Magnotta March Prelim Hearing & Trial Day 1 - Sep 29, 2014 - Thread #1

[Kamille]

Justin Hayward ‏@HaywardCBC · 4m4 minutes ago
Defence at #Magnotta was about to start cross-ex... But now wants a recess for the rest of the day. Problem: witness has to return to China.

What kind of games is LeClair playing here? He needs the afternoon to prepare for a cross examination of a witness who was only scheduled to appear for one day?

 

[Kamille]

Article by Michele Mandel...

http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/09/30/magnotta-trial-crime-scene-photographer-testifies

 

[Kamille]

The judge has asked for an understanding of why he wants the recess, but without the jury and witness present. #Magnotta

By amy minsky via twitter

Lawyers and judge still going back and forth... Jury isn't in the room, therefore under pub ban. #Magnotta

By amy minsky via twitter

Proceedings adjourned until 3:15. #Magnotta

By amy minsky via twitter

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 49s 49 seconds ago

and we're breaking till 3. #Magnotta

http://globalnews.ca/news/1592694/live-coverage-luka-magnotta-trial/

 

[Kamille]

Wow! The board has been down for me for a while but it doesn't look like LeClair is making any friends in that courtroom. Good.

I'll try to get the tweets up.

 

[italianWSfan]

From amy minskys twitter: (http://globalnews.ca/news/1592694/live-coverage-luka-magnotta-trial/)

Sorry if I miss anything....

Feng syas he used Grindr. Leclair has screen shots from the hook-up app, taken at random, he says.

After reading several msm postings,Leclair asks Feng if that's representative. Feng: you can just say you want a cup of coffee.

Feng: Grindr is like Instagram. You can write whatever you want. Leclair continues reading suggestive adds.

Leclair using a handheld device to show Feng's translator headlines "at random." All suggesting hook-ups, sexual encounters, etc.

Feng Lin says he met Jun Lin's parents in Beijing, but before they were a couple. They also met Feng's parents.

Feng said they didn't tell Jun's parent they were a couple because they weren't yet, but then says he told his own parents.

Leclair asked Feng whether Jun Lin's parents wouldn't have accepted their homosexuality. "They simply didn't know," Feng said.

Jun Lin had been married and divorced. Feng and Jun met in China at school. In Mtl, Feng paid rent and for some food.

Feng's parents were aware of his sexuality and supported him. Jun's did not know he was gay. They were very much in love: Feng

 

[Kamille]

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 24m 24 minutes ago

We're back. Jury on its way


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 21m 21 minutes ago

Leclair tells Feng Lin that he feels very bad about what happened to his friend but the trial isn't about him


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 21m 21 minutes ago

The trial is about the mental state of Mr Magnott, he says. And because of that I have to ask you questions about Lin Jun


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 21m 21 minutes ago

I can't believe I'm hearing this, says crown. Counsel is supposed to ask questions, not make comments


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 20m 20 minutes ago

As difficult as this is, I ask that you be as candid with me as you were with Mr Bouthillier, crown attorney, Leclair says


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 20m 20 minutes ago

I have a lot of information about Lin Jun, Leclair says. Crown objects and insists Leclair asks questions


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 20m 20 minutes ago

The more you volunteer information about him, the less I have to confront you about information, Leclair says. Questions, judge says


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 18m 18 minutes ago

Leclair showing screen shots from hook-up site Grindr. Only STD and HIV negative looking over 30


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 18m 18 minutes ago

Do you agree these are ads you see on Grindr? Leclair asks. You could even just put you want cup of coffee Feng Lin says


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 17m 17 minutes ago

Another ad: send picture with first chat, otherwise no chat, Leclair reads from his phone


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 14m 14 minutes ago

Leclair shows another ad of man offering services for oral sex. Feng Lin says one can write anything, looking for someone to have coffee


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 14m 14 minutes ago

Do you agree this one is about a couple looking for a person to have a threesome? Leclair asks


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 13m 13 minutes ago

Did you know Lin Jun was married before and divorced? Yes. Met his parents? yes.


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 13m 13 minutes ago

Feng Lin met Lin Jun's parents in Beijing but they didn't know they were a gay couple; we didn't tell them


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 12m 12 minutes ago

It was June 2010 and we hadn't established our relationship, Feng Lin said. Lin Jun met Feng Lin's parents


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 12m 12 minutes ago

Feng Lin's parents met Lin Jun and accepted that they were gay, witness said. Witness was in love with Lin Jun


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 11m 11 minutes ago

Feng Lin is six months younger than Lin Jun, he says. he's software company manager in Shenzhen


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 10m 10 minutes ago

Were you supporting Lin Jun here in Montreal? I would offer him a little help, witness said


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 9m 9 minutes ago

Feng Lin paid rent and for some food while in Montreal


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 8m 8 minutes ago

Met while studying French language in the same school. Jury member needs break. back soon

 

[Kamille]

What does any of this have to do with why LM killed Lin Jun? I don't think LeClair is going to be very favourable to this jury which is going to hurt his client.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 8m 8 minutes ago

and we're back


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 5m 5 minutes ago

Crown, via police, have taken Lin Jun's laptop and iPhone. were you aware of that? yes, Feng Lin says


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 1m 1 minute ago

Lin Jun adopted the name Justin because he loved a song called Rain, Feng Lin said

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Asks if he uses Skype, which he does. #Magnotta

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 4m4 minutes ago
Leclair has up a display of Chrome downloads. Discussing a Chinese social networking site. Notes Jun Lin had more than one profile #Magnotta

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 53s53 seconds ago
Def lawyer says Jun Lin posted pic of empty subway train with caption "Midnight train cannibalism" #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 3m 3 minutes ago

Sino Webo is xtremely popular social media in China; cross between facebook and twitter

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Leclair asking about Sino Webo, Twitter/Facebook hybrid seen a lot in China. #Magnotta

 

[italianWSfan]

First I was thinking Leclair is trying to make it look like Jun Lin was into bondage and maybe S&M, say make it look like LM just didnt know how far he can go and so the situation between the two escalated?
But he is indeed asking many strange questions.

By amy minsky via twitter:

Leclair has up a display of Chrome downloads. Discussing a Chinese social networking site. Notes Jun Lin had more than one profile

One alias Jun Lin had on the site was apparently the same as someone with a bit role in Twilight. Feng says that's a coincidence

Leclair asks whether Feng and Jun went to Sky (bar in Village), and if he remembers meeting a French Canadian man.

Feng: Yes we went to Sky, but I don't know which French Canadian you are speaking about.

Leclair mentions Etienne Lacroix and suggests Jun "had more than a passing interest in him," Feng sys he doesn't know the guy

Leclair corrects himself. Not Etienne, but Emil Lacroix. #Magnotta . Feng says he still doesn't know him.

Leclair suggests Jun Lin & Emile Lacroix Skyped and slept together on may 19. Feng says we were split, so Jun had all his freedom

 

[Kamille]

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 7m7 minutes ago
One alias Jun Lin had on the site was apparently the same as someone with a bit role in Twilight. Feng says that's a coincidence #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 3m 3 minutes ago

Do you have an account on Grindr? No, Feng Lin says. Were you aware Lin Jun had account? yes i was


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 4m 4 minutes ago

Did you go to Sky bar in the gay village? Yes. With Lin Jun? Yes. Do you remember him meeting Fr Cdn guy. Etienne Lacroix? No


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 3m 3 minutes ago

And Lin Jun had more than a passing interest in him? Leclair asks. I'm not aware of such a person, Feng Lin says


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 27s 27 seconds ago

They had split up by the time Feng Lin left Canada so Lin Jun "had all his freedom" witness says

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 22s22 seconds ago
Leclair suggests Jun Lin & Emile Lacroix Skyped and slept together on may 19. Feng says we were split, so Jun had all his freedom #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

Where is he going with this? Using the boyfriend to drag Jun Lin's name through the mud? For what purpose? He was asking for it? He suggested to LM to do this? Why is he doing this? I hope it's coming across to the jury the same as it is to me. Totally unnecessary and hurtful to the victim's family and his memory.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 3m 3 minutes ago

would you sometimes go to top of Sky bar? I only went there once, witness said.


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 32s 32 seconds ago

Did Lin Jun (Justin) go to Sky bar on his own? During the period i was with him, for sure, for sure he didn't

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Witness being grilled about these friends whose Canadian names were Levi and Mark. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Leclair challenging witness, who says he doesn't know their Chinese names. #Magnotta

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 2m2 minutes ago
Typical defence tactic of maligning the victim is in progress. #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 22s 22 seconds ago

I'm suggesting to you that there's a lot of things that you do not know about Justin, Lecair says. Crown objects. Leclair moves on


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 33s 34 seconds ago

Are you cleaning your with a computer? Leclair reads from texts.


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · now

Ask a simple question, judge tells Leclair

 

[Kamille]

Judge is also growing impatient with LeClair. This can only bode well for a lot less sympathy for LM.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 39s39 seconds ago
"You didn't know that he took coffee enemas," Leclair tells Jun Lin's ex. Says he was aware #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 29s30 seconds ago
Witness asked if he was surprised #JunLin used coffee enemas before sex with someone else. #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 35s 36 seconds ago

I suggest to you that Justin took coffee enema. Translator doesn't understand. People who have constipation, Leclair says. Ah!!

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 59s59 seconds ago
To have sex? Leclair asks.No, for his health, witness says. Is this for real? #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 53s53 seconds ago
Witness says it was for health purposes. #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 52s 52 seconds ago

And we're taking yet another break in #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Jury dismissed while they discuss how long this cross exam will take and if the day needs to go longer. #Magnotta

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 4m4 minutes ago
I'm not certain how Leclair's line of questioning pertains to his client's psychological state. #Magnotta

 

[italianWSfan]

Thanks Kamille. Cant keep up with your updates, so will leave it to you :blushing:

Oh no. so many intimate details which dont play any role in this murder, IMO.

 

[Kamille]

Lots of comments in twitter land about this line of questioning and why it's happening considering we are not trying to determine that LJ may have been killed by someone else.

:thinking:

 

[Kamille]

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 3m3 minutes ago
Court resumes in #Magnotta. jury told they will be staying late so they can finish with Feng Lin, who has flight back to China tomorrow.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Judge tells jury they have about another hour left with this witness Feng Lin. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Cross exam resumes: back to Sina Weibo. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Leclair suggests #JunLin posted pic of himself on Sina Weibo on Valentine's Dayurple hair, missing teeth.Witness can't recall. #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago
In photo he had broken and missing teeth and title was my self portrait.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
How close were friend Benjamin and #JunLin? Close, witness says. Saw each other 1-2x a week. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness lists circle of friends they had including Wilson. Doesn't know Chinese name. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness names Marty. Knows last name through Facebook. #Magnotta

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 29s29 seconds ago
Leclair: were you aware Jun Lin was "caught in a situation" at Concordia University? Feng: Like arrested? #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 46s46 seconds ago
Still have Facebook account? Yes. Aware of situation #JunLin had at Concordia? Caught by administration? Yes, witness says. #Magnotta

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 37s37 seconds ago
Leclair: No, caught by the admin. Feng: I knew of one case. I think he was accused of plagiarism. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 40s40 seconds ago
Witness says he doesn't know much about it, matter #JunLin could settle by himself. #Magnotta

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 24s24 seconds ago
Why didn't you know about this if you guys were lovers and living together? Feng: Cause he could resolve this himself w/o my help #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 48s49 seconds ago
Leclair says he lost 10 points because of it. Witness sticks to his story. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 40s41 seconds ago
Leclair suggests friend Benjamin was involved. Witness says doesn't know. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 33s33 seconds ago
He must have been upset, Leclair says. Asks what course it was. No idea, witness says. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 30s30 seconds ago
When did you break up? Before I left Montreal for China, not a particular time, date. Talked about it for awhile, Feng Lin says. #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Leclair says it was a full breakup since #JunLin moved to another address in Cote-des-Neiges. Witness agrees. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Feng Lin says they broke up because #JunLin was pressured by family into marrying a girl. #Magnotta

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 1m1 minute ago
Feng repeats they broke up 'cause of pressure from Lin's parents. Leclair: "i suggest" you broke up cause he found you controlling #magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 2m 2 minutes ago

Leclair says witness not telling truth. that's not reason you broke up, it was because you were controlling, leclair says.
absolutely not

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness denies it. "Absolutely not." #Magnotta

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 1m1 minute ago
Interviewed by Mtrl police at his apt. told them Jun Lin can "hook up with total strangers." #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Asked about police officers who questioned him about #JunLin. Suggests witness told them ex-lover hooked up with strangers. #Magnotta

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 58s59 seconds ago
"i did say something like that," ex-lover agrees, that Jun Lin hooked up using gay social web #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Back to Chrome: referring to a gay movie. #Magnotta


suemontgomery @MontgomerySue · 4s 4 seconds ago

Witness repeats that he and Lin Jun were "absolutely not" into S and M

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 42s42 seconds ago
Witness not aware of it. Leclair names other films with crude Xrated titles re:gay he says #JunLin downloaded. #Magnotta

 

[Kamille]

If the crown starts bringing out everything found on LM's computer one post at a time regarding , gay , the 70 Facebook accts he maintained, the hundreds profiles on various websites, including gay dating sites...that will take at least a year just for that. And that would be relevant to his manipulating ways and pre planning of everything. SMH