Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #13

[SmoothOperator]

Anything humans build, humans can turn off. That's just the nature of it. Everything needs a power source. If there's an electrical fire or something of that nature, powering the system becomes dangerous. And if it was automated, what if the system malfunctioned? A pilot would need the ability to turn it back on. Plus, even if there were no buttons, you would cut a wire or whatever. Everything needs power, and power can always be cut.

I disagree. ELT's do not have an available option to be switched off.. Yes, there are limitabilities with the ELT in it could for various reasons fail to work, or be at a depth underwater that disallows the ping to be successfully transmitted and received. But as I said it does not have the available option for someone to turn it off...jmo.

**Please forgive the limitations that come w/my posting via mobile ATM**

 

[Boodles]

My point was that there was a delay in looking for the plane &t hat delay is why we have no clear idea where to look for it.

And why didn't civilian ATC contact military ATC to say "hey we lost a plane! Can you see it?" Why wasn't that resource utilized? Of course, the military ATC should have been paying attention in the first place trying to id a random plane in their airspace. :sigh:

 

[Isabelle]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/22...ive-material-may-pose-dirty-bomb-threat-iaea/

Radiactive Material Missing - Could Be Used For Dirty Bomb


- for all those keeping the plane landed theory alive

Too bad they didn't mention where it's missing from.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Have we heard from either the pilot or copilots families?

From the co-pilot's family:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...es-co-pilot-comforts-family-article-1.1725449

 

[ElleElle]

I disagree. ELT's do not have an available option to be switched off.. Yes, there are limitabilities with the ELT in it could for various reasons fail to work, or be at a depth underwater that disallows the ping to be successfully transmitted and received. But as I said it does not have the available option for someone to turn it off...jmo.

**Please forgive the limitations that come w/my posting via mobile ATM**

They can be pulled out, because they appear to be like cartridges/cassettes. I am not sure where they are located on the 777, though.

 

[Derryn Hunch]

It's not looking great for the co-pilot right now is it....

 

[Tiepos]

According to this theory:

'All pilots have frequencies that we use to chat on,’ says Mr Durie. ‘Often this is company traffic, when crew from the same carrier are simply talking to each other.

‘Technically, it’s not legal, but the practice is widespread and many pilots tune into the easy-to-remember VHF band of 123.45.’
If another pilot heard some mumbling, it is possible that it was chat coming from another pilot on the same frequency. However, it could have been a crew member from MH370.

The mumbling suggests to me that the pilot was passing out from a lack of oxygen,’ says Mr Durie, ‘which could mean that the aircraft had suffered an explosive decompression, such as a window popping out, or a small hole appearing in the fuselage.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ysteries-surrounding-MH370.html#ixzz2weVmyneY

Layman’s guess here, but wouldn’t a window popping out, or a hole in the fuselage compromise the structural integrity of the plane, or at least its ability to fly correctly? Would it be able to continue flying for 7 or more hours after that?

 

[Isabelle]

It's not looking great for the co-pilot right now is it....

Not sure I follow.

 

[ElleElle]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/22...ive-material-may-pose-dirty-bomb-threat-iaea/

Radiactive Material Missing - Could Be Used For Dirty Bomb


- for all those keeping the plane landed theory alive

That would be me. :seeya: Until it is found, I have hope the passengers of MH370 are safe.

Maybe that's the delay? Maybe the plane was hijacked and all the nations are trying to negotiate with the hijackers since it flew over lots of airspace, including military airspace?

 

[CARIIS]

In light of the mind numbing history of making proclamations, denying them (even though some are on video), re stating them, confessing later to them etc. etc
……
Do you all realize, that from the very beginning the world has assumed that the notions about how much fuel was actually put in that night has never been challenged?

With the battery reveal today, why would we assume there is any accuracy in that?

And think about it THAT IS HUGE, in terms of the plane landing and being hidden. This data could change the ENTIRE game.

Everyone’s arcs, maps, alogthytums, somrthyums, bitrhythims (!)Are basedo in that assumption.

According to "officials " from the begining it was reported that she had engough fuel for what 6 hours? So the implication in that statement is that she was not fueled to capacity,.

But what if she was?

1. It’s an extended range triple 7. The distance between Beijing to Kuala Lumpur International Airport is 2,725 mi
2.
3. . They would put some diversion scenarios.
4.
5. Boeing 777 200ER has a range of 8,900 miles; a diversion backup is not triple to the distance of the entire flight

.At 500 MPH if topped off the aircraft can remain in the wild blue yonder for 17 hrs.

So far we have not found anything, the ELT never binged, the systems that would suddenly stop in the event of a crash remained on for at least 7 hours (or detectible) while the stuff that typically activate if crashed have done nothing.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Layman’s guess here, but wouldn’t a window popping out, or a hole in the fuselage compromise the structural integrity of the plane, or at least its ability to fly correctly? Would it be able to continue flying for 7 or more hours after that?

I don't think so but the other theory is lack of oxygen, if the plane did ascend to 45,000 feet.

 

[Derryn Hunch]

Damn... my mate in QLD is out at Caboolture airfield right now - he was taking his son up for a flight this arvo, just witnessed a plane go in... all 6 on board dead

 

[ElleElle]

It's not looking great for the co-pilot right now is it....

How do you mean?

 

[trigger]

It's not looking great for the co-pilot right now is it....

Now I'm curious....

 

[Momoffourboys]

Not sure I follow.

He spoke the last words.

 

[ElleElle]

Layman’s guess here, but wouldn’t a window popping out, or a hole in the fuselage compromise the structural integrity of the plane, or at least its ability to fly correctly? Would it be able to continue flying for 7 or more hours after that?

No, because the aircraft gets de-pressurized quickly and disintegrates. I may not be correct, JMO.

United Airlines Flight 811 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Wanted to point out some things in the transcript:

1. The plane was told to head towards (I guess, target) the IGARI waypoint. Wasn't that the waypoint that military radar picked up the plane? If so, the plane wasn't going off course yet. The IGARI waypoint was part of the plane's intended flight path? Am I understanding that correctly, or not?

2. Finally, we have some context into the "All right, good night." We now know the pilot was told to contact Ho Chi Minh City, and that was why he responded with "all right, good night." Obviously contact was never made.

3. The disclaimer at the bottom regarding the translation. I doubt the communication was in Mandarin. I am going to say it was either in Malay or English.

BBM

Sorry if this has already been answered; I'm getting behind on reading!

That instruction was at the time of takeoff; so I'm guessing the Igari waypoint was enroute as they going eastward (as well as when they went westward, later). The airport was on the west side of Malaysia.

 

[CARIIS]

Maybe that's the delay? Maybe the plane was hijacked and all the nations are trying to negotiate with the hijackers since it flew over lots of airspace, including military airspace?[/QUOTE]

That is what I beleive . Obviously that was not my first thought the first 8-9 days. Then there were a couple of transition days.

Then finding out about cargo handling and what Free Scale sells put me over the top!!

 

[ElleElle]

He spoke the last words.

Oh! He said, "Alright, goodnight".

As much as people don't like this, I still find the co-pilot suspicious. :twocents:

 

[Momoffourboys]

Oh! He said, "Alright, goodnight".

As much as people don't like this, I still find the co-pilot suspicious. :twocents:

I have finally admitted to myself...i find it all suspicious. Everything.