Malaysia airlines 370 with 239 people on board, 8 March 2014 #25

[LinasK]

Washed up wing part IS from missing Flight MH370: 515 days after it vanished, Malaysian PM says we can finally be sure jet crashed into sea
Malaysian PM confirms debris on Reunion Island is that from MH370
Najib Razak said he could confirm that the Boeing 777 has crashed in sea
Today officials in France began examining the wing fragment for clues
It was found on a beach in French Reunion Island, in the Indian Ocean

By Jennifer Newton and Corey Charlton and Richard Shears for MailOnline

Published: 07:44 EST, 5 August 2015 | Updated: 01:12 EST, 6 August 2015



I hadn't read the article yesterday, in June 2014 experts thought debris would hit west of Indonesia’s Sumatra island 1st. They felt the anti-clockwise direction would have carried it from where they're searching to the North East

From this article: The flight apparently veered out over the Indian Ocean, flying for hours after its communications and tracking systems were shut off,

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...jet-Maldives-correct-along.html#ixzz3iA50mwLE

This alone suggests to me it was no accident, it was deliberate.
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[Intermezzo]

Have followed but not as closely lately. Has Boeing chimed in on the flaperon? Read in our paper today that France investigators are not sure the flaperon belongs to MH370. Any info appreciated. Thanks.

Neither Boeing nor the French authorities have stated with certainty that the flaperon belongs to MH370.

Malaysia PM has made a statement saying the flaperon belonged to MH 370.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...aperon-investigation/articleshow/48374770.cms

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak's announcement in the pre-dawn hours of Thursday that the part, known as a flaperon, did indeed come from the doomed aircraft was at odds with the message from authorities in France, the US and Australia, who have stopped short of full confirmation.

But at a news conference in Paris, Deputy Prosecutor Serge Mackowiak declined to confirm the debris belonged to Flight 370, though he said there were strong indications that it did.

 

[Only4Justice]

I found this link that shows the spread of debris over time. The graphics show what a miracle it was to have any part of the plane beach on Reunion Island.
I wonder if there are any uninhabited islands east and southeast of Reunion that are more in line with the currents.
Also this link seems to have the biggest collection of graphics with links to other articles I have seen.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/03/17/world/asia/search-for-flight-370.html

Thanks for posting this! Great information and synopsis.


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[Roselvr]

Neither Boeing nor the French authorities have stated with certainty that the flaperon belongs to MH370.

Malaysia PM has made a statement saying the flaperon belonged to MH 370.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...aperon-investigation/articleshow/48374770.cms

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak's announcement in the pre-dawn hours of Thursday that the part, known as a flaperon, did indeed come from the doomed aircraft was at odds with the message from authorities in France, the US and Australia, who have stopped short of full confirmation.

But at a news conference in Paris, Deputy Prosecutor Serge Mackowiak declined to confirm the debris belonged to Flight 370, though he said there were strong indications that it did.

here is the transcript of his speech

Full statement from Malaysia Airlines

"8 Aug 2015: Malaysia Airlines would like to sincerely convey our deepest sorrow to the families and friends of the passengers onboard Flight MH370 on the news that the flaperon found on Reunion Island on 29 July was indeed from Flight MH370. This has been confirmed jointly today by the French Authorities, Bureau d’ Enquetes et d‘ Analyses pour la Securites de I’AviationCivile (BEA), the Malaysian Investigation Team, Technical Representative from PRC and Australian Transportation Safety Bureau (ATSB) in Toulouse, France and subsequently announced by the Prime Minister of Malaysia, Dato’ Seri Najib Tun Razak.

Family members of passengers and crew have already been informed and we extend our deepest sympathies to those affected.

This is indeed a major breakthrough for us in resolving the disappearance of MH370. We expect and hope that there would be more objects to be found which would be able to help resolve this mystery.

Moving forward, Malaysia Airlines’ priority will continue to provide latest updates and information to the families and will fully cooperate with the relevant authorities on the investigation and recovery of this tragic accident."

 

[branwynbreeze]

Major issue I have is with Malaysian government. Going from memory, so some things may be off. When it first happened everyone was searching east side of island while Malaysia was searching west. Lots of confusion, time wasted and Malaysia states they knew plane circled back. Malaysia announces all aboard are dead once again causing confusion. Then came Indian ocean searches which, I think, only the Australian government has put forth continued effort, while Malaysia went on as incident over and done. Debris washes up, Malaysia says, yep, see, there it is before it's proven so. I get that there aren't a lot of 777 missing, but being 100% sure is the only thing family members will accept. I can picture Malaysian officials sneaking nervous sideways glances at each other, cannot fight feeling that there is something they are hiding, something that might embarrass government more than it's inept handling to date.

I cannot understand, esp after 911 (use of planes as weapons), how Malaysia's military picked MH370 up on their radar and simply let it fly around it's airspace unidentified. I find it hard to believe military did not contact anyone about this while it was happening. Sometimes I wonder if escorted or shot down. That pesky debris or lack there of, is still a problem if shot down.

Malaysia government has not been popular with some, top rival rearrested and imprisoned before flight. Pilot was pro that party and had the skills to skirt around other counties airspace, I still do not want to believe he was involved. I want to believe plane landed, but that doesn't mean all lives aboard were safe, collateral damage for the better of a bigger picture, whatever that is. IDK

 

[ilovepierre]

I don't believe the pilot was involved, but I have had some suspicions about the co-pilot.
Although to be honest, I am still going with a non pilot/co-pilot hijack.
Someone else aboard that plane is responsible.

Still not completely ruling out fire in the cockpit/electrical malfunction, but it seems less likely for that have happened and have the plane still fly for the amount of time it did. It also wouldn't explain the transponder being turned off.

 

[restarea]

The co-pilot had a lot to lose, the captain didn't, imo. His marriage had already fallen apart, wife and kids moved out and his hatred for the government he basically worked for was at an all-time high due to the arrest of Anwar Ibrahim. I think he found a way to end his unhappiness while absolutely humiliating and exposing the Malaysian government, not to mention costing them millions.*

 

[LinasK]

The co-pilot had a lot to lose, the captain didn't, imo. His marriage had already fallen apart, wife and kids moved out and his hatred for the government he basically worked for was at an all-time high due to the arrest of Anwar Ibrahim. I think he found a way to end his unhappiness while absolutely humiliating and exposing the Malaysian government, not to mention costing them millions.*

I agree, but I thought that was the pilot. I thought the co-pilot was a young guy who was engaged or about to be engaged. I definitely think it was pilot suicide/hijack whichever one of them did it.

 

[restarea]

I'm saying the older pilot is the miserable one who likely took the plane down. The younger co-pilot was engaged, happy, pro-government and lived a pretty spoiled life at home with his mommy and daddy still taking care of him. We'll never know if the two pilots had a conversation about their different political/world views prior to or during the flight but if they did, it wouldn't have been pleasant.

 

[Roselvr]

Want to bring over my post #93

Looks like the new area is where debris were originally spotted

Do we have anyone that helped with Tomnod still following the post? If so; how do we find out if the current assumed resting place has been looked at on Tomnod? I have the official map finder link; but there are 409 pages.

The yellow dotted line in this pic is the range limit of the fuel on board if the plane flew in a straight line, which it appears to have done once it started in a southerly direction.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26503141

 

[watcher9]

I did search in Tomnod for quite some time but cannot answer your questions.

I guess I was more of a novice and had no idea where I was searching. I just looked for objects. If they start another search for the debris, I would be willing. It was easier to look along the shore lines for objects.

 

[Roselvr]

I did search in Tomnod for quite some time but cannot answer your questions.

I guess I was more of a novice and had no idea where I was searching. I just looked for objects. If they start another search for the debris, I would be willing. It was easier to look along the shore lines for objects.

It would not surprise me if debris were spotted then sunk when someone went to check it out. My heart really breaks for all involved.

 

[Xara]

Don't think this has been posted yet:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ls-saw-low-flying-jet-day-plane-vanished.html

 

[SweetT]

I have always thought that Maldives sighting could have been true...and then when they ignored it..I was quite sure that it was accurate.

 

[watcher9]

This link reads like the part found which looked like the flaperon is only 5-7 inches long. Huh!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...on-over-MH370-wreckage-found-in-Maldives.html

This link says it could be greenhouse wall panels.
Further down on the page there are two separate links about objects found on the islands. I hate to think how many objects were disregarded because it didn't fit their profile of what a plane looks like instead of what may have been transported in the cargo area, carried on by passenger or supplies on the plane.

http://www.sun.mv/english/

This article reports on the request by Malaysia to Maldives, Mauritius and Madagascar for their help in the search.

http://www.sun.mv/english/31514

 

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I have always thought that Maldives sighting could have been true...and then when they ignored it..I was quite sure that it was accurate.

And yet the Maldives gov't stated they checked their defence radar and surveillance data and did not detect an airplane in their area after learning of the missing plane
I have no idea how up to date their military radar defence system is


http://news.yahoo.com/maldives-join-hunt-mh370-debris-sighting-claims-173237512.html

Shareef ,a minister at the Maldivian President's office,said the Maldives had shared defence radar and surveillance data with Malaysia following reports last year that an unidentified airliner had been seen flying low over some of the islets shortly after the MH370 went missing.

"We checked radar data and other information from that day and the answer was negative. There was no big jet liner over that area and we shared that information with the Malaysian authorities," Shareef said.

 

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Maldives citizens vs Maldives Gov't
We have local witness accounts from 1 atoll, Kuda Huvadhoo, that they saw a large airliner Versus the Maldive Gov't, their own gov't, stating nothing was detected on their defence radar system

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...-help-find-mh370/story-e6frg95x-1227290748703 April 4, 2015

There were other reasons the people of Kuda Huvadhoo were not taken seriously.
The Maldives National Defence Force, responsible for guarding the security and sovereignty of the low-lying country, issued a statement in March last year ruling out any such aircraft movement over its air space.
The locals were surprised and felt humiliated. Several of those we spoke to in Kuda Huvadhoo were scornful, accusing their defence chiefs of seeking to save face and not wanting to admit to their *people or the world that the limitations of Maldives radar and other equipment could not detect such flights.

 

[watcher9]

Could they both be right?
The radar couldn't pick up the plane because it was flying too low and under the radar?
I always hear things like "under the radar" but have no knowledge if that is truly what it means.

 

[watcher9]

Another article looks like Malaysia is sending help.

"We will be dispatching a team to the Maldives to view the debris as well as conduct preliminary verification of the debris," he said in a statement.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ect-maldives-debris-for-mh370-link/ar-BBlBYM6

 

[Intermezzo]

Could they both be right?
The radar couldn't pick up the plane because it was flying too low and under the radar?
I always hear things like "under the radar" but have no knowledge if that is truly what it means.

I believe the saying may hold true when an aircraft turns off its transponders and civilian radar can no longer see the aircraft but not sure if that holds true for military radar defense?
Malaysia military radar did track MH370 even after it became invisible to air traffic controllers.

Can we theorize that this flight flew without being detected by any nations military radar defense? none at all?
OR
That once nations with radar detection in the area began to look at the radar data something was detected but because of national security of each country it is classified information and not shared with the public????