Malaysia airlines MH370 with 239 people on board, 8 March 2014 #26

[MsMiniSleuth]

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[watcher9]

WHEN Blaine Gibson tracked down the first piece of debris from missing Malaysian airline MH370, the families of the 239 victims on board hailed it as a breakthrough.

Relatives desperate for news of the plane - which disappeared after taking off from Kuala Lumpur airport March 8, 2014 - even joined the independent investigator to comb the beaches of Madagascar after Malaysian authorities failed to find any trace.

But, in a new Channel 5 documentary which begins tonight, the Australian wreck hunter says he was dogged by death threats and followed by shadowy figures as he continued his search.

Speaking in MH370: The Vanishing, Blaine said he feared "someone who was trying to prevent Malaysia MH370 from being found might take violent action against me… but I didn’t know who".

He continued: “I started to get death threats from anonymous people. Things like ‘No plane, no Blaine’ and telling me to give up my search.

“One made a call to a friend of mine saying I would not leave Madagascar alive..."

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Blaine Gibson was a hero in my book. He did not deserve the treatment he received when he kept searching and finding pieces from the plane. If I recall correctly, he personally delivered some of his finds to keep them from being lost or destroyed.

Thank you for giving us a rundown on what it is being broadcast. It is very much appreciated.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

Last night's second part, The Silence, really showed up the poor way the airline and the Malaysian government handled it. And showed the families lobbying and going out searching themselves with Blaine to find bits of the plane debris. Very upsetting to watch their grief. One woman whose husband was part of the crew has a piece of it, and said that is the closest thing she has to him.

 

[IceIce9]

Evidence suggests a hard landing in the ocean

Landing gear on MH370 was DOWN, experts claim

Last month, a landing gear door was found in the possession of a Madagascan fisherman. According to experts, it is the first piece of evidence to be found to suggest a deliberate act.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The landing gear on missing flight MH370 was down, suggesting the pilot may have deliberately crashed into the sea to sink the jet quickly, experts have claimed.

 

[dotr]

rbbm

MH370: Landing gear lowered before crash ‘suggesting criminal intent’

A new piece of wreckage has reportedly been discovered on the shore of Madagascar

www.standard.co.uk

By
Miriam Burrell 8 hours ago
''Lowering the landing gear would have caused the let to flood and sink faster once in the water, and increased the likelihood of a catastrophic collision when hitting the water. Pilots are trained to perform emergency landings with landing gear retracted.

The piece “is likely the remnant of the left main landing gear trunnion door” and is almost certain to be from MH370, the report said.

“The landing gear was highly likely extended on impact, which in turn supports the conclusion that there was an active pilot until the end of the flight.”

The end of the flight was in a high speed dive designed to ensure the aircraft broke up into as man pieces as possible, the report suggests.

“The crash of MH370 was anything but a soft landing on the ocean.”

The door was discovered at the home of a fisherman in Madagascar, who found the barnacle-encrusted part washed up on the shore of the Antsiraka Peninsula South Beach in March 2017 in the wake of tropical storm Fernando.''

''The fisherman did not know what it was and said his wife used it as a washing board.''

 

[IceIce9]

So was it crashed by the pilot, copilot, or someone who forced his way into the cockpit?

 

[HMSHood]

If the landing gear was down before it went down. That would rule out ghost airplane or hypoxia. Looks more like on purpose. I wonder if the passengers were aware.

 

[ifindedout]

I think the PIC was solely responsible, that he somehow got the FO to leave the cabin (or the FO voluntarily took a bathroom break), then he locked the door, cut the cabin pressure, put on his own oxygen mask, turned off the transponder, changed course, then when everyone was dead or irreversibly unconscious from hypoxia (to prevent passengers from calling on their phones for help), descended to an altitude where he himself wouldn't need oxygen (this "flying low" also reduced the chances of being seen by another commercial airliner or military plane) and flew far off course until near fuel exhaustion. Burning as much fuel as possible before the final dive also eliminated the likelihood of any significant oil slick.
All MOO
ETA about cell phones, and to apologize for the run-on sentence.

 

[Vital Forces]

If the landing gear was down before it went down. That would rule out ghost airplane or hypoxia. Looks more like on purpose. I wonder if the passengers were aware.

There is simply no way this was anything but deliberate. If the pilot was unconscious or the plane was working on autopilot, the plane would have either kept flying in a straight line or crashed in a typical chaotic manner.

The plane was deliberately turned, transponder equipment was turned off, communications were ignored, the plane was kept in a holding pattern off Sumatra and then the plane was flown to one of the most remote reaches of the Earth.

It is unlikely we will ever know if the passengers were conscious for all of this, but it would have been a horrifying experience to fly for hours with presumably no word from the captain and no idea what was happening.

 

[watcher9]

This discovery is huge.
I wonder how the door became to be discovered in the fisherman's yard after all this time and how many other pieces may have been found by the locals but unknown to authorities?

Flight MH370 debris suggests pilot lowered plane's landing gear and crashed deliberately, report says

A new report published by British engineer Richard Godfrey and American MH370 wreckage hunter Blaine Gibson, claims the piece of debris most likely penetrated from the inside by the jet's disintegrating engines.

news.sky.com

 

[HMSHood]

I wonder if the wreckage of MH370 will ever be found. It is likely in the abyss of South Indian Ocean.

 

[IceIce9]

I wonder if the wreckage of MH370 will ever be found. It is likely in the abyss of South Indian Ocean.

Some pieces have been found, hopefully more will be.

 

[tezi]

I don't believe that I missed this discovery. I hope we get answers sooner rather than later.

 

[dotr]

''Jan 19, 2023 #DraintheOceans #NationalGeographic #FullEpisode
With today’s technology, how can we lose a jetliner with 239 people on board? MH370: inside the longest, most costly search in aviation history.''

Was Flight MH370 With 239 Passengers Onboard 'Deliberately' Crashed? New Evidence Found

The Beijing-bound MH370 flight disappeared off the radar about 40 minutes after take-off from Kuala Lumpur when someone had turned off the communication systems and changed the aircraft's route, according to an official report

www.news18.com

DECEMBER 14, 2022

 

[Ozoner]

I think the PIC was solely responsible, that he somehow got the FO to leave the cabin (or the FO voluntarily took a bathroom break), then he locked the door, cut the cabin pressure, put on his own oxygen mask, turned off the transponder, changed course, then when everyone was dead or irreversibly unconscious from hypoxia (to prevent passengers from calling on their phones for help), descended to an altitude where he himself wouldn't need oxygen (this "flying low" also reduced the chances of being seen by another commercial airliner or military plane) and flew far off course until near fuel exhaustion. Burning as much fuel as possible before the final dive also eliminated the likelihood of any significant oil slick.
All MOO
ETA about cell phones, and to apologize for the run-on sentence.

In that situation, what would have prevented the passengers from putting on their own oxygen masks? Don't the oxygen masks drop down automatically if there's a loss of cabin pressure?
And even if people started passing out from a lack of oxygen, they wouldn't all pass out at exactly the same moment. Why wouldn't people who were still conscious when others started to pass out have attempted to use their cell phones?

 

[deugirtni]

In that situation, what would have prevented the passengers from putting on their own oxygen masks? Don't the oxygen masks drop down automatically if there's a loss of cabin pressure?
And even if people started passing out from a lack of oxygen, they wouldn't all pass out at exactly the same moment. Why wouldn't people who were still conscious when others started to pass out have attempted to use their cell phones?

This article explains a bit of why those things may not have occurred:

Why Didn’t the Missing Airliner’s Passengers Phone for Help?

One of the most commonly asked questions we’ve received from Slate readers is: Why didn’t the passengers aboard missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370...

slate.com

 

[Ozoner]

This article explains a bit of why those things may not have occurred:

Why Didn’t the Missing Airliner’s Passengers Phone for Help?

One of the most commonly asked questions we’ve received from Slate readers is: Why didn’t the passengers aboard missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370...

slate.com

The article's suggestion that the captain used is authority to provide a cover story for re-routing, etc., seems plausible, but not in @ifindedout 's scenario where the first officer was locked out of the cabin. Locking the first officer out of the cabin would have raised the alarm in a major way.

I wonder if the captain murdered or drugged the first officer in the cabin before carrying out his plan.

One other question I have is, would there have been any way for the captain to disable the passengers' oxygen masks? If there was, then that would solve the biggest issue because the captain could have depressurized the cabin while ascending to 45,000 feet (if the plane actually went that high), and then loss of consciousness would have occurred fairly quickly for the passengers and stewardesses (followed by death, of course).

If the captain could not have disabled the oxygen masks, then it seems likely that the passengers might have been using them until the supply ran out.

 

[deugirtni]

The article's suggestion that the captain used is authority to provide a cover story for re-routing, etc., seems plausible, but not in @ifindedout 's scenario where the first officer was locked out of the cabin. Locking the first officer out of the cabin would have raised the alarm in a major way.

I wonder if the captain murdered or drugged the first officer in the cabin before carrying out his plan.

One other question I have is, would there have been any way for the captain to disable the passengers' oxygen masks? If there was, then that would solve the biggest issue because the captain could have depressurized the cabin while ascending to 45,000 feet (if the plane actually went that high), and then loss of consciousness would have occurred fairly quickly for the passengers and stewardesses (followed by death, of course).

If the captain could not have disabled the oxygen masks, then it seems likely that the passengers might have been using them until the supply ran out.

What if it all happened really quick? ie the FO goes for a bathroom break (or gets told now is a good time for that, so he goes).. the captain starts ascending.. passengers don't have a clue anything is amiss.. before it's too late.. and they're passed out before they think to grab their masks? Admittedly, I don't know anything about this stuff.. but is this not possible?

 

[dotr]

Pilots Should Use Discretion When Turning Off Oxygen Masks – Atlas-blue.com

www.atlas-blue.com

2022 rbbm
''Can A Pilot Turn Off Oxygen?
It’s best to figure this out based on the type of aircraft and the amount of control the crew has over the pressurization system. If you’re on a 777, for example, it’s possible to completely turn off the cabin air. In addition, a single member of the crew could perform this task on their own.

Cabin Pressurization: A New Method To Prevent Hijackings?​

'' Supplemental oxygen is required for all portions of the flight that are above 30 minutes above cabin pressure altitude of 12,500 feet MSL, up to and including 14,000 feet MSL. The hijacking threat would be eliminated by using a new technique in which pilots depressurize the cabin, resulting in unconsciousness for all passengers and crew.''

 

[tarabull]

Nine years on, families urge new search for missing Malaysia plane MH370

Families called on the Malaysian government to allow Ocean Infinity to mount a new search.

www.reuters.com

‘The greatest aviation mystery of all time’: what really happened to flight MH370?

A Netflix docuseries tries to untangle the many theories surrounding the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines flight that shocked the world

www.theguardian.com