Malaysia airlines 370 with 239 people on board, 8 March 2014 #25

[SeriouslySearching]

Can anyone link any reason why "Intel" today is now saying that it was a deliberate act for sure? what changed in the last 24 hours for them to declare that today??

I wondered the same thing as I watched the coverage on CNN. They were adamant about it today, but they stopped short of blaming the pilots which I found just as interesting. Talking heads were trying to lay that blame.

As to the zipper conundrum...it is probably nylon or plastic. It won't rust nor change color if it is one color all the way through. (If it is a color other than white, it can fade.) The luggage could definitely be from the plane and I would expect even more items to wash up.

Here is one answer to the question of mold and the ocean:

In an environment of salt water, a mold spore is in the same situation as a person on a lifeboat on the ocean -- all the water around it is poison. Unlike the person in the lifeboat, though, the mold spore has no choice but to drink. Salt water contains a lower concentration of water molecules than fresh water, and to achieve equilibrium, water molecules flow through the spore membrane, killing the spore by dehydration.

Read more : http://www.ehow.com/info_8138472_salt-kill-mold.html

 

[restarea]

"The plane debris will be transported to France on Friday evening, a spokeswoman for the Paris prosecutor's office said. Agnes Thibault-Lecuivre said the piece will arrive in Paris on Saturday and will be sent to Toulouse, the site of the nearest office of the BEA, the French authority responsible for civil aviation accident investigations."


2 more days. :|

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Evidently, eruptions from that particular volcano happen with some frequency.

Le Piton de la Fournaise:

http://volcano.si.edu/volcano.cfm?vn=233020

 

[SeriouslySearching]

"The plane debris will be transported to France on Friday evening, a spokeswoman for the Paris prosecutor's office said. Agnes Thibault-Lecuivre said the piece will arrive in Paris on Saturday and will be sent to Toulouse, the site of the nearest office of the BEA, the French authority responsible for civil aviation accident investigations."


2 more days. :|

It is going to take some time. Think of it as an exercise in patience. We already know with great certainty it is from MH370. The other information to be gleaned from it will come in due time.

 

[bestill]

I think the zipper on the luggage is plastic, if it were metal it would have corroded in the salt water.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

The recent discovery of what appears to be a component of a 777 is fascinating, but it's probably best to remain cautiously optimistic as the investigation continues. The victims' families have waited 16 months for something definitive, but based on comments from surviving loved ones, they might not be satisfied without remains. It's doubtful that all victims' bodies will ever be recovered, but I hope and pray that their families and friends will gain some degree of closure through a better understanding of what happened to the plane. :moo:

 

[bestill]

Reports of additional items found, a Chinese water bottle and Indonesian cleaning product container.

 

[ilovepierre]

Would they get mold while underwater? I would think that would only happen when exposed to air.

I tried looking it up, and couldn't find any answers.
All I found was that mold can be caused by salt water, but not it can GROW underwater...
I don't think it can, because mold needs oxygen to grow, and there won't be any underwater.

JMO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Jul 31 2015, 9:29 am ET

MH370 Search: Reunion Beachcombers Sift Through Scrap for Signs of Jet

by Bill Neely and Yuka Tachibana

SAINT-ANDRE, Reunion — The trash washing up on this paradise island's beaches is suddenly far from typical.

Bottles and bits of plastic — a familiar foe to beach cleaners — on the shores of Reunion were being eyed as evidence in the hunt for clues on the fate of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370.

Beach cleaners scouring the sands have been handing their finds over to local police, wary that one man's trash could be a treasure-trove of information...

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...hcombers-sift-through-scrap-signs-jet-n401486

 

[Katerz]

Reports of additional items found, a Chinese water bottle and Indonesian cleaning product container.

Oh I pray this is from MH370. Those families need answers!


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[restarea]

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If this bottle is open like someone was drinking out of it and the lid is intact, I would imagine they'd be able to get dna from the rim?

 

[Katerz]

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If this bottle is open like someone was drinking out of it and the lid is intact, I would imagine they'd be able to get dna from the rim?

If it wasn't destroyed in the salt water.. I'd imagine they could. Or if the people who found it didn't cross contaminate their DNA with it. I'm no expert but I don't think DNA can survive that long in water?

That label looks way too unwaterfied (couldn't think of a word lol) to be in the water for over a year though..

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[Tssiemer]

I just... what do they think happened? The plane deteriorated enough and broke apart and now things from inside the plane are surfacing?


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[restarea]

If it wasn't destroyed in the salt water.. I'd imagine they could. Or if the people who found it didn't cross contaminate their DNA with it. I'm no expert but I don't think DNA can survive that long in water?

That label looks way too unwaterfied (couldn't think of a word lol) to be in the water for over a year though..

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Now that you mention it, it seems unlikely the label would even stay on after all that time. This might just be trash from lazy boaters.

 

[ilovepierre]

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If this bottle is open like someone was drinking out of it and the lid is intact, I would imagine they'd be able to get dna from the rim?

After so much time has passed, it's doubtful any useful DNA will be there.
If this water bottle is from MH370, then it's been in the sea for over a year.
Not much, if any, DNA will be salvageable.

JMO.

 

[ilovepierre]

I just... what do they think happened? The plane deteriorated enough and broke apart and now things from inside the plane are surfacing?


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Yep, could be possible.
And with currents and such, this debris could be floating in from another area.
I read up thread that there is an active underwater volcano in the area, and that could very well be playing a part in the debris washing up.

 

[Hatfield]

I just... what do they think happened? The plane deteriorated enough and broke apart and now things from inside the plane are surfacing?


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Its too early to know much yet.

I think the predominant theory is the large piece just washed up recently from someplace else where the plane sits much further away.
Whether it be Maldives area (my theory too) OR Perth area OR some other area.

But another theory that I have not seen mentioned is what if the plane was trying to crash land right near that island? Perhaps the pilot saw that island and was trying to land it there?

Hopefully searchers will use sonar around that island too.

Like what if it was like the Iowa disaster where hydraulics were broke and the pilot was using thrust to make left turns only and they managed to get a heading out towards that area and saw the island and went for a ditching.

Probably not. I am leaning to the Maldive theory because the timing of the witnesses seeing a low flying plane extremely low on same morning as it went missing is just too coincidental to me.
I think the pilot was trying to crash land the plane near the Maldives island in shallow water and expected a rescue. I think there is a chance he was waiting for daylight and was doing circles near the Maldives until morning and then went for the ditching.

I think he purposely flew low to be sure he was spotted and hoped for a rescue. I think the problem was he landed too far out in the shallow waters near one of the Maldives and it stayed mostly in tact and nobody has found it yet.

Were there any recent severe storms about 1 month or so ago near the Maldives that would have broken up the planes pieces where this chunk broke off and drifted?

 

[ElleElle]

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If this bottle is open like someone was drinking out of it and the lid is intact, I would imagine they'd be able to get dna from the rim?

Not if it has been in salt water, which would wash away the DNA.

 

[ElleElle]

I just... what do they think happened? The plane deteriorated enough and broke apart and now things from inside the plane are surfacing?


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MH370 could have been on auto-pilot and glided into the sea, instead of a hard landing.

 

[CD82]

MH370 could have been on auto-pilot and glided into the sea, instead of a hard landing.

IMO, no matter how hard (or soft) the plane hit the water, the items that are buoyant will float and/or stay closer to the surface, while the large, heavy parts (fuselage, landing gear, etc) will sink to the bottom of the ocean. It looks like whatever stayed towards the surface was picked up by currents and is finally reaching land.