Malaysia airlines MH370 with 239 people on board, 8 March 2014 #26

[deugirtni]

The pilot of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was in control of the plane “until the end”, French investigators reportedly suspect, after gaining access to "crucial" flight data.

The readouts "lend weight" to suspicions that he crashed into the sea in a murder-suicide, they were cited as saying.

The revelations based on Boeing data came days after a new account suggesting the pilot may have been clinically depressed, leading him to starve the passengers of oxygen and then crash the Boeing 777 into the sea.

MH370 pilot in control ‘until the end’, French investigators suspect

The above link refers to another story printed June 19th, not sure if it's been posted already (I couldn't find it here), about the pilot being depressed:

MH370 pilot was 'lonely and sad' and may have 'crashed plane' in murder-suicide

 

[they'll get you]

MH370 pilot in control of plane ‘until very end’, French experts suspect

The pilot of doomed Malaysia Flight MH370 was in control of the passenger jet “until the end”, French experts reportedly believe.
Now analysis of flight data by French investigators support a theory that the pilot crashed the plane into the sea in a murder-suicide, reports Le Parisien.
The revelations based around Boeing data came after a new theory suggested pilot Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah may have been clinically depressed. This may have lead him to turn off the oxygen supply and then crash the plane into the sea.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/mh370-mystery-pilot-in-control-of-plane-until-very-end-french-experts-suspect/6b59e31c-dcb6-4072-ba5e-0ae7daa09c66

 

[deugirtni]

Why would he kill all the occupants (except for himself), and then continue flying the plane for hours? Just because he could? The feeling of freedom before the final dive? Testing out his flying practices in real life?

If he was 'clinically depressed', one might hope that would have been professionally diagnosed (beforehand), rather than speculated upon by non-medical/non-psychiatric people?

 

[Tssiemer]

I’m clinically depressed and have suicidal thoughts but I’m not going to kill hundreds of people while killing myself. Idk.

 

[helpfulcharlie]

Why would he kill all the occupants (except for himself), and then continue flying the plane for hours? Just because he could? The feeling of freedom before the final dive? Testing out his flying practices in real life?

If he was 'clinically depressed', one might hope that would have been professionally diagnosed (beforehand), rather than speculated upon by non-medical/non-psychiatric people?

Well, TBH I normally respect and admire people that can add a little bit of mystery to a world where mystery is rapidly eroding. Obviously I'd prefer they do it without committing mass murder, but perhaps in his own messed up way, he has created one of the biggest mysteries in history. Was that what he set out to do? We might never know.

 

[Doghairrules]

Well, TBH I normally respect and admire people that can add a little bit of mystery to a world where mystery is rapidly eroding. Obviously I'd prefer they do it without committing mass murder, but perhaps in his own messed up way, he has created one of the biggest mysteries in history. Was that what he set out to do? We might never know.

Alternatively, there can be a lot of stigma attached to suicide. I wonder if he just tried to put the plane down where no one would ever find it, which appears to have worked.

 

[dotr]

July 12 2019
‘Strong suspicion’ that MH370 pilot was clinically depressed when plane went down
"Last month, friends of Shah, 53, told William Langewiesche, an aviation specialist, that he became obsessed with two young models on the internet after his wife left him, and that he “spent a lot of time pacing empty rooms.” Langewiesche said there is a “strong suspicion among investigators” that he was clinically depressed."

 

[HMSHood]

I’m clinically depressed and have suicidal thoughts but I’m not going to kill hundreds of people while killing myself. Idk.

Zaharie Ahmad Shah had way bigger problems than depression and suicidal thoughts.

I can see him as an injustice collector. Every resentment builds up over time.

 

[Via Marple]

Maybe he was thinking that his wife and family would never find out what happened to him, killing himself in this way. He might think it would be a "heroic" exit.

It is a plausible explanation, but these theories are not going to be conclusive, or provide any closure, to the families of victims.

The black boxes are needed for that.

 

[watcher9]

Just saw this article about two earthquakes - one near the northwestern edge of Australia and another large one in the Indonesia Islands and wondered if an earthquake could dislodge parts and debris from the sunken plane?

Two strong earthquakes struck along the Pacific Ring of Fire on July 14, 2019.

Big earthquakes today in Australia and Indonesia | EarthSky.org

 

[Joe Friday]

Without the cockpit recorder it will never be known what exactly happened.

One of my theories is that Zaharie Ahmad Shah purposely depressurized the plane in order to kill all the passengers and crew before crashing the plane. He likely made up some story to get the first officer out of the cockpit and then locked the door preventing him from reentry. When he depressurized the plane the oxygen masks should have dropped from the overhead compartments. Eventually the oxygen supply would have run out and one by one the passengers would have died from oxygen starvation. Shar may have very well turned off the supply of oxygen to the masks before the flight as a way to incapacitate the passengers as quickly as possible. This may have been his way to ensure that none of the passengers or crew would be able to stop him from carrying out his plan, which I think was to kill himself. He then flew long enough to ensure everyone on board had passed before crashing the plane and killing himself. In a sick way killing the passengers by starving them of oxygen may have been more humane than diving the plane into the ground with everyone still alive.

JMO

 

[Pi Thoughts]

Ghyslain Wattrelos, a French national who lost his wife and two teenage children on the flight, told a press conference last week that new evidence surrounding what happened may have been discovered.
Two Parisian judges are currently conducting a judicial investigation, and have just received a report on the passengers and baggage brought on board, French newspaper Le Parisien reported.
According to the paper, Mr Wattrelos said: “It was also learned that a mysterious load of 89 kg had been added to the flight list after take-off.
“A container was also overloaded, without anyone knowing why. The expert draws no conclusion.
“It may be incompetence or manipulation. Everything is possible. This will be part of the questions for Malaysians.”
MH370 investigators ‘discover mystery load weighing 89kg was added to the cargo flight list’ after take-off
BBM

 

[helpfulcharlie]

Hmph. That's enough to be a body, alive or dead.

Ghyslain Wattrelos, a French national who lost his wife and two teenage children on the flight, told a press conference last week that new evidence surrounding what happened may have been discovered.
Two Parisian judges are currently conducting a judicial investigation, and have just received a report on the passengers and baggage brought on board, French newspaper Le Parisien reported.
According to the paper, Mr Wattrelos said: “It was also learned that a mysterious load of 89 kg had been added to the flight list after take-off.
“A container was also overloaded, without anyone knowing why. The expert draws no conclusion.
“It may be incompetence or manipulation. Everything is possible. This will be part of the questions for Malaysians.”
MH370 investigators ‘discover mystery load weighing 89kg was added to the cargo flight list’ after take-off
BBM

 

[dotr]

Hmph. That's enough to be a body, alive or dead.

Just about the weight of a man (approx 196 pounds) could it have been a stowaway?
speculation, imo.
There have been several over the years, such as this recent one..
UK, Body of man who fell from plane found in a London garden, 1 July 2019

 

[Via Marple]

Ghyslain Wattrelos, a French national who lost his wife and two teenage children on the flight, told a press conference last week that new evidence surrounding what happened may have been discovered.
Two Parisian judges are currently conducting a judicial investigation, and have just received a report on the passengers and baggage brought on board, French newspaper Le Parisien reported.
According to the paper, Mr Wattrelos said: “It was also learned that a mysterious load of 89 kg had been added to the flight list after take-off.
“A container was also overloaded, without anyone knowing why. The expert draws no conclusion.
“It may be incompetence or manipulation. Everything is possible. This will be part of the questions for Malaysians.”
MH370 investigators ‘discover mystery load weighing 89kg was added to the cargo flight list’ after take-off
BBM

Strangely, the first paragraph at the link says "before take-off", not after.

That would make more sense to me, because how could an airline add more to the flight list after take off?

On the other hand, a last minute addition before take off is not really that mysterious.

Not sure what this means.....

 

[Suglo]

Strangely, the first paragraph at the link says "before take-off", not after.

That would make more sense to me, because how could an airline add more to the flight list after take off?

On the other hand, a last minute addition before take off is not really that mysterious.

Not sure what this means.....

I read it to mean that someone loaded 89 kg worth of something to a container and only added it to a waybill list after the flight had taken off. Maybe that is not how it is done. Maybe everything loaded on a plane has to make a master final list before take off so adding it after is very irregular?

 

[Via Marple]

Strangely, the first paragraph at the link says "before take-off", not after.

That would make more sense to me, because how could an airline add more to the flight list after take off?

On the other hand, a last minute addition before take off is not really that mysterious.

Not sure what this means.....

I have since read up on a few more reports online for this same story, (before I fell asleep so no links now) and they all say AFTER take off.

So the one BEFORE that I found, might be .... a Freudian slip by that reporter? Lol

ETA Example of another news link:
Baffling new MH370 crash mystery

 

[deugirtni]

I have since read up on a few more reports online for this same story, (before I fell asleep so no links now) and they all say AFTER take off.

So the one BEFORE that I found, might be .... a Freudian slip by that reporter? Lol

ETA Example of another news link:
Baffling new MH370 crash mystery

I think the media tends to just copy other media's stories (that is how it seems in other cases I follow), so I wouldn't put a lot of weight in that unless it says it heard a direct quote from someone who actually said/reported about the change before/after takeoff.

If we go to 'the horse's mouth', which is French newspaper 'Le Parisien', it says:

"Un rapport sur les passagers et les bagages emmenés à bord vient d'être remis aux juges d'instruction. Son auteur était présent au tribunal lors de la réunion. « On se rend compte qu'il y a plusieurs listes de passagers contradictoires, par exemple sur le placement des passagers, indique Ghyslain Wattrelos. On a aussi appris qu'un mystérieux chargement de 89 kg avait été rajouté sur la liste du vol après son décollage. Un conteneur était également surchargé, sans qu'on sache pourquoi. L'expert n'en tire aucune conclusion. C'est peut-être de l'incompétence ou une manipulation. Tout est possible. Ça fera partie des questions à poser aux Malaisiens. »"

which, according to google-translate, says this in English:

"A report on the passengers and baggage brought on board has just been given to the investigating judges. Its author was present in court at the meeting. "We realize that there are several contradictory passenger lists, for example on the placement of passengers, says Ghyslain Wattrelos. It was also learned that a mysterious load of 89 kg had been added to the flight list after take-off. A container was also overloaded, without anyone knowing why. The expert draws no conclusion. It may be incompetence or manipulation. Everything is possible. This will be part of the questions for Malaysians. ""

Vol MH370 : révélations sur le crash mystère
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The first link (msn) seems to be saying that the additional 'item' weighing 89kgs was added to the plane before takeoff, but not added to the 'list' until after takeoff.

"French investigators searching for answers over the disappearance of flight MH370 have discovered a 89kg weight was added to the flight before take-off, it has been reported.
....
Two Parisian judges are currently conducting a judicial investigation, and have just received a report on the passengers and baggage brought on board, French newspaper Le Parisien reported.

According to the paper, Mr Wattrelos said: “It was also learned that a mysterious load of 89 kg had been added to the flight list after take-off."
====

So is this to mean that a last minute 'item' weighing 89Kgs was added to the plane, but not recorded until 'after' takeoff? (And if added 'after' takeoff, where are these people finding this list?? Is it a computerized list they would have access to even though the plane is missing??)

 

[Suglo]

I think the media tends to just copy other media's stories (that is how it seems in other cases I follow), so I wouldn't put a lot of weight in that unless it says it heard a direct quote from someone who actually said/reported about the change before/after takeoff.

If we go to 'the horse's mouth', which is French newspaper 'Le Parisien', it says:

"Un rapport sur les passagers et les bagages emmenés à bord vient d'être remis aux juges d'instruction. Son auteur était présent au tribunal lors de la réunion. « On se rend compte qu'il y a plusieurs listes de passagers contradictoires, par exemple sur le placement des passagers, indique Ghyslain Wattrelos. On a aussi appris qu'un mystérieux chargement de 89 kg avait été rajouté sur la liste du vol après son décollage. Un conteneur était également surchargé, sans qu'on sache pourquoi. L'expert n'en tire aucune conclusion. C'est peut-être de l'incompétence ou une manipulation. Tout est possible. Ça fera partie des questions à poser aux Malaisiens. »"

which, according to google-translate, says this in English:

"A report on the passengers and baggage brought on board has just been given to the investigating judges. Its author was present in court at the meeting. "We realize that there are several contradictory passenger lists, for example on the placement of passengers, says Ghyslain Wattrelos. It was also learned that a mysterious load of 89 kg had been added to the flight list after take-off. A container was also overloaded, without anyone knowing why. The expert draws no conclusion. It may be incompetence or manipulation. Everything is possible. This will be part of the questions for Malaysians. ""

Vol MH370 : révélations sur le crash mystère
===
The first link (msn) seems to be saying that the additional 'item' weighing 89kgs was added to the plane before takeoff, but not added to the 'list' until after takeoff.

"French investigators searching for answers over the disappearance of flight MH370 have discovered a 89kg weight was added to the flight before take-off, it has been reported.
....
Two Parisian judges are currently conducting a judicial investigation, and have just received a report on the passengers and baggage brought on board, French newspaper Le Parisien reported.

According to the paper, Mr Wattrelos said: “It was also learned that a mysterious load of 89 kg had been added to the flight list after take-off."
====

So is this to mean that a last minute 'item' weighing 89Kgs was added to the plane, but not recorded until 'after' takeoff? (And if added 'after' takeoff, where are these people finding this list?? Is it a computerized list they would have access to even though the plane is missing??)

My understanding from following this MH370 disappearance from the beginning is that all items loaded onto a plane must be documented on a waybill as there are certain items (like the famous lithium batteries) that have a limit in the amount that can be transported at one time. There was much speculation in the beginning that they had placed more than the allowed amount of lithium batteries on the plane. In no case should items be added to that list after a plane takes off.

 

[11Rachel11]

I hope that all passangers are still alive.