Magnotta March Prelim Hearing & Trial Day 1 - Sep 29, 2014 - Thread #1

[Sillybilly]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 24s24 seconds ago
Guilty of sexual abuse of a young person, minor, & sex assault, 4 yrs jail? Banned from job supervision, education of youths?

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 16s16 seconds ago
Leclair listing more counts of sexual abuse of minor and a sexual assaut. Rubert banned from working with young people

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 43s43 seconds ago
So German witness has pretty unsavory criminal record. But he's not the one on trial, #Magnotta is.

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 41s41 seconds ago
1997, again convicted of sex with a minor, with violence. Got 4 years this time. Committed to psychiatric hospital

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 1m1 minute ago
More sexual abuse and assault of minors. Given four years of jail, told to go to a psychiatric hospital. #

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 44s45 seconds ago
Then committed to a psychiatric hospital? Witness says what you want to do for your defendant, I was quite awake at that time

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 22s22 seconds ago
I did what you would like to do today in order not to go to jail. I said I would go to such an institution.In Germany, 1/2

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 11s11 seconds ago
Rubert says he went to psychiatric institution to avoid jail

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 11s11 seconds ago
there they stay for 3 mos and get out

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 40s41 seconds ago
"I did what you would like to do today (for #Magnotta) maybe in order not to go to jail" agreed to go to a psych hosp instead, Rubert says..

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 30s30 seconds ago
You can see who's mentally sick. You have made a good performance in order not to go to jail, witness says

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 39s39 seconds ago
I could see who was mentally sick and who wasn't, Rubert said. they said i put on a good show not to go to jail

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 34s35 seconds ago
Rubert was told he delivered a good performance to avoid jail

 

[Kamille]

Credit card fraud. Much was made of his mental illness at his trial.
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/n...magnottas-mind/article4446492/?service=mobile

So Leclair is proving that FR is actually more deviant than LM. I bet he never hacked anyone up. Just saying...

MOO

 

[Sillybilly]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 45s45 seconds ago
Must have been reason to send you to psych hospital, Leclair says. Witness insists no

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 37s37 seconds ago
"I was told I made a good performance in order not to go to jail." Released from psych hospital right away, #Magnotta witness says.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 45s45 seconds ago
Witness says if you want to talk about psychiatric illness, there are different forms, such as an alcoholic

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 49s49 seconds ago
Leclair: You must have had psychiatric illness. No, said Rubert. There are diff kinds, like someone who drinks a lot of alcohol #

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 30s30 seconds ago
Somebody who's 50 who likes 16 or 17-yr-olds,even if somebody is sadistic,kills them,cuts them into pieces, that's not normal

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 14s14 seconds ago
Or people who kills people and cuts them into pieces is also not normal. In German it's called personality disturbance

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 39s39 seconds ago
In Germany they call that a disturbance of personality, witness says

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 15s15 seconds ago
Witness denies vehemently that he has such a disorder

Stephane Giroux ‏@SGirouxCTV · 11s12 seconds ago
Rubert gives a lesson in German law to Leclair. Looks like he's got experience

:floorlaugh:

 

[Kamille]

OMG....Frank Rupert went there. Pretty much told Leclair that he did exactly what his client is trying to do. Pretended he was mentally ill to get out of going to prison!!

This guy is witness gold!! Never ask a question you don't know the answer to Leclair. Attorney rule numero uno.

:floorlaugh:

MOO

 

[LoyalSleuth]

regardless of FR's past sexual / pedo charges, he met and was with LM after LM murdered JL, so this has no relevance on who LM was or why he murdered JL.

I think defence is trying to paint the picture that LM was abused, molested and raped by all these john's and that's why he is insane and became a murderer... Whatever... LM is a sicko and was before he met FR or JL for that matter.

 

[Sillybilly]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 22s23 seconds ago
Also many people in Germany who are in jail,consciously make an expertise, take risk of personality disturbance to avoid prison

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 42s43 seconds ago
there are people sitting in jail in Germany who claim they have personality disturbance to avoid going to jail for 10 years

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 33s33 seconds ago
So you had diagnosis of mental disorder? Witness says if you want to put it that way, that I have a personality disorder

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 34s34 seconds ago
Rubert has been given a psych diagnosis of personality disorder but doesn't mean one is crazy, he says. #

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 34s34 seconds ago
Doesn't mean a person is crazy in his mind, when people drink alcohol or take drugs they are not crazy in their mind

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 43s44 seconds ago
Rubert: I am working with older people (he earlier said he was a caregiver) and I get along with them

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 32s33 seconds ago
I've been working with elderly and get along with them. you want to suggest I'm crazy, then I wouldn't have come to Canada

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 30s31 seconds ago
You want to suggest I'm crazy, I wouldn't have come to Canada

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 28s28 seconds ago
2002, guilty of false suspicion, jail and probation? 3 yrs probation, witness says.

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 22s22 seconds ago
And without missing a beat, Leclair just goes right back to reading Rubert's rap sheet and ask questions about it

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 27s27 seconds ago
Witness says there's someone in jail who owes him money and when he got it back he took back declaration and he was charged.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 16s16 seconds ago
2003, guilty distributing ? Witness says not right, it's blablabla

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 47s47 seconds ago
Here in Canada may be different, in Germany to be left in peace, you say, do what you want to do. I paid the fine

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 45s46 seconds ago
Over 100 convictions in criminal record? Witness says no, 100 cases maybe. I'm not that old

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 40s41 seconds ago
Over 100 convictions in criminal record.And Rubert said "it's not possible" "maybe 100 cases". "I'm not that old.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 38s39 seconds ago
Over 100 convictions on Rubert's record, Leclair says. Maybe 100 cases, Rubert says, but not 100 judgments; I'm not that old

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 35s36 seconds ago
At times there were 24 counts, Leclair says. Yes, but they aren't 100 judgments, Rubert says

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 33s34 seconds ago
Defence says there were 24 counts in once case for example. Witness says there may have been one judgement for that

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 45s46 seconds ago
Rubert: If Mr. #Magnotta is found guilty on all charges, he'll have one judgement, not five.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 27s28 seconds ago
If #Magnotta is found guilty in five counts, you'll only have one judgment. I will go back to Germany, lie down and sleep, Rubert says

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 15s16 seconds ago
Rubert: But if you want to say 100, fine. i don't care. i'll go back to Germany and relax

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 19s19 seconds ago
Translator asks for a break. Gott sei Dank!

Sidhartha Banerjee ‏@sidhartha_b · 36s36 seconds ago
Translator asks for a break after 1 1/2 hours of testy exchanges between #Magnotta lawyer and witness Rubert

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 34s34 seconds ago
#Magnotta translator begs for a break. We are adjourned for 20

 

[Rayemonde]

I hope he's not going to argue that JL had similar dodgy intentions when he met up with LM? :/ like, maybe it was self-defence or at least JL tried something that triggered a psychotic episode in LM.

 

[Sillybilly]

Double Danke, Mr. Translator !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kamille]

regardless of FR's past sexual / pedo charges, he met and was with LM after LM murdered JL, so this has no relevance on who LM was or why he murdered JL.

I think defence is trying to paint the picture that LM was abused, molested and raped by all these john's and that's why he is insane and became a murderer... Whatever... LM is a sicko and was before he met FR or JL for that matter.

BBM

Yes but does he know Emile Lacroix? :floorlaugh:

 

[Kamille]

I hope he's not going to argue that JL had similar dodgy intentions when he met up with LM? :/ like, maybe it was self-defence or at least JL tried something that triggered a psychotic episode in LM.

Well that would be a lucky coincidence for all those folks in the deep web who had been waiting for the video for days/weeks.

MOO

 

[Rayemonde]

I think defence is trying to paint the picture that LM was abused, molested and raped by all these john's and that's why he is insane and became a murderer... Whatever... LM is a sicko and was before he met FR or JL for that matter.[\QUOTE]

Yep... What did the kittens and puppies ever do to LM? I don't think he's been charged or convicted of animal cruelty though so the jury won't be able to take that into account... I think it's very important though because it shows a pattern of sadistic behaviour.

 

[Morbida]

Oh man, I feel so bad about finding humor in a murder trial, but this is hilarious.

 

[Sillybilly]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 59s60 seconds ago
Jury back, resumption of cross examination of Berlin witness.

 

[Kamille]

Oh man, I feel so bad about finding humor in a murder trial, but this is hilarious.

Following this stuff as much as we do, you have to take the humorous moments when you can find them to lighten the mood. Otherwise, we'd all end up with PTSD from trying to understand just how these things happen and how some people get away with it.

MOO

 

[Sillybilly]

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 10s10 seconds ago
Rubert basically says, "sure, why not."

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 55s56 seconds ago
Witness says there are 24 judgements

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 38s39 seconds ago
Criminal record filed into evidence

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 21s22 seconds ago
Luc Leclair asks witness about #Magnotta arriving at his apt in Berlin. Suggests that when he saw all the $$$ he had, he said, 1/2

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 38s38 seconds ago
When you saw how much money #Magnotta had you put it in black box on shelf, right, Leclair asks

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 36s36 seconds ago
Leclair: when #Magnotta arrived at his apt. you told him that you'll take care of his money and put it into a black box he had on a shelf

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
2/2 "Let me take care of it." And that he'd put it in a black box

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 37s38 seconds ago
Rubert: When #Magnotta showed me his money, I said we shouldn't have so much on us when we go out. He agreed.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 35s36 seconds ago
Rubert says #Magnotta had money in a sock and he told him not to keep so much money on him when they went out

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 40s40 seconds ago
Witness says told #Magnotta that when they go out, they shouldn't have so much money on them.Don't remember but put $ in glass cupboard.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 38s38 seconds ago
I put it in a glass cupboard and each time we went shopping, we took money from it, Rubert says. It was a bundle

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 40s41 seconds ago
#Magnotta told me to take as much as I wanted, what mine is yours, yours is mine, Rubert said

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 40s41 seconds ago
Insists #Magnotta told him he could take whatever cash he wanted, "what's mine is yours and yours is mine."

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 45s45 seconds ago
But you told him what is yours is mine and what is mine is yours, Leclair says. You weren't there when we spoke, Rubert says

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 32s32 seconds ago
Leclair suggests it was Rubert who said to #Magnotta "What's yours is mine, why's mine is yours,." Rubert says Leclair wasn't there.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 47s48 seconds ago
When #magnotta came from Paris, he said you can take and pay for whatever you want, he paid rent, he gave money to others

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 39s40 seconds ago
Rubert: When #Magnotta came form Paris, he told me you can take what you want. He paid rent, he also offered money to several people.

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 21s22 seconds ago
says #Magnotta paid him rent and offered money to many ppl. He bankrolled everything as we went out.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Getting crowded in here:

(8 members and 13 guests)

 

[Sillybilly]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Witness says #Magnotta told him you can take and pay whatever you want.He also offered money to several people and paid for a lot of things.

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 40s41 seconds ago
Rubert: I was not really unhappy because it's usually me who pays for everything.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 26s27 seconds ago
When #Magnotta was arrested, he had about 200 or 300 Euro on him, Rubert says

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 14s15 seconds ago
Yep, that's what i wrote, Rubert said. But, I hadn't seen him live yet, just his profile

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 43s44 seconds ago
Witness says ok if I wrote that, then I said it. But he says he had only seen the profile of

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 28s29 seconds ago
May 31, 2012 at 2:34 p.m. Rubert wrote #Magnotta online: "You can stay as long as you want." because you thought he was a young boy: lawyer

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 16s17 seconds ago
Rubert: Yes, I told him he could stay with me as long as he wants. But that was before I actually met him

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 58s58 seconds ago
Defence says witness thought #Magnotta was young boy online and told him he could stay as long as he wants

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 24s24 seconds ago
But when he showed up at bus station, you said Oh my God, this is not what I thought, Leclair said

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 17s17 seconds ago
Defence suggests witness was disappointed when #Magnotta arrived, saw he was not a young boy, "Oh my god" and plans changed

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 44s45 seconds ago
Rupert: No, he contacted me first. I wrote back. And a conversation started. I have to say I didn't even believe he'd come to GER

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 24s25 seconds ago
There are many people from East Europe who write to elderly men and say I love you, want to live with you, Rubert says

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 59s59 seconds ago
Witness denies, saying he didn't believe that #Magnotta would come anyway since he was so good-looking and frauders abound on website.

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 54s54 seconds ago
Lawyer says when #Magnotta showed up, realized he's a man, not a boy & he no longer wanted him."So that was the end of that plan, right?"

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 1m1 minute ago
Leclair said that Rubert wanted wanted him to come stay with him because he thought he was a young boy

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 35s36 seconds ago
With #Magnotta I thought it was similar, that he wouldn't come. He didn't ask for money and I was happy I didn't have to pay

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 35s36 seconds ago
With #Magnotta I thought it was similar, that he wouldn't come. He didn't ask for money and I was happy I didn't have to pay

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 53s54 seconds ago
Leclair said though when he showed up at bus station, you said 'Oh my God, this is not what I thought,'

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Witness says #Magnotta didn't write he had money. I was happy that I didn't have to pay &tried to find out on web about a Paris-Berlin bus.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
I tried to find out if there really was a bus coming from paris to berlin because #Magnotta told me the schedule. I was curious: Rubert

 

[Sillybilly]

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 44s44 seconds ago
I didn't know if he had money and didn't want to take him with me. But since I'd agreed he come, I couldn't leave him at station

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 2m2 minutes ago
Rupert: And your'e right. When I saw him, I wasn't attracted to him. I didn't know he had money & I didn't want to take him home.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Witness didn't even want to take him home but respected his agreement with #Magnotta. Maybe find a place for him later.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 54s54 seconds ago
I was going to find a place where he would be better off than with me, Rubert says

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
I think I've already said this about 20 times, Rubert said

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 1m1 minute ago
"You wanted to get rid of him as quickly as possible" #Magnotta lawyer

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
So 1st thought was how to get rid of him as quickly as possible, defence asks?Witness repeats #Magnotta arrived with long hair & black bag.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
Leclair: You wanted to get rid of him as quickly as possible.

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 58s58 seconds ago
Felt duped, #Magnotta said he was 22 or 23, pic looks like that and then completely different person shows up.

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 58s58 seconds ago
Felt duped, #Magnotta said he was 22 or 23, pic looks like that and then completely different person shows up.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness admits he did think to himself, how do I get rid of him?

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 2m2 minutes ago
Gruelling X-exam continues of #Magnotta's Berlin http://roommate.Lawyer accuses him of wanting to get hands on his money.

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 1m1 minute ago
Leclair: So even though you first wanted to get rid of him, once you saw his money you decided you wanted to keep him around

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
And your second plan was how to get his money, defence asks? No,no, no,no, witness says.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness says if #Magnotta had all that money, then could get a haircut & new clothes. &if you see the photos after, he didn't look that bad.

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 2m2 minutes ago
Rubert: No. I said if he has so much money he could go hairdresser, buy some clothes. But I couldn't forget my first impression

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Witness insists then, #Magnotta "wasn't his case anymore." Witness took him to gay bars so he could meet somebody. Wouldn't have minded.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
If #Magnotta had met other men, I wouldn't have minded if he went home with someone else, Rubert says

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 1m1 minute ago
But even with his makeover, Rubert still not attracted to #Magnotta.

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 1m1 minute ago
Rubert: We went to bars where he could meet people. If he had met someone there who he wanted to move with, I would have been fine

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
So when in Bar Pinokkio, met two male prostitutes, took one in washroom and you paid him 50 euros you took from #Magnotta? Same with other?

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
In Pinocchio bar you met two Romanian prostitutes. You took one in washroom and paid him 50 euros from #Magnotta. Leclairs charges

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
No, no,no says witness. We were in Blue Boy Bar, also Pinokkio Bar, defendant has to put it the right way

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
I know #Magnotta was very generous w/these Romanian people. Days later,told when he was already arrested,nobody had thought he was the one.

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 55s56 seconds ago
Rubert: No, we were at a bar and your defendant has to put it right. I know that very evening, #Magnotta was very generous with these

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 45s46 seconds ago
Possible that i paid 50 euros, Rubert says. #Magnotta said i couldn't pay. He said that he had liked the evening a lot

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 30s31 seconds ago
Witness says #Magnotta told him the next he liked the bars and asked how to get their on his own.

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 57s58 seconds ago
Rubert says they were in these bars and #Magnotta was generous with his cash. He even wanted to go back the day he was arrested.

 

[Sillybilly]

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 57s58 seconds ago
Rubert says they were in these bars and #Magnotta was generous with his cash. He even wanted to go back the day he was arrested.

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 46s47 seconds ago
Rubert: If #Magnotta gives away his money, that's his business.

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 46s47 seconds ago
Talking about when #Magnotta passed his friend 50 euro, Rubert says he wouldn't give a stranger 50 euro just cause it's his b-day.

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 46s47 seconds ago
Talking about when #Magnotta passed his friend 50 euro, Rubert says he wouldn't give a stranger 50 euro just cause it's his b-day. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
A lot because you weren't working at the time? I'm always working, witness says

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness says inherited from aunt 500,000 euros. 50 euro is nothing for me.

amy minsky ‏@amyminsky · 1m1 minute ago
(... But Rubert brought a stranger into his house and said earlier he'd given #Magnotta a set of keys to his house)

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 32s32 seconds ago
Defence suggests the inheritance was the following year. Witness says got it from great-aunt, even got money from grandmother

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 31s32 seconds ago
Witness doesn't know how much money #Magnotta brought into the apt and if someone offers him 50 euro, he'll take it, rich or poor.

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 39s40 seconds ago
Rubert: when someone says to take it. I take it then. Even if I'm rich. #magnotta said had money and would get more from friend who left him

Michele Mandel ‏@MandelSun · 39s40 seconds ago
#Magnotta trial done for day. X-exam continues tomorrow.

 

[Sillybilly]

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Defence suggests adjournment. We are back tomorrow with the same witness.