Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #16

[JerseyGirl]

Excellent post from last night about both the 9/11 families and Malaysia airlines families, maybe we should have been rioting the streets of New York , storming embassiess, throwing water bottles at government officials, etc. in the days following the collapse of the WTC buildings. No, the next day we were all told to go on "business as usual", pick yourselves up:

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This group of family members has been one of the most vocal that we have ever seen in voicing their mistrust of what they are being told by so-called "authority figures" - be they the various Malaysian government figures or the Malaysian Airlines figures. I don't know how they perceive the truthfulness of what is being told to them by their own "authority figures" such as Chinese Ambassadors, representatives, etc.

But I must say I think we have to hand it to them in their outspokenness - and they are coming from a country where speaking out isn't exactly the norm, right?

In some ways I wish there had been a little more outspokenness right after 9/11 when it seems we Americans were not being given quite the full picture on several events that happened that day. Some of those things - for example the collapse that evening of World Trade Center Building #7 later that evening - have never been fully explained and still seem to be quite suspicious to many, many people. Most of whom were quickly labeled "conspiracy theorists" and relegated to the "fringes of the internet".
But not all were "conspiracy nuts" and some thorough reading of what was and was not investigated by the 9/11 Commission makes for some interesting reading.

My deep sympathies to the family members of the lost aboard the plane. It may be a long, long time - if ever - that there are any real answers as to what actually happened on the plane.

 

[SouthAussie]

So will they be looking tomorrow?

I don't think anyone is sure ....

This morning, AMSA stated that search operations were “expected to resume tomorrow, if weather conditions permit”, but if conditions continue to deteriorate it could be several days before the search is resumed.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...-in-indian-ocean/story-fnizu68q-1226863821771


It is now 9:20pm in Perth - so it will be a good 8-8½ hours before we know.

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[Carmelita]

It seems that China is not pleased with the Malaysian announcement sans physical evidence

http://[link removed]/news/politics...ds-malaysian-satellite-data-on-plane-n1814056

 

[SheepMan]

I was listening to a legal analyst last night on CNN and they said that lawsuits will most likely start in Malaysia and China (Malaysian airlines, Chinese passengers) and possibly Australia because the plane fell in their international waters. The Estates can sue if they find fault, in that case most of the deep pocket lawsuits will be handled in the United States because the engines were made here at Boeing.

Not sure that reporter is correct on a couple of points. First if it's international water then it's not belonging to Australia. Also the engines aren't made by the US company Boeing, they are made by Rolls Royce, a UK company. I would imagine at this point the last thing the relatives are thinking is of lawsuits.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Not sure that reporter is correct on a couple of points. First if it's international water then it's not belonging to Australia. Also the engines aren't made by the US company Boeing, they are made by Rolls Royce, a UK company. I would imagine at this point the last thing the relatives are thinking is of lawsuits.

U.S. attorneys are already on the ground in Beijing.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/21/news/companies/malaysia-airlines-insurance/

 

[bijoux]

It could be years and years. These types of accident investigations cannot be resolved overnight.

Yes, I agree JerseyGirl. I don't understand the negative remarks here regarding Malaysia's handling of this investigation. It is not solely theirs anyway but rather a collaborative effort involving cream of the crop engineers, search and rescue teams, and intelligence agencies worldwide. No one is pulling any wool over anyone's eyes, and as you also stated, the families have been updated well or at least as best as possible.

 

[JerseyGirl]

more info about Allianz:

Many of Malaysia Airlines' expenses will be covered by the maze of insurance policies that cover a plane and its passengers. Coverage averages between $2 billion and $2.5 billion per aircraft, including about $10 million per passenger, Havel said.

The first claims for the missing airliner itself have already been paid. Insurer Allianz Global Corporate & Specialty said Wednesday it and other firms "have made initial payments" of an unspecified amount on so-called hull and liability policies that are part of "our contractual obligations where an aircraft is reported as missing."


bbm

http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/21/news/companies/malaysia-airlines-insurance/

 

[marlywings]

While aviation expert Neil Hansford is sure authorities “haven’t told us everything” -- he believes the announcement was based on all the evidence available.

He continued: “While we all hold out dreams for what happened... this at least gives them (the families) some closure - if they choose to take the closure.”

The decision also allows for the progress of insurance payouts, Mr Hansford said, which cannot occur while the families are in limbo, even though the full story may not be known for several years.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...nes-flight-mh370/story-fnizu68q-1226864340266

 

[Supernovae]

It would seem that they can definitively state from the evidence that equipment from the MH470 last "pinged" from a particular point in the Indian Ocean. That still leaves the thorny questions of how it got there, what it did on the way and why, given the evidence of deliberate diversion. The "handshakes" occurred on the hour. Do they have any way of knowing it was in the air for all that time? Could it have unloaded cargo and (possibly) passengers? Is there any possibility that the equipment in communication with Inmarsat could have become separated from the plane and still sent and received signals?

 

[aa9511]

The New Straits Times’ darkened front page showed an aircraft above the words “Goodnight, MH370” — a reference to the last message from the cockpit, “All right, good night”

On social media sites such as Twitter and Facebook, many Malaysians turned their profile backgrounds black or displayed a plane icon in tribute to the victims.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-c...black-in-tribute-1.531434#ixzz2wyStxlHKaysian

Omg that is soooooo sad.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Yes, I agree JerseyGirl. I don't understand the negative remarks here regarding Malaysia's handling of this investigation. It is not solely theirs anyway but rather a collaborative effort involving cream of the crop engineers, search and rescue teams, and intelligence agencies worldwide. No one is pulling any wool over anyone's eyes, and as you also stated, the families have been updated well or at least as best as possible.

BBM
I would disagree with your statement (respectfully, of course!) but I would not even know where to begin. Hmmm maybe the day the flight departed KL and they neglected to run passenger passports through Interpol. Again, :moo:, and it may have nothing to do with this tragic outcome. Regardless, incompetence.

 

[SouthAussie]

Looks like the weather may still be bad tomorrow morning as Tropical Cyclone Gillian blows through the area. It is leaving the Perth area now and heading south-west (into the search zone).

http://www.bom.gov.au/wa/forecasts/nwcyclone.shtml

At least, that is what I think this forecast is saying.

 

[aa9511]

MALAYSIAN authorities have revealed more about the final minutes of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 and now say that it probably plunged into the ocean sometime between 8.11am and 9.15am on Saturday March 8.

The new details, which were garnered from never before used technology, have helped trace the Boeing 777-200’s final deadly flight path.

MH370 was last captured by satellite at 8.11am in a wide arc covering two massive northern and southern corridors. This was its last complete “handshake” with the Inmarsat satellite.

After that, at 8.19am there was evidence of the jetliner making a partial handshake with the ground station.

Then, sometime between 8.11am and 9.15am, it was no longer communicating with the ground station.

Investigators have therefore concluded that MH370 disappeared and crashed into a remote area of the southern Indian Ocean during that time.

By this time the jet would have been out of fuel. Authorities have previously said that at 8.11am the jetliner would have had about 30 minutes worth of fuel left

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-in-indian-ocean/story-fniztvng-1226863821771

So maybe around 8:45 am?

The fact that it was daylight makes it almost worse, IMO, b/c it was daylight and yet no one knew about it or could see it or knew this plane was in the air and about to run out of fuel.

So, so sad.

 

[Isabelle]

I would be enraged if I got on an international flight and found out passports had not been checked. That seems like derelict of duty.

 

[Isabelle]

Looks like the weather may still be bad tomorrow morning as Tropical Cyclone Gillian blows through the area. It is leaving the Perth area now and heading south-west (into the search zone).

http://www.bom.gov.au/wa/forecasts/nwcyclone.shtml

At least, that is what I think this forecast is saying.

Mother Nature is not happy!

 

[Prosecution_Rests]

Well, the announcement yesterday was a signal that it may be time to pack up your crayons and go home.

I have a feeling that those who readily accept the "seen wreckage" claim without proof will also be very much against any ideas of foul play that is responsible for allegedly taking this superior aircraft down.

So God bless the families but odds are, they will never get the proof that their loved ones are in the ocean and they will likely never get answers as to why the plane is allegedly in the Ocean in the first place.

 

[cluciano63]

JMO, China was not going to accept anything from Malaysia anyway. I really hate that the word "murderers" came up, in relation to the Malaysians. They lost people too, as well as over a dozen (13?) crew members. Sometimes a tragedy is just a tragedy. Not everything is someone's fault. In any case, we are a loooong way from knowing why this happened. JMO

ETA as far as the stolen passports...we have no idea if this was a factor in the least as to the crashing of this plane. I don't like to,assume anything about that at this point.

 

[aa9511]

Yes, I agree JerseyGirl. I don't understand the negative remarks here regarding Malaysia's handling of this investigation. It is not solely theirs anyway but rather a collaborative effort involving cream of the crop engineers, search and rescue teams, and intelligence agencies worldwide. No one is pulling any wool over anyone's eyes, and as you also stated, the families have been updated well or at least as best as possible.

THe thing is, someone did something to that plane. They labelled it "criminal investigation" a few days ago - and yet they, conveniently, never talk about the "criminal" aspect of it. Except for continously throwing the pilots' names out there for everyone to latch onto.

Mary Schiavo on CNN is always saying that in the US, they do the investigation and the search at the same time, concurrently.

I don't know what Malaysia is doing. No one does. Are they doing search and investigation at the same tiime? Or are they only focused on the search? Because they have not said much if ANYTHING about the actual "criminal investigation' part of it.

If they ARE not currently doing any type of investigation (other than check pilots), then they could miss out on a lot of information that could be destroyed in these past almost 3 weeks now. Wouldn't it be of utmost importance to start investigating right away so that valuable information is not lost?

Maybe they are doing some investigating, and they are just keeping it secret. I think that's what gets the families so angry.

JMO.

 

[Carmelita]

Looks like the weather may still be bad tomorrow morning as Tropical Cyclone Gillian blows through the area. It is leaving the Perth area now and heading south-west (into the search zone).

http://www.bom.gov.au/wa/forecasts/nwcyclone.shtml

At least, that is what I think this forecast is saying.

I believe that it is entering the autumn season there, the ocean in that region is rough on the most days, I think we are entering a season when it will be hostile at best on many days, which will only further hamper search efforts. Any oceanographers here on WS?

 

[Carmelita]

JMO, China was not going to accept anything from Malaysia anyway. I really hate that the word "murderers" came up, in relation to the Malaysians. They lost people too, as well as over a dozen (13?) crew members. Sometimes a tragedy is just a tragedy. Not everything is someone's fault. In any case, we are a loooong way from knowing why this happened. JMO

ETA as far as the stolen passports...we have no idea if this was a factor in the least as to the crashing of this plane. I don't like to,assume anything about that at this point.

I wasn’t referencing the families of the Chinese casualties so much as their emotions are likely to be running high especially after the song and dance from Malaysian officials. In my opinion the Malaysian government's hands are dirty, starting with its negligent slow release of information to the international community that this plane, a) flew off course, b)there was no contact with the cockpit after the first hour of flight and c) its current status was "missing".

What I find most interesting about the article is this sentence

"The Chinese government, meanwhile, demanded that Malaysia turn over the satellite data it used to conclude that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 went down in the southern Indian Ocean with no survivors after turning back from its flight path to Beijing on March 8."

I wonder if Malaysia has shared the satellite data it has used to draw its conclusion with to any other governments. Maybe it has and I just missed it in the plethora of information and misinformation that surrounds this case.