Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #1

[zwiebel]

Sorry, the notes I took really did suffer from the call interruption.

From a BBC Radio 4 item

It was a Boeing 707 , flight number HM 370, leaving (I think) at 24.41

It disappeared 2hrs into the flight, cruising at 35,000 feet. No distress signal at all.

Spotter planes have been called off but will resume the search tomorrow morning.

Search vessels from several countries will continue recon throughout the night.

The oil slicks have been spotted 120 nautical miles off the S.China Coast.

An aviation expert (didn't catch the name) said it would likely be a 'catastrophic' incident that left no time for any distress signal at all. He said it was 'extraordinary' there was no distress signal. He compared it to the Air France crash, which was pilot error. That too was cruising and there was no time for a distress signal

He added that these 'latest generation planes' simply do not' get sudden structural failure.

Relatives were left waiting for hours at Beijing Airport. BBC Correspondant was there. He said there was a great deal of anger at Malaysia Airlines, which released no info for hours and had no-one at Beijing to talk to relatives. China has also strongly criticized the airline and is treating this as a national emergency, a minister said.

 

[zwiebel]

There are journalists that understand aviation but the vast majority do not, so be careful of what you believe.

I am just seeing that beneath your post, US experts are being linked, directly contradicting what I just heard a UK expert say, so I think you're right.

I know nothing about aviation, though I had a close encounter with a Spitfire once, which was a thrill.

 

[zwiebel]

What's the difference between a nautical mile and a land mile?

 

[nursebeeme]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...g-malaysia-airlines-jetline-article-1.1715004

 

[MsFacetious]

Malaysia Airlines ‏@MAS 2m

[#MASalert] We would like to humbly ask all Malaysians and people around the world to pray for flight MH370 – http://bit.ly/MH370updates


It disappeared 40 minutes into the flight, not 2 hours.

https://www.facebook.com/flightradar24

https://twitter.com/flightradar24

I know this is still being reported wrong... but I wanted to clarify. :seeya:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...071771958.7699.111607872211978&type=1&theater


You can watch the progress of the flight here.
It takes a minute (possibly literally) to load so be patient.
If you hover over a plane it'll give you the flight number.
If you click ON the plane it'll give you it's altitude and everything at THAT point.

http://www.flightradar24.com/2014-03-07/16:50/24x/6.18,102.93/6

Our flight is the FIRST plane to go up and over the word Malaysia. (The ay part.)
Then it continues up to Kuala Terengganu with the blue dot (that's an AIRPORT!)

Then it goes out over the water and shortly after.... nothing.
That makes you sick... it just disappears. :tantrum:

 

[HMSHood]

What's the difference between a nautical mile and a land mile?

Nautical Mile = 1.15 Miles or 1.852 Kilometers
Land Mile (AKA Statute Mile) = 1 Mile or 1.609 Kilometers

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Malaysia Airlines ‏@MAS 2m

You can watch the progress of the flight here.
It takes a minute (possibly literally) to load so be patient.
If you hover over a plane it'll give you the flight number.
If you click ON the plane it'll give you it's altitude and everything at THAT point.

http://www.flightradar24.com/2014-03-07/16:50/24x/6.18,102.93/6

Our flight is the FIRST plane to go up and over the word Malaysia. (The ay part.)
Then it continues up to Kuala Terengganu with the blue dot (that's an AIRPORT!)

Then it goes out over the water and shortly after.... nothing.
That makes you sick... it just disappears. :tantrum:

<snipped>

 

[MsFacetious]

Also in case anyone is watching CURRENT flights, so they don't have a heart attack.
There is another flight up with the same name - 370. :facepalm:
It is NOT the missing flight back from the sea... it is the plane that has replaced it.

Apparently it takes time to change the flight number. :scared:

Flightradar24.com &#8207;@flightradar24 1m

Today's MH370 will probably disappear from FR24 soon, due to bad ADS-B coverage in parts of China.

 

[Leilei]

Malaysia Airlines &#8207;@MAS 2m

[#MASalert] We would like to humbly ask all Malaysians and people around the world to pray for flight MH370 – http://bit.ly/MH370updates


It disappeared 40 minutes into the flight, not 2 hours.

https://www.facebook.com/flightradar24

https://twitter.com/flightradar24

I know this is still being reported wrong... but I wanted to clarify. :seeya:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...071771958.7699.111607872211978&type=1&theater


You can watch the progress of the flight here.
It takes a minute (possibly literally) to load so be patient.
If you hover over a plane it'll give you the flight number.
If you click ON the plane it'll give you it's altitude and everything at THAT point.

http://www.flightradar24.com/2014-03-07/16:50/24x/6.18,102.93/6

Our flight is the FIRST plane to go up and over the word Malaysia. (The ay part.)
Then it continues up to Kuala Terengganu with the blue dot (that's an AIRPORT!)

Then it goes out over the water and shortly after.... nothing.
That makes you sick... it just disappears. :tantrum:

Made my stomach flip over So frightening! Those poor people aboard...

 

[hockeymom]

I heard an aviation guy say that these planes computers are connected to ground computers so specifically,that even when the toilet flushes they can tell somewhere. So this is why I believe there had to have been an explosion,of massive strength. Even if it were a smaller explosion,it would seem that they would be able to see a desent of the airplane,but just to disappear is frightening. The only positive out of this ,is what ever happened,happened so quickly the people had no idea what hit them.

 

[SwampMama]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=0


"Fredrik Lindahl, the chief executive of Flightradar24, an online aircraft tracking service, said the missing plane had been equipped with a transponder that regularly transmitted its position via GPS satellites. The last recorded position of Flight MH370 was 93 miles northeast of Kuala Terengganu, a port on the northeast coast of Peninsular Malaysia, he wrote in an email.

One uncertainty about the flight involved the timing of its disappearance from radar. Malaysia Airlines said it took off at 12:41 a.m. Malaysia time and disappeared from air traffic control radar in Subang, a suburb of Kuala Lumpur, at 2:40 a.m."

BBM I'm confused. Was it in flight 2 hours? or only 40 minutes? We keep getting conflicting reports.

 

[skibaboo]

I'm a total plane nut, I sit and watch flightradar24 but to see where the plane just vanished is sooo eerie, especially so for me as I watched it a lot during the bad storms we had in the UK recently (I had a friend who was flying at that time)

 

[LinasK]

Shouldn't there have been some sort of mayday communication there was a problem? It reminds me of the Challenger disaster. No warning.

This is what leads me to believe they were either shot down or it was a bomb. The pilot had no indication something was wrong...

 

[MsFacetious]

40 minutes.
The two hours would put them over land...
Now they have accepted the 40 minute thing and are searching WATER.

This most recent post on facebook is pretty clear:

https://www.facebook.com/flightradar24

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=0


"Fredrik Lindahl, the chief executive of Flightradar24, an online aircraft tracking service, said the missing plane had been equipped with a transponder that regularly transmitted its position via GPS satellites. The last recorded position of Flight MH370 was 93 miles northeast of Kuala Terengganu, a port on the northeast coast of Peninsular Malaysia, he wrote in an email.

One uncertainty about the flight involved the timing of its disappearance from radar. Malaysia Airlines said it took off at 12:41 a.m. Malaysia time and disappeared from air traffic control radar in Subang, a suburb of Kuala Lumpur, at 2:40 a.m."

BBM I'm confused. Was it in flight 2 hours? or only 40 minutes? We keep getting conflicting reports.

 

[zwiebel]

Photo of the oil slicks

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...-plane-crash-site-terrorism-article-1.1715004

ETA - estimated 6-10 miles long

 

[What'sThatClue]

Flight Manifest:

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/con...Airlines Flight MH 370 Passenger Manifest.pdf

 

[MsFacetious]

Photo of the oil slicks

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...-plane-crash-site-terrorism-article-1.1715004

ETA - estimated 6-10 miles long

I have NO clue how this works... so help me out here someone who does.
If this plane fell out of the sky like a meteorite and hit the water going 400MPH would the oil be like that?
Or do that imply that they made some attempt to "land" on the water and then continued moving along it?

That is a LONG distance for the oil slick to be... but maybe it just spreads quickly?

 

[Wendy101]

I know ZERO about planes... Does a pilot have the ability to shut off communication?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

If this was a terrorist incident, wouldn't there have been a claim of responsibility by now? :waitasec:

 

[evelyn24]

Sorry, the notes I took really did suffer from the call interruption.

From a BBC Radio 4 item

It was a Boeing 707 , flight number HM 370, leaving (I think) at 24.41

It disappeared 2hrs into the flight, cruising at 35,000 feet. No distress signal at all.

Spotter planes have been called off but will resume the search tomorrow morning.

Search vessels from several countries will continue recon throughout the night.

The oil slicks have been spotted 120 nautical miles off the S.China Coast.

An aviation expert (didn't catch the name) said it would likely be a 'catastrophic' incident that left no time for any distress signal at all. He said it was 'extraordinary' there was no distress signal. He compared it to the Air France crash, which was pilot error. That too was cruising and there was no time for a distress signal

He added that these 'latest generation planes' simply do not' get sudden structural failure.

Relatives were left waiting for hours at Beijing Airport. BBC Correspondant was there. He said there was a great deal of anger at Malaysia Airlines, which released no info for hours and had no-one at Beijing to talk to relatives. China has also strongly criticized the airline and is treating this as a national emergency, a minister said.

Same thing with TWA 800. If not for the eyewitness on the ground and other planes around the area, nobody would have known anything for hours. I know there is controversy on why the flight 800 exploded but, I'm strictly speaking on the lack of distress signal being sent.

Just for a reminder the recording of TWA. You hear the pilot of TWA 800 at first reporting position and climbing to the ATC (Air Traffic Control Center), and you never hear anything else from the pilot.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWjhzN0eI78"]Trans World Airlines Flight 800 ATC Recording July 17, 1996 - YouTube[/ame]