Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #14

[ilovepierre]

So at the end of a day I'd have 500 plus new emails? No thanks. :waitasec: :razz: :doorhide: ullhair: :help: :viking:

Look, I found this :worldmap: we can refer to.

Ya, I'll pass too!
My phone would be vibrating all day if that was the case! :floorlaugh:

 

[ElleElle]

I have been scolded already talking about the pilots of this aircraft. We are to assume that everyone on that flight is a victim. I spent time in Singapore while in oilfield business and only flew Singapore Airlines. IMO, after studying the Captain of this aircraft, well...

I believe you can discuss the pilots, just not sleuth and post.

I get the feeling you believe Capt. Shah is responsible for this?

 

[lawstudent]

Peoples views can change. Almost every person that ever committed suicide did not have those views all their life. Something changed in the person's life to want to throw it all away.

Just because he was with the airlines for X number of years does not mean that something may have changed in his life to cause him to view things differently and get into a state of despair.

I have a lot of different theories I am entertaining and I am not saying I particularly think this is what happened. Just pointing out that it doesnt mean anything to me that he worked for the airlines for X number of years.

Yes, but this was in response to the idea that Malaysia didn't hire its pilots carefully. If his views did change recently, they wouldn't have known it at the time of hiring.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

At least that account of South African Airways 295 gives home hope in this case, as long as it is known where MH370's black box is. Hopefully it won't take two years to determine where it went down!

MOO

Has nothing to do with Malaysian gov't. They are embarrassed right now with the hiring process of Airline Captains...JMO

TY, AuburnSchnauzer. They, imo, have not been forthcoming about anything and should be embarrassed with more than their hiring processes.

 

[Brightbird]

I could almost entertain this theory but then why not try to fly to nearest airport for emergency landing. If the plane did in fact fly for 8 hours then they had plenty of time to fly to nearest airport for emergency landing.

Every theory I try to entertain comes back to either hijacking or pilot(s) doing something nefarious on purpose.

Yeah, I have trouble reconciling it with the odd flight path too. I've surmised that the left turn was an attempt to turn back for an emergency landing, while they were still thinking clearly. The alternative flight path could have been pre-programmed in case of an emergency. Perhaps they became hypoxic and confused and set the plane off on some course that made no sense. I can't recall how long the pilots oxygen lasts for. And this is assuming it was still flying at an altitude that causes serious decompression. I don't understand the engineering of planes though, so I can't really assess the feasibility of this theory. I just don't 'feel' anything nefarious. I'm considering that an incredibly unlikely and bizarre set of unfortunate coincidences occurred to make this the first ever commercial jet to seemingly disappear.

 

[aa9511]

I don't, but someone posted a link in one of these 14 threads.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[mommylicious]

Ya, I'll pass too!
My phone would be vibrating all day if that was the case! :floorlaugh:

@Woe.Be.Gone and ilovepierre - you don't have to receive emails. You can set it up for no notifications, daily, instant (maybe other timeline, too). I have subscriptions for each of the cases I follow but don't receive notifications. It's nice because I can go to my subscriptions page (under "quick links" at the top) and see which ones have new posts without having to go to each thread. I have about 30 threads I follow (thankfully most are cold cases so they don't move much at all!!) and this helps me keep track. :fence:

 

[aa9511]

I would like to know the reason WHY they doctored the Iranian men's pics.

There has to be some reason.

Or did they want everyone to "run with" that story? Maybe that's why they did it.

When hey saw that didn't work, they started throwing Captain Shah out for the media to latch onto.

As usual, I know nothing about anything in this tragedy - down is up and up is down.

JMO.

 

[panthera]

So at the end of a day I'd have 500 plus new emails? No thanks. :waitasec: :razz: :doorhide: ullhair: :help: :viking:

Look, I found this :worldmap: we can refer to.

:silly:

 

[Brightbird]

Peoples views can change. Almost every person that ever committed suicide did not have those views all their life. Something changed in the person's life to want to throw it all away.

Just because he was with the airlines for X number of years does not mean that something may have changed in his life to cause him to view things differently and get into a state of despair.

I have a lot of different theories I am entertaining and I am not saying I particularly think this is what happened. Just pointing out that it doesnt mean anything to me that he worked for the airlines for X number of years.

I agree. I was just responding to AuburnSchauzers comment that MA are embarrassed about their hiring of captains. Captain Shah has a long record with MA. If he lost the plot, it doesn't mean MA dropped the ball.

 

[TracyLynnS]

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HTH!

 

[CARIIS]

: autopilot. I get that a plane can follow the waypoints it did with autopilot. Where I'm confused is why the autopilot would take it out into the middle of the ocean until it ran out of fuel. I

That is the core lie. It did not run out of fuel or crash in the ocean. The endpoint they are claiming is when they got the last ping. The reason that was the last ping is that they were way way out there not that the flight ended..........................crashed........

Going to use silly numbers but the 777 holds 100 gallons of fuel

The flight to china requires 23 gallons

They put 2 gallons on top for diversion if needed

Our pilots filled this plane up with 100 gallons....if he was planning on coming back do you know how much trouble he would be in ----having the plane haul 75 gallons of fuel for no reason cost 100's and 100;s of thousands

No airline does that they calculate route add some diversion the diversion is never 3x the actual flight!

The implications are enormous ---translates to both knew

The entire essence of flight is your gross weight

It influences when you lift off runway, flaps, and angle of attack cruise everything

It is all punched in on board computers

They can’t cheat on that in the plane they would crash on the runway on takeoff because the machine would not be configured for the correct weight!

Mr. Hansford pointed to the amount of fuel likely on board the Boeing 777-200, at nearly full capacity with 31,000 gallons instead of the 45 per cent loading required to pilot a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, as being a strong indicator that MH370's disappearance was not accidental.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tion-search-debris-resumes.html#ixzz2wnHDUGUA


I went to pilot forum, where not allowed to post from and I sent it to Daryl this am these pilots gave it in metric tons whereas the guy above did it gallons I do not know how to do that stuff

I want to see; when Daryl works me does it come out to the same sad conclusion that when they took off they knew the might need 3 xs what is needed to make it to china

PS: When she is topped off her range is 8900 Miles! To china was like 2900!

Now the questions are where it (hanger) who many others participated is and do they want something or want an encore performance of a 9-11 event.

I also ponder if the belly was not filled to the brim with all sorts of new technology accompanying our 20 engineers - black market steals the technology etc.

I think hopefully the next new news (lie one of the first things one would ask how much fuel they put on before takeoff

Answers a lot of questions Boeing believes the plane is in Pakistan.
It’s not in the water – its 3000 miles further than they think it is the radius for the search arc is from believing that plane was fueled to china with some diversion added on
...

 

[ElleElle]

TY, AuburnSchnauzer. They, imo, have not been forthcoming about anything and should be embarrassed with more than their hiring processes.

I don't think it has to do with their hiring process. However, security processes, yes. JMO.

 

[ilovepierre]

I would like to know the reason WHY they doctored the Iranian men's pics.

There has to be some reason.

Or did they want everyone to "run with" that story? Maybe that's why they did it.

When hey saw that didn't work, they started throwing Captain Shah out for the media to latch onto.

As usual, I know nothing about anything in this tragedy - down is up and up is down.

JMO.

Maybe the one with the doctored legs was in front of or standing by a counter or something, so his legs can't be seen. I can't really see any other reason why they would put the same legs on both men.

 

[Hatfield]

Yeah, I have trouble reconciling it with the odd flight path too. I've surmised that the left turn was an attempt to turn back for an emergency landing, while they were still thinking clearly. The alternative flight path could have been pre-programmed in case of an emergency. Perhaps they became hypoxic and confused and set the plane off on some course that made no sense. I can't recall how long the pilots oxygen lasts for. And this is assuming it was still flying at an altitude that causes serious decompression. I don't understand the engineering of planes though, so I can't really assess the feasibility of this theory. I just don't 'feel' anything nefarious. I'm considering that an incredibly unlikely and bizarre set of unfortunate coincidences occurred to make this the first ever commercial jet to seemingly disappear.

Yeah, I suppose anything is possible at this point. If everyone on board was somehow knocked out by the decompression and somehow the flight path was set on autopilot after that turn, then I can see where maybe the plane flew till it ran out of gas.

I do wonder still about the 8 hour estimate. I didnt do a good job of catching all the details early on and where the 8 hour thing came from. Like how do we know this plane was really in the air 8 hours. I suppose somewhere it must have been said there was some pinging going on for the 8 hours. But I think the plane landing is a possiblity too if the plane landed and somehow kept the plane running on the runway for the 8 hours.

The whole 8 hour thing seems a little sketchy to me.

 

[ilovepierre]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Well it's true :floorlaugh:
I can't be bothered right now to sift through 14 threads.
The "Links Only" doesn't have a whole lot of links added to it, so I couldn't find it there. Google only has the most recent news and I don't want to sift through pages of Google searches.

I know I read the info about the pilot's wive somewhere here and IIRC there was a link. Finding the link is like trying to find where this plane is!

 

[ElleElle]

Yeah, I have trouble reconciling it with the odd flight path too. I've surmised that the left turn was an attempt to turn back for an emergency landing, while they were still thinking clearly. The alternative flight path could have been pre-programmed in case of an emergency. Perhaps they became hypoxic and confused and set the plane off on some course that made no sense. I can't recall how long the pilots oxygen lasts for. And this is assuming it was still flying at an altitude that causes serious decompression. I don't understand the engineering of planes though, so I can't really assess the feasibility of this theory. I just don't 'feel' anything nefarious. I'm considering that an incredibly unlikely and bizarre set of unfortunate coincidences occurred to make this the first ever commercial jet to seemingly disappear.

Ok, let's this is what has happened. The plane makes a left turn to make an emergency, then everyone is hypoxic onboard and the MH370 flies around for x amount of time until it crashes. However, these cannot be explained:

• no mayday call
• no black box
• no radar detection

 

[Holly G. Lightly]

If this is a case where the crew were incapacitated, like in a hypoxia event (loss of oxygen), and the plane flew south until it ran out of fuel, then it doesn't sound like the plane would just glide into the ocean.

This is from the wikipedia article on the Payne Stewart plane:

Impact occurred approximately 1713Z, or 1213 local, after a total flight time of 3 hours, 54 minutes, with the aircraft hitting the ground at a nearly supersonic speed and an extreme angle.[4] The Learjet crashed just outside of Mina, South Dakota, in Edmunds County on relatively flat ground, and left a crater 42 feet (13 m) long, 21 feet (6.4 m) wide, and 8 feet (2.4 m) deep. None of its components remained intact.[1]

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash"]1999 South Dakota Learjet crash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

ETA: The plane was flying on autopilot.

 

[Hatfield]

Maybe the one with the doctored legs was in front of or standing by a counter or something, so his legs can't be seen. I can't really see any other reason why they would put the same legs on both men.

The photo of the guy on the right shows his full body and the picture of the guy on the left was in basically the same exact area as you can see from the background in the 2 pictures. So, IMO, they purposely did not want to show the guys feet on the left.

IMO, I think it was due to the boots or something the guy must have had on. I suspect he had on some unusual larger boots or something that would make people think he could have a shoe bomb. And that maybe why Malaysia is purposely hiding the image of his feet.

Whether or not they really were hijackers, I think Malaysia was purposely hiding the guy on left feet because he has on unusual larger boots or something.

 

[CARIIS]

shame on me!!!!!

the mystory phone lady

ok they say the call was made on a special untraceable phone but their busy tracking her down ????????????????? What the heck does that even mean?!?!?


call me stupid i think a tiny cell phone might be harder to find than a jumbo jet but what do i know!!

well, they have been trying to do the same thing with a 250 ton airplane and we all know how that is going!!!