Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #1

[PHB]

Agree. Unfortunately by the time SAR efforts were underway the debris field could be scattered for miles in the ocean. Hopefully one of the countries involved in the search has the technology and manpower to try to pinpoint where the FDR (black box) may be located while it is still active (pinging) - assuming it isn't too far down in the water.

Evidently that area of the ocean is only 25-35 meters deep, so hopefully recovery won't be as difficult as it was w/ AF 447.

 

[MsFacetious]

The sun rises there in less than an hour... lease:

I highly recommend these google image links while we wait for news.... gorgeous.
(Sorry, I'm a photographer... I appreciate these things.) :seeya:


Malaysia Sunrise:

https://www.google.com/search?q=mal...dLhqAHMi4HIDg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=960&bih=496


Malaysia Sunset:

https://www.google.com/search?q=mal...unset&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch

 

[PHB]

Yes, unfortunately they spent too much time on the land... before accepting it went down in the water.
11 hours were lost so in that respect it's good their probably weren't survivors.
It'd REALLY suck to survive the plane crash and die because they thought you crashed elsewhere.

https://www.facebook.com/flightradar24

BBM.

It's happened before, unfortunately. JAL 123 crashed into a mtn in Japan, and the SAR teams turned down American .mil assistance (a USAF c-130 had orig. spotted the crash).

Several of the dead died of shock and exposure during the night.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123#Delayed_rescue_operation

 

[watcher9]

If it were an explosion, could it have been loud enough to be heard on the coast?

 

[PHB]

Re: the terrorism angle, it's worth noting that the 2 stolen passports belonged to military-aged males, so it can be inferred that whomever was using them were also young men.

Although I would think you'd be hard pressed finding terrorists in that part of the world who could credibly pass for guys named "Christian" and "Luigi".

 

[MsFacetious]

Yep, it also happened in the Andes.

http://www.viven.com.uy/571/Eng/

They thought they went down in a different area than they really did.
They were out there 72 days... many died.

Most of them just are not sure where the plane went down... which is one thing.

It would really suck to have RADAR showing where the plane dropped... but not search there.
(Which is what happened in this case... the reason for the 11 hour delay. I'm glad it wasn't longer.)

BBM.

It's happened before, unfortunately. JAL 123 crashed into a mtn in Japan, and the SAR teams turned down American .mil assistance (a USAF c-130 had orig. spotted the crash).

Several of the dead died of shock and exposure during the night.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123#Delayed_rescue_operation

 

[panthera]

Evidently that area of the ocean is only 25-35 meters deep, so hopefully recovery won't be as difficult as it was w/ AF 447.

That is hopeful. Just want authorities to be able to determine what happened.

 

[bexlex]

Two stolen passports!!!!! neither person on the flight!


http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=22...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

that turns my stomach into major knots

 

[MsFacetious]

The CAUSE of that crash is extremely interesting...
Given this current planes previous wing accident... it's intriguing. :seeya:

BBM.

It's happened before, unfortunately. JAL 123 crashed into a mtn in Japan, and the SAR teams turned down American .mil assistance (a USAF c-130 had orig. spotted the crash).

Several of the dead died of shock and exposure during the night.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123#Delayed_rescue_operation

The official cause of the crash according to the report published by Japan's Aircraft Accident Investigation Commission is as follows:

1. The aircraft was involved in a tailstrike incident at Osaka International Airport seven years earlier as JAL115, which damaged the aircraft's rear pressure bulkhead.

2. The subsequent repair of the bulkhead did not conform to Boeing's approved repair methods. The Boeing technicians fixing the aircraft used two separate doubler plates, one with two rows of rivets and one with only one row when the procedure called for one continuous doubler plate with three rows of rivets to reinforce the damaged bulkhead.[19] The incorrect repair reduced the part's resistance to metal fatigue by 70%. According to the Federal Aviation Administration, the one "doubler plate" which was specified for the job (the Federal Aviation Administration calls it a "splice plate" - essentially a patch) was cut into two pieces parallel to the stress crack it was intended to reinforce, "to make it fit".[20] This negated the effectiveness of two of the rows of rivets. During the investigation, Boeing calculated that this incorrect installation would fail after approximately 10,000 pressurizations; the aircraft accomplished 12,318 successful flights from the time that the faulty repair was made to when the crash happened.

3. When the bulkhead gave way, the resulting explosive decompression ruptured the lines of all four hydraulic systems and blew off the vertical stabilizer. With the aircraft's flight controls disabled, the aircraft became uncontrollable.

 

[panthera]

Re: the terrorism angle, it's worth noting that the 2 stolen passports belonged to military-aged males, so it can be inferred that whomever was using them were also young men.

Although I would think you'd be hard pressed finding terrorists in that part of the world who could credibly pass for guys named "Christian" and "Luigi".

The age factor would fit the normal profile of someone involved in terrorist activity, although I do believe "Luigi" could be any male with a dark complexion. Being "Christian" I agree may be more difficult. Someone DID use them however and the scariest part is CNN is reporting Luigi's stolen passport had been reported to Interpol. Security it appears was very lax so who knows if "Christian" actually looked like the real one.



MOO

 

[Plumeria5]

Re: the terrorism angle, it's worth noting that the 2 stolen passports belonged to military-aged males, so it can be inferred that whomever was using them were also young men.

Although I would think you'd be hard pressed finding terrorists in that part of the world who could credibly pass for guys named "Christian" and "Luigi".

Good point! The Italian passport was from a 37 year old man and the Austrian one was 30. They would have had to have a second i.d. to somewhat match the photo on the passport unless they altered the photo.
I've never even had a passport before so I know nothing about them!

 

[Plumeria5]

The age factor would fit the normal profile of someone involved in terrorist activity, although I do believe "Luigi" could be any male with a dark complexion. Being "Christian" I agree may be more difficult. Someone DID use them however and the scariest part is CNN is reporting Luigi's stolen passport had been reported to Interpol. Security it appears was very lax so who knows if "Christian" actually looked like the real one.



MOO

Pretty sure I found Luigi's FB page and it was very eerie to see his favorite TV show is LOST!! Probably just a big old coincidence but very strange!

 

[panthera]

Good point! The Italian passport was from a 37 year old man and the Austrian one was 30. They would have had to have a second i.d. to somewhat match the photo on the passport unless they altered the photo.
I've never even had a passport before so I know nothing about them!

All possible, except more importantly, the person would have to be able to assimilate into the name on the passports. In other words, the men impersonating Christian and Luigi definitely aren't Chinese or Asian.

Has it been reported when the real Christian and Luigi had their passports stolen? Would also be interesting to know where the impostors sat on this flight.

 

[bexlex]

The age factor would fit the normal profile of someone involved in terrorist activity, although I do believe "Luigi" could be any male with a dark complexion. Being "Christian" I agree may be more difficult. Someone DID use them however and the scariest part is CNN is reporting Luigi's stolen passport had been reported to Interpol. Security it appears was very lax so who knows if "Christian" actually looked like the real one.



MOO

My first thought was "Wow, two Caucasian terrorists", my second thought was "I wonder if Thailand is the place to buy stolen passports".

 

[Plumeria5]

All possible, except more importantly, the person would have to be able to assimilate into the name on the passports. In other words, the men impersonating Christian and Luigi definitely aren't Chinese or Asian.

Has it been reported when the real Christian and Luigi had their passports stolen? Would also be interesting to know where the impostors sat on this flight.

I will have to find the link but one was stolen or lost 2 years ago and I'm not sure the second one was even reported.

 

[Sleuthster]

All possible, except more importantly, the person would have to be able to assimilate into the name on the passports. In other words, the men impersonating Christian and Luigi definitely aren't Chinese or Asian.

Has it been reported when the real Christian and Luigi had their passports stolen? Would also be interesting to know where the impostors sat on this flight.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ea-in-search-for-missing-Malaysian-plane.html

 

[bexlex]

OMG My husband's friend works for the company that had 3 americans on the plane AND he is on a 2 week trip to China. I think he left a while ago - I really hope so.

Please, Please let this not be them.

 

[popsicle]

Roughly, one was 8 months and the other 2 yrs, I believe.

 

[Plumeria5]

Rental car agency used it as deposit? Then it was gone? Hmmm...someone that worked at the rental car agency?? They better check their records for employees!

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/missing-malaysia-jet-stolen-eu-passports-22832673

 

[Scottndianner]

Re: the terrorism angle, it's worth noting that the 2 stolen passports belonged to military-aged males, so it can be inferred that whomever was using them were also young men.

Although I would think you'd be hard pressed finding terrorists in that part of the world who could credibly pass for guys named "Christian" and "Luigi".

Good point! Last sentence made me giggle :floorlaugh: