Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #13

[ilovepierre]

Expert on CNN now saying NOT having at least one of ELTs alerting is strange. Search should be extended over earth for this reason.

Unless the ELT is submerged more than 4 meters under water. It won't emit any signal if it's any deeper than that. They work on the surface of water.

 

[JerseyGirl]

The Pentagon said Friday that it has spent $2.5 million in the search for the missing Malaysian airliner

- See more at: http://www.610kvnu.com/politics/9f1a8b31341658cdc670d8c5ec1a5e06#sthash.zKhwRhgi.dpuf

Warren said the Pentagon has set aside $4 million for the search efforts, which should last into early April. There are variables that could affect future costs such as the number of flight hours and potentially any other assets that could be added to the search.

Warren said the U.S. will not seek reimbursement from Malaysia for the costs of the search.

 

[kalekona]

Which, IMO, all of the above is completely ridiculous in terms of the other side of the analogy dealing with commercial aircrafts, that carry civilian passengers.. Why in the hell-o would these all important NECESSITIES even have the ability to be turned OFF??..As far as I can tell, in speaking specifically about civilian passenger aircrafts, there is truly no good reason for powering off these necessities during any commercial flight that is carrying civilian passengers...So, WHY, WHY, WHY are these utmost of important tools even made to have the ability to be powered OFF??...IMO, that should not even be an available option..jmo.

*and to clarify..I am not saying the above member's post is ridiculous, I am saying that commercial aircraft that carry civilian passengers should not even have the ability to be powered off(tracking, communication, etc. abilities)

**Please forgive the limitations that come w/my posting via mobile ATM**

The reason they can be turned off is simple- so the pilot has the ability to shut the systems down if there is some kind of electrical fire or cascading failure.
I heard a pilot flat out say there is no way he would fly if he had no ability to shut things off if needed- basically he didn't want control left to chance.

All I can say is there are other devices that should have alerted if there was a crash or the plane went in the water-all of those devices could not be turned off manually. But for some reason NOTHING has alerted at all from that plane.

I for one am 100% behind the idea that the black boxes should be connected to the cloud.

 

[lawstudent]

The reason they can be turned off is simple- so the pilot has the ability to shut the systems down if there is some kind of electrical fire or cascading failure.
I heard a pilot flat out say there is no way he would fly if he had no ability to shut things off if needed- basically he didn't want control left to chance.

All I can say is there are other devices that should have alerted if there was a crash or the plane went in the water-all of those devices could not be turned off manually. But for some reason NOTHING has alerted at all from that plane.

I for one am 100% behind the idea that the black boxes should be connected to the cloud.

What is the cloud? Do you mean like a cloud computing system? I'm pretty sure those are essentially just servers - they require an Internet connection, and there are a bunch of different ones. The black box can't connect to anything if something happens to the plane because it needs power and Internet - that's why we have to use a special battery that eventually dies. It needs to work independent of any other connection. Plus, it's pretty hard to get all countries to be on a single network without some security issues. There's a reason we prefer to have our own systems and consult when needed.

ETA: Or are you saying a cloud computing system that records everything as it happens in real time? Again, countries would have to implement it, it would need an internet connection, and it seems like it would be vulnerable to hacking. And I bet pilots would have a serious issue with everything they say being recorded and possibly hacked into, regardless of whether there's a problem or not.

 

[CARIIS]

1:22-1:30am: Vietnam ATC attempts to reach MH-370, fails. Vietnam ATC asks nearby flight to contact MH-370.
1:30am: Nearby flight reports to Vietnam ATC MH-370 reply is only mumbling.
2:40am: Vietnam ATC notifies Malaysian Airlines it can't contact MH-370.

Vietnam ATC did take 1hr 10min to notify the airline. There was that delay.

This part is muffled ! Did MAL air stall in going public

If there is accuracy in ATC report (!) what were they doing for 70 min before notifying MAL.

If they had been attempting to make contact for 70 min- before doing anything those attempts would be on the ATC tapes!!

 

[Holly G. Lightly]

BBM

As you yourself state, McInerney is providing speculation, not information.

He's a retired general passing on rumors and speculation from his network of associates. That's to be taken with as large a grain of salt as possible.

History has shown that the speculation of the intelligence community is often at variance with the actual facts.

I don't dismiss his speculation. I take it seriously, but don't credit it as eminently more valid than the bulk of the (often violently disagreeing) speculation we've heard from all sorts of expert quarters since the plane vanished.

Yes, this is what I'm trying to communicate. Employing critical thinking skills demands that you look at where and from whom the information is coming. Of course he is speculating. That's what I was pointing out. I just differ from you in that I assign a bit more validity than a grain of salt to his speculations, that's all.

 

[faw720]

1:22-1:30am: Vietnam ATC attempts to reach MH-370, fails. Vietnam ATC asks nearby flight to contact MH-370.
1:30am: Nearby flight reports to Vietnam ATC MH-370 reply is only mumbling.
2:40am: Vietnam ATC notifies Malaysian Airlines it can't contact MH-370.

Vietnam ATC did take 1hr 10min to notify the airline. There was that delay.

This part is muffled ! Did MAL air stall in going public

If there is accuracy in ATC report (!) what were they doing for 70 min before notifying MAL.

If they had been attempting to make contact for 70 min- before doing anything those attempts would be on the ATC tapes!!

Could the muffling be the pilot loosing consciousness?

 

[Momoffourboys]

All this is related to the hysteria in the media to alright goodnight (a nicety) t!!f

Please notice that the first sentence starts with a nice greeting from this person
Please note the next sentence same back from tower totally congruent with last word behaviorally

Please note the next two sentences he repeats data given (again behavioral habit stuff)

The next two interactions contain pleases TY back and forth

an atmosphere has been established between the two

Two sent later another kind word with one another
Next sent please again

A short time before the handoff he makes sure everyone is on the page reminding all involved that he is maintaining 35 seems like diiligent pilot

In sum I counted 11 pleasantries while the two were interacting

the final two words are congruent with the rapport that had been established between the two from the onset!

IMO The hoopla is because the pilot (or whoever was at the controls) did not follow protocol with final communication. According to "experts" (please don't yell at me:tantrum pilots and especially Asian pilots usually do.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

It seems logical that if a plane has lost contact with its assigned ATC that the ATC would quickly alert neighboring ATCs to be on the lookout for that plane's location/condition. Seventy minutes could have made some difference in being able to locate the beginning of the problem.

No one believes the ATCs can reach their hands up in the sky to rescue an airplane that is in trouble ~ but certainly they can be a timely alert that has the possibility of assisting in narrowing the location of an endangered flight.

 

[Holly G. Lightly]

Could the muffling be the pilot loosing consciousness?

I found the "mumbling" very interesting.

 

[ToutCa]

This part is muffled ! Did MAL air stall in going public

Plane was reported missing after it didn't arrive at its destination and its fuel allowance expired.
That's normal for air disasters.

If there is accuracy in ATC report (!) what were they doing for 70 min before notifying MAL.

If they had been attempting to make contact for 70 min- before doing anything those attempts would be on the ATC tapes!!

ATC tapes have not been released. We only have the Malaysian ATC transcript, which ends with the last word from the plane. We haven't seen the Vietnam ATC transcript yet, so we don't know what they said and did.

Vietnam ATC performance probably wasn't perfect, but they could not have helped MH-370 in any way, nor did their 70-minute delay in reporting the flight missing hinder the search in any meaningful way.

 

[Holly G. Lightly]

The Pentagon said Friday that it has spent $2.5 million in the search for the missing Malaysian airliner

- See more at: http://www.610kvnu.com/politics/9f1a8b31341658cdc670d8c5ec1a5e06#sthash.zKhwRhgi.dpuf

Warren said the Pentagon has set aside $4 million for the search efforts, which should last into early April. There are variables that could affect future costs such as the number of flight hours and potentially any other assets that could be added to the search.

Warren said the U.S. will not seek reimbursement from Malaysia for the costs of the search.

This tidbit of information brings me some relief. If they're not willing to spend a bunch of money to find the plane, then they must not think it's hiding somewhere in Pakistan. Maybe?

 

[Derryn Hunch]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/22...ive-material-may-pose-dirty-bomb-threat-iaea/

Radiactive Material Missing - Could Be Used For Dirty Bomb


- for all those keeping the plane landed theory alive

 

[dh109977]

Have we heard from either the pilot or copilots families?

 

[ToutCa]

It seems logical that if a plane has lost contact with its assigned ATC that the ATC would quickly alert neighboring ATCs to be on the lookout for that plane's location/condition. Seventy minutes could have made some difference in being able to locate the beginning of the problem.

No one believes the ATCs can reach their hands up in the sky to rescue an airplane that is in trouble ~ but certainly they can be a timely alert that has the possibility of assisting in narrowing the location of an endangered flight.

None of that would have done the least bit of good in this case.

MH-370's trasponder was off and no ATC could see it.

Locating the beginning of the problem would have been useless in showing where MH-370 had flown on (thousands of miles) as the problem developed.

Vietnam ATC's 70-minute delay in calling Malaysian Airlines was inept. But calling the airline earlier would not have narrowed the location of the plane or done the slightest thing to help anyone on board.

 

[ilovepierre]

I found the "mumbling" very interesting.

So do I!

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2...nn_psychic_have_theories_on_the_missing_plane

in a past page on this thread there was a reference to Rush Limbaugh's radio program that aired today...

In the program...There is a discussion regarding a theory of the connection between the two ex-navy Seals (there is a WS thread on them) that died while keeping the MVP Maersk Alabama secure... And the missing Malaysian jet...

See above link,for this discussion...

This is just for your information...

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm not trying to be argumentatvie, but this doesn't make sense to me either. The red dotted lines are the estimated ping arcs, and the the final turn on this map shows this plane going northwest. When did it turn south? I have yet to see a map that shows a final southern turn. Am I going crazy?

Probably already answered but my understanding is that they don't know which way the plane went, either north or south, which is why both directions remain a possibility. There is no additional ping after the last one to indicate which way the plane went but it only had about an hour of fuel left after the final ping and it should have pinged again if it did not run out of gas.

With that in mind, they are only guessing the plane went south due to lack of additional pings combined with the satellite images thought to possibly be a plane. If similar images showed up in the north, they'd check for the plane there as well.

Please correct me if I'm not explaining this right.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

None of that would have done the least bit of good in this case.

MH-370's trasponder was off and no ATC could see it.

Locating the beginning of the problem would have been useless in showing where MH-370 had flown on (thousands of miles) as the problem developed.

Vietnam ATC's 70-minute delay in calling Malaysian Airlines was inept. But calling the airline earlier would not have narrowed the location of the plane or done the slightest thing to help anyone on board.

It has been reported that Thailand has since indicated they had an unidentified aircraft in view. If they had been alerted to MH-370's situation perhaps they could have tracked it further or alerted someone (anyone!) about what they were seeing at the time, as opposed to, days later, saying they saw something but never said anything because they weren't asked.

Locating the beginning of the problem is never useless.

 

[JerseyGirl]

I found the "mumbling" very interesting.

According to this theory:

'All pilots have frequencies that we use to chat on,’ says Mr Durie. ‘Often this is company traffic, when crew from the same carrier are simply talking to each other.

‘Technically, it’s not legal, but the practice is widespread and many pilots tune into the easy-to-remember VHF band of 123.45.’
If another pilot heard some mumbling, it is possible that it was chat coming from another pilot on the same frequency. However, it could have been a crew member from MH370.

The mumbling suggests to me that the pilot was passing out from a lack of oxygen,’ says Mr Durie, ‘which could mean that the aircraft had suffered an explosive decompression, such as a window popping out, or a small hole appearing in the fuselage.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ysteries-surrounding-MH370.html#ixzz2weVmyneY