Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #18

[ElleElle]

:australia:

In your capable hands. :loveyou:

I'm glad there is organization with many nations which means they are not giving up.

 

[Tiepos]

I didn’t think the transponder was switched off before the final voice transmission. It was originally theorized that ACARS was disabled before the final voice transmission (that wouldn’t have been discovered until the next data transmission was late/missed), but now they’re not even sure if that didn’t happen until after.

I would think that if the transponder was disabled before the final voice transmission, ATC would have said something, because you’d think that would have been immediately noticed.

 

[SouthAussie]

Is that episode available online to US peeps? TIA!

This is our Aussie link .. episode is in two parts. Part 2 is showing on-screen (for me). Part 1 is in the listing to the right.

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/videoindex.aspx


If the link won't work for you, they often put it up on YouTube. You may find it there.

 

[trigger]

Here is the press conference link


I am pleased to announce that Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston AC AFC will lead a new Joint Agency Coordination Centre (the JACC) that will be based in Perth to coordinate the Australian Government's support for the search into MH370. A former Chief of the Defence Force, Air Chief Marshal Houston is an individual of enormous experience and great skill who has already served his country with distinction.

https://www.pm.gov.au/media?field_m...-03-30&field_end_date[value][date]=2014-03-30

 

[TDoc72]

Other people, sorry idk who they are, were thanking everyone also. PM Abbott says If this mystery is sovable we will solve it. Says every country bearing its own cost. We got the best people working on this search. This is the best we can do.

Thanks for the info. But :-( was really hoping for some new incredibly credible new top secret super info about the search.

 

[Soulmagent]

BBM ~ It could have broken in half descending? I have this image of it gliding down, then breaking apart.

I have an image of it running out of gas at 400+ miles an hour and slamming the water. Thats what seems to happen when planes run out of gas.

The leer jet people kept comparing this case too, left a huge whole in the ground.

I guess I think if the plane crashed it shattered.

I however dont think the plane crashed because not one piece of anything we know about it points to that conclusion.

 

[JustAMunch]

I do agree....it seems a bit drastic..,,BUT because Anwars acquittal was overturned, it means that he could not run in a by-election, which means he could not run for future prime-minister.... so really IF the pilot did it for political reasons, I would think it was to somehow put a bad spotlight on the corrupt government and overturn the charges on Anwar all together so that he would be capable of becoming next prime minister.......

Once again I say a big "if" as it does seem very drastic to kill 238 innocent people, unless he maybe thought it was worth it for the overall good of his country...

Did anyone in Australia watch th Sixty Minutes segment on it last night....the two aviation experts (one was American) they had in both agreed that it was deliberate, and one even said along the lines of - there is nil, none, zero evidence of mechanical fault in any way............he stressed this point...

I found it interesting and I don't believe it was mechanical either.....

Yes I watched it last night too, and also found it interesting they seemed to suggest pilot suicide to have the most circumstantial evidence in this case.

It was interesting also to realise how lax Malaysian military was to notice an unidentifiable plane and to not send a plane to check it out.

Here is a link to the segment hopefully you can stream it in the US
http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/videoindex.aspx

 

[panthera]

I try to remember there has not been a case in recent years where the airliner/debris could not even be located. So of course, nothing can be confirmed until that happens, at least. I really don't know how capable any country would appear in these circumstances. Jmo

Agree. The biggest problem, in my opinion, occurred long before anyone began searching: Why did no one even notice the plane was "off course" until it failed to land in Beijing?

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[TDoc72]

Not trying to cannonize the pilot; just keeping an open mind. Because WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. Sure, it looks like the plane was set off course deliberately and even this assumption could be wrong. But we don't know by whom-- Captain, co-pilot, or hijacker. Lots of theories, not a lot of facts out there. We may know once recorders are found but that could be months or years away. Or we may never know.

 

[mck16]

I have an image of it running out of gas at 400+ miles an hour and slamming the water. Thats what seems to happen when planes run out of gas.

The leer jet people kept comparing this case too, left a huge whole in the ground.

I guess I think if the plane crashed it shattered.

I however dont think the plane crashed because not one piece of anything know about it points to that conclusion.

Everything I have heard on CNN is that the plane just stops going forward and falls tail first.

 

[Tiepos]

I think it’s totally bizarre that they keep talking about how vast this ocean is, and how remote their location is - yet they keep finding all this trash!

I understand how and why this is happening, but it’s still totally weird that they can find some fishing boat’s discarded bag of peas and carrots, but they can’t find a single item from this massive aircraft.

 

[TDoc72]

To any of our pilot peeps:

If the pilot was in a hypoxic state, could he have turned off the transponder while attempting to turn something else on or off? Like communications radio or anything? Anything of interest near that switch? Just a thought I had.

 

[trigger]

:australia:

In your capable hands. :loveyou:

I'm glad there is organization with many nations which means they are not giving up.

PM Abbott said "The search will go on, no matter what."

 

[Brightbird]

I do agree....it seems a bit drastic..,,BUT because Anwars acquittal was overturned, it means that he could not run in a by-election, which means he could not run for future prime-minister.... so really IF the pilot did it for political reasons, I would think it was to somehow put a bad spotlight on the corrupt government and overturn the charges on Anwar all together so that he would be capable of becoming next prime minister.......

Once again I say a big "if" as it does seem very drastic to kill 238 innocent people, unless he maybe thought it was worth it for the overall good of his country...

Did anyone in Australia watch th Sixty Minutes segment on it last night....the two aviation experts (one was American) they had in both agreed that it was deliberate, and one even said along the lines of - there is nil, none, zero evidence of mechanical fault in any way............he stressed this point...

I found it interesting and I don't believe it was mechanical either.....

The cynic in me thinks that 1) sixty minutes chose those experts because the "deliberate action" theory is good for ratings, and 2) those experts are only too happy to assert that theory because it gets them gigs on shows like 60 minutes.

 

[Brightbird]

Everything I have heard on CNN is that the plane just stops going forward and falls tail first.

That's what they showed on 60 minutes last night. The plane falling tail first, at 26,000ft per minute iirc.

 

[ilovepierre]

What about the transponder being switched off before saying goodnight?

Could have been Fariq that turned it off, since he was the flying the plane (at least that's what was said a few pages back) and was the one communicating with ATC.

I thought it was turned off AFTER MH370 last made contact with any ATC.

 

[ilovepierre]

To any of our pilot peeps:

If the pilot was in a hypoxic state, could he have turned off the transponder while attempting to turn something else on or off? Like communications radio or anything? Anything of interest near that switch? Just a thought I had.

That's what I keep thinking too.

 

[dotr]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysi...ock-winding-down-on-black-box-beacon-battery/

"PERTH, Australia - The so-called black box, or automated flight data recorder, was invented by Australian David Warren in 1953 after he had lost his father in a plane crash as a boy.

Sixty years later, in the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, Australia -- along with America and China -- has taken the lead in the race against time to try and locate the plane's wreckage somewhere across a stretch of southern Indian Ocean estimated to be an area roughly the size of Poland, about 1,150 miles to the west of Australia."

 

[ElleElle]

I didn’t think the transponder was switched off before the final voice transmission. It was originally theorized that ACARS was disabled before the final voice transmission (that wouldn’t have been discovered until the next data transmission was late/missed), but now they’re not even sure if that didn’t happen until after.

I would think that if the transponder was disabled before the final voice transmission, ATC would have said something, because you’d think that would have been immediately noticed.

First, I want to make sure this in fact took place. I am just going by what i'm reading.

BBM ~ Exactly! So, what is going on? Why wasn't this noticed and followed-up on? :banghead:

 

[Brightbird]

Question about the suicide theory..... didn't I hear in initial reports that the plane was only carrying enough fuel to get it to it's destination? Which wasn't enough fuel to get it to the Indian Ocean. So how would a suicidial pilot working alone be able to get the extra fuel loaded?

The flight to Beijing was 6 hours and posters with aviation experience have said it would have been carrying some reserve, say an hours worth. That's app. 7 hours of flying time. If it crashed when the ping data says it did - between 8am & 9am then it flew for 7.5 - 8.5 hours. Flying time is affected by speed and altitude. So I think it's roughly consistent with the amount of fuel it should have been carrying for the flight to Beijing.