Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #1

[Plumeria5]

Awe...found it.

"Thai police are investigating a passport ring that may be responsible for two of the stolen passports. Both Kozel and Maraldi's passports were stolen when they were in Thailand, and the tickets sold to whoever used them were paid for in Thai baht. The tickets appear to have been sold at the same time (the e-ticket numbers are consecutive) and were booked on March 6, just the day before the flight. "Kozel" was supposed to fly to Frankfurt, while "Maraldi" was traveling to Copenhagen."

http://news.yahoo.com/stolen-passports-were-used-board-flight-mh370-195800755.html

 

[JudyBolton]

so....these are the things that stand out to me as "hinky"

Passengers boarding with stolen passports (either 2 or 4)
Passengers checking in, checking bags, not boarding flight (5)
Whatever happened, happened well into the flight - not during take-off/landing when most things happen.
No communication from cockpit of any problems
Appears that plane tried to turn but this was not authorized by ATC

So, there could be very reasonable explanations for all of the above...but these all together concern me. Other opinions?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Link in this thread said they are reviewing ccvid of them at check in. Will have to find it.... Hard on this little phone lol

Oh that's good. So they take video of people as planes board.
Iirc there's a person who checks your boarding pass but if the wrong holder of the pp got by them, they wouldn't be useful. Let's hope they have a list going in the order the people boarded. This passport boarded as the twentieth person and this passpost boarded near the end.
Is it that fine tuned? Do they put a number next to the passport/name or just an x as each person boards the plane?

 

[Waddles]

You would think there would be a computer program in place that would automatically search the stolen passport database, detect and alert within seconds once it is scanned. I find it insane that there isn't.

 

[Madame Poulet]

Oh that's good. So they take video of people as planes board.
Iirc there's a person who checks your boarding pass but if the wrong holder of the pp got by them, they wouldn't be useful. Let's hope they have a list going in the order the people boarded. This passport boarded as the twentieth person and this passpost boarded near the end.
Is it that fine tuned? Do they put a number next to the passport/name or just an x as each person boards the plane?

When I last took a flight the barcode on my boarding pass was scanned as I boarded the plane - not sure if it would have been done in this case but if so that would help

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Awe...found it.

"Thai police are investigating a passport ring that may be responsible for two of the stolen passports. Both Kozel and Maraldi's passports were stolen when they were in Thailand, and the tickets sold to whoever used them were paid for in Thai baht. The tickets appear to have been sold at the same time (the e-ticket numbers are consecutive) and were booked on March 6, just the day before the flight. "Kozel" was supposed to fly to Frankfurt, while "Maraldi" was traveling to Copenhagen."

http://news.yahoo.com/stolen-passports-were-used-board-flight-mh370-195800755.html

What do those destinations mean - Frankfurt and Copenhagen? From Beijing?
I'm lost. Although both cities are terrorist hubs imo.

 

[ilovepierre]

Radar showed a little hook indicating a turnaround (per husband).

Are the facts that the plane was 45 minutes into flight and had two hours left?
(because yesterday I read the plane had travelled two hours already)

The plane was 40 minutes into its flight when it suddenly dropped off the radar. The flight was about 6 hours long.
The information that the flight was 2 hours into it's travel time was incorrect reporting.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

When I last took a flight the barcode on my boarding pass was scanned as I boarded the plane - not sure if it would have been done in this case but if so that would help

Thank you. So if the barcode was scanned, the process would put in order who boarded when.
It's been well over ten years since I travelled internationally.
Wonder if all airports have a scanner system in place. Can't assume anything I guess.

 

[Steely Dan]

Sorry if this has already been posted, but this thread is moving too fast to go back on.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (CNN) -- The mysteries surrounding the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, and the true identities of some of its passengers, are as deep as the southeast Asian waters where multinational search teams are searching for the jet.

Navies from two of Malaysia's neighbors were pursuing new leads as Sunday turned into Monday in southeast Asia.

Vietnam's navy has spotted a floating object about 80 kilometers (50 miles) southwest of Vietnam's Tho Chu Island, which is located off the country's southwest coast in the Gulf of Thailand, Vietnam National Search and Rescue Committee Spokesman Hung Nguyen told CNN. The object was spotted by a Vietnamese navy rescue aircraft at about 7:30 a.m. ET Sunday (6:30 p.m. local time). Due to the dark, the navy aircraft could not get close enough to identify the floating object, and was recalled to base. Three search and rescue boats have since been deployed to that location....

Why can't every plane have a satellite finding signal?

 

[Waddles]

Another weird thing is the Chinese national whose actual passport number is on the passenger list under a different name but he wasn't on plane. The owner of the passport said it had never been lost or stolen nor had he travelled with it since he got it in 2007.

 

[Sleuthster]

What do those destinations mean - Frankfurt and Copenhagen? From Beijing?
I'm lost. Although both cities are terrorist hubs imo.

If it's to avoid extradition, they are mistaken. I looked and both Germany and Denmark do have written agreements to extradite if it is for certain crimes (ie, murder, robbery, etc). But this said, they would have had to plan to fulfill their flight plans and that did not happen.

 

[JudyBolton]

The plane was 40 minutes into its flight when it suddenly dropped off the radar. The flight was about 6 hours long.
The information that the flight was 2 hours into it's travel time was incorrect reporting.

Wow - they are all still reporting 2 hours - NBC, BBC, etc.
http://www.straitstimes.com/breakin...s-plane-timeline-events-flight-mh370-20140309

12.40 am - Flight MH370, a Boeing 777-200 carrying 227 passengers from 14 nationalities along with 12 crew members, took off from the Malaysian capital, Kuala Lumpur.

1.22 am - The plane was meant to transfer to Vietnam's Ho Chi Minh air traffic control but never appeared.

2.41 am - Malaysian air traffic control in Subang lost contact with the plane, some two hours after it left Kuala Lumpur
BBM
Just another example of not believing everything you read
What time did that other airliner communicate with them? They were apparently the last ones to make contact.

 

[Elley Mae]

This is just so bizarre to not have found anything yet. To me anyway. jmo

 

[SophieRose]

It depends. If it is terrorism they wanted to see where the weak spots are in security then, yes, they probably got what they wanted.

If their intent was something else like hijacking then, no, it wasn't a success.

If it was just a prelim run as you said and were planning something bigger, than they blew it because security will get tighter. Airlines will certainly start checking Interpol. I would think a first run would be like they did in the 9/11 attacks where they just flew on the planes that they would later take down. So I'm sure that whoever is involved in this investigation is checking to see who has previously taken this plane, especially the four with the stolen or fake IDs.

 

[gia2]

What do those destinations mean - Frankfurt and Copenhagen? From Beijing?
I'm lost. Although both cities are terrorist hubs imo.

The important part is not where the final destinations were to on the tickets. What is important is that on the day before the flight two tickets are purchased using the same online website within a short duration. Despite the fact that the tickets were to different final destinations, they shared the same first leg flight. Coincidentally, those people are using stolen passports.

It doesn't prove anything in terms of them being responsible, but it does look suspicious.

 

[Elley Mae]

What about the Black Box, Flight Data Recorder, wouldn't it send out a signal/beacon?

 

[catatonia]

Someone mentioned 'mumbling' being heard upthread, in a communication with the cockpit? It reminded me of a black box recording I heard once, with a pilot mumbling about Allah is great, over and over, and the co-pilot saying something like, 'What are you talking about?" just before the plane crashed. I think it was an Egyptian flight. I can't recall the cause of the crash - I just recall the mumbling was discounted as being of any importance.......

Do you mean EgyptAir Flight 990?

Hard to tell, however, it has been said that new passports have the photos embedded in them, making it extremely difficult for someone to do the "cut and paste". In any event, one would think the impostors would have to look like the names on the stolen passports. In other words, I cannot envision two Asian or Middle Eastern men with names such as Christian and Luigi.

Mhm, you're probably not going to buy any id, but the one that resembles your feautures the most. I bet the black market offers a wide range of different passports, since the demand for it is great.

As to the terroris theory, I'm still sceptical, since this incident is going to affect the security procedures worldwide (at least this is positive). That couldn't be on their behalf, regarding further/future attacks.

 

[gia2]

Another weird thing is the Chinese national whose actual passport number is on the passenger list under a different name but he wasn't on plane. The owner of the passport said it had never been lost or stolen nor had he travelled with it since he got it in 2007.

That is strange, but I think perhaps that explains how they found out there were fake passports being used. The names and passport numbers, when checked, didn't match!

 

[Isabelle]

If they were being forced by terrorists maybe?
I read that military radar data appears to indicate they turned around but I'm not sure how that works, I'll see if I can find this info

ETA
Malaysia's air force chief Rodzali Daud told a press conference that it appeared to have gone off-route. "We are trying to make sense of this … The military radar indicated that the aircraft may have made a turn back and in some parts, this was corroborated by civilian radar," he said.

The chief executive of Malaysia Airlines, Ahmad Jauhari Yahya, said the plane had not informed the airline and air traffic control authorities of its change of course, as it was supposed to do in such circumstances
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ia-airlines-flight-mh370-turned-around-search

Somehow I think authorities are blowing a lot of smoke to cover for inadequacies of their security system.

 

[panthera]

http://news.yahoo.com/stolen-passports-were-used-board-flight-mh370-195800755.html


Lots here. Tickets bought day before flight

Interesting also that the ticket holders chose Germany and Denmark as their destinations which would seem plausible with the real holders of those passports, but would also cost a lot more money than if the ultimate destinations had been Beijing, for example. Also curious if the Italian, Miraldi, had been to Denmark before his passport was stolen and therefore that is why the impostor booked Copenhagen as his destination?

:waitasec:

MOO