcast on 3 June, there was a new contact, always in the form of a letter, but I don't even know if it has yet arrived at the McCann family."

And what does this letter say?
"I don't say a word about the content."

 

[MajorLang]

According to Wolters, the McCann's received a letter at the end of May informing them that LE was going to announce that they were investigating a murder in relation to Madeleine. Then they were sent another letter after the June 3rd broadcast.

Caso Maddie, il procuratore smentisce i genitori: "Li abbiamo informati che la figlia è morta"

Prosecutor Wolters, did you write to the McCanns or not?
"I personally have not written a single thing: the Federal Police, in coordination with us, and the British police have made contact with the family. But nothing about the content I've read so far: it's just speculation. The truth is that before the broadcast on 3 June we informed the family that we would make a public communication to say that we are investigating for murder and that the child is dead."

So you already informed them that you were investigating for murder before 'Aktenzeichen XY... Ungleoest,' the broadcast that also publicly revealed that there's a new suspect, Christian Brueckner?
"Exact."

So they know there's been a murder investigation for a month. And why did you do that?
"It was a personal, humane decision. We are not obliged to make contact with witnesses - and they are witnesses. But since they're also parents to a missing girl and, in our opinion, dead, we obviously worry about how they are. That's why we wrote a letter before the broadcast: we didn't want to surprise them with the announcement of the murder investigation. After that: it's not that we repeat it in every letter."

I mean, was there another letter? The McCanns claim they have not received any letters.
"Let me point out, meanwhile, that there have never been any phone calls or direct interviews with the McCann family. I even read that we would reveal what evidence we have of the murder thesis: it's all completely wrong and invented. After the broadcast on 3 June, there was a new contact, always in the form of a letter, but I don't even know if it has yet arrived at the McCann family."

And what does this letter say?
"I don't say a word about the content."

Well-It won't be the first time there had been a public denial in this case and it won't be the last, I'm sure if that.

 

[Aluev]

"We know that the phone number, which was used by our suspect on the 3rd of May 2007, was connecting in the mast, belonging to the Ocean Club in Praia Da Luz," Wolters said.

I think it means the cell tower mast? No?

So a "mast" is referring to a telecom cell tower. 100 yards is a pretty close knit area.

Looking For Madeleine: Updated 2019 Edition

“British telecommunications specialists arrived in the Algarve to assist in analysis of mobile-telephone activity in the area of the Ocean Club at the relevant time. When switched on, even if it is not being used for conversation, texting or other activity, a mobile sends a signal to a mast in the area and a timed log is preserved that shows the approximate location of the telephone - 'within give or take maybe a hundred yards', Gamble told the authors. 'There was a wealth of phone data.'
'On its own initiative,' Gamble said, 'one major telecom provider had captured data relating to the time Madeleine disappeared. That's sounds like a needle-in-a-haystack problem, but it really isn't.'
In the Madeleine case, the hope was twofold. Phone analysis could make it possible for law enforcement to verify the accounts of their movements given by people interviewed. By tracking unrecognised mobile signals, meanwhile, the specialists could try to map the movements of possible abductors.”

 

[shonyakay]

Well-It won't be the first time there had been a public denial in this case and it won't be the last, I'm sure if that.

I don't think it was a flat out denial that they received anything, more like semantics. IMO the MC's were stating that they didn't receive a letter that contained proof that Madeleine was dead.

 

[Lilly b]

I read that they were wanting any info about him being in Spain too, ( sorry can't remember where I saw it) so the malaga thing would fit, I looked at pictures of other ports in Spain, and they didn't seem to have such tall hotels. So defo looks like malaga,

 

[Tim N]

This is the second time I've heard HCW refuse to confirm or deny if they have a video or pictures of MM.

Plus he made an additional cryptic comment, obviously in response to a similar question, along the lines of it being possible CB made a video but they had no proof he did. Many took this as HCW stating they did not have anything but I'm not convinced that's what he meant. If it was, why not just say that in this 60 minutes interview?

They've admitted they don't have any forensic evidence. They've admitted they cannot place CB in the area without somoene confirming that phone was in his hands. Why give away this information, but not outright say they don't have a video/pictures if they don't?

I'm pretty sure they do have something along these lines. IMO.

IMO the evidence is on the usb stick. videos of various people in enough disguise to make it impossible to determine. and in those videos is MM being killed. or worse. i take no pleasure whatsoever in writing that.

 

[Tim N]

Plus he made an additional cryptic comment, obviously in response to a similar question, along the lines of it being possible CB made a video but they had no proof he did.....

this lines up with the story. they cant be sure whos in the video, or who made them because there are multiple people involved.
he is saying that it is possible that CB made it...it seems to me that someone made the content..but they cant be sure who. and thats how they know that shes dead.