Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #18

[ilovepierre]

OT: I'm watching Zoolander and the opening scene is in Malaysia and they showed some video clip of the Malaysian PM getting elected.

 

[TracyLynnS]

My opinion on why some of us being sort of protective of the pilot is partly due to the way the media treated him.

Some of what's been reported was information that needed to be looked into. He was the captain and this plane was in his hands.

But tons of it was ridiculous. The Daily Mail led the pack in trash "journalism". They tried to make his RC model airplane hobby into something sinister by showing one of his model planes that had the ominous word "RESCUE" on it. They showed a photo of him in the kitchen holding a cleaver and a dish of meat, taking that out of context and trying to make him look like a crazed ax murderer when we all know he was just fond of cooking. They called him a political fanatic because he supported democratic government. And it just went on and on....

The way it's being reported is so unfair when we don't yet know if he's involved or not.

 

[Boodles]

This is our Aussie link .. episode is in two parts. Part 2 is showing on-screen (for me). Part 1 is in the listing to the right.

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/videoindex.aspx


If the link won't work for you, they often put it up on YouTube. You may find it there.

Thank you, it works! :gthanks:

 

[Brightbird]

First, I want to make sure this in fact took place. I am just going by what i'm reading.

BBM ~ Exactly! So, what is going on? Why wasn't this noticed and followed-up on? :banghead:

I guess when it dropped off Malaysia's ATC they thought it had crossed into Vietnam airspace? That's been my assumtption all along. Idk if planes are only visible to the airspace they are in.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I do agree....it seems a bit drastic..,,BUT because Anwars acquittal was overturned, it means that he could not run in a by-election, which means he could not run for future prime-minister.... so really IF the pilot did it for political reasons, I would think it was to somehow put a bad spotlight on the corrupt government and overturn the charges on Anwar all together so that he would be capable of becoming next prime minister.......

Once again I say a big "if" as it does seem very drastic to kill 238 innocent people, unless he maybe thought it was worth it for the overall good of his country...

Did anyone in Australia watch th Sixty Minutes segment on it last night....the two aviation experts (one was American) they had in both agreed that it was deliberate, and one even said along the lines of - there is nil, none, zero evidence of mechanical fault in any way............he stressed this point...

I found it interesting and I don't believe it was mechanical either.....

Yes, it was really good .. here it is for locals: http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/8821458/Flight-MH370-flight-simulator it's in two parts, these sometimes end up on YouTube during the week, so I'll keep checking just in case it does .. based on what they said, I now think that it was likely the pilot too. I think the transcript is there at the link.

 

[ilovepierre]

My opinion on why some of us being sort of protective of the pilot is partly due to the way the media treated him.

Some of what's been reported was information that needed to be looked into. He was the captain and this plane was in his hands.

But tons of it was ridiculous. The Daily Mail led the pack in trash "journalism". They tried to make his RC model airplane hobby into something sinister by showing one of his model planes that had the ominous word "RESCUE" on it. They showed a photo of him in the kitchen holding a cleaver and a dish of meat, taking that out of context and trying to make him look like a crazed ax murderer when we all know he was just fond of cooking. They called him a political fanatic because he supported democratic government. And it just went on and on....

The way it's being reported is so unfair when we don't yet know if he's involved or not.

I agree!
The media wanted sensational headlines/stories so they chose to write things that cast the pilot in a bad light. They twisted everything around.

 

[Momoffourboys]

I think...there is more to this. IMO

12 MINS AGO
WORLD
Malaysia Digs Deeper Into Airport Security, People Aboard Flight 370
Interviews, Background Checks Turn Up Nothing to Incriminate Passengers and Crew
Interviews and background checks have turned up nothing to incriminate the passengers and crew in the disappearance of a Malaysia Airlines jet, prompting officials to look again and more thoroughly.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles...0001424052702304157204579470852435044352.html

 

[ElleElle]

Could have been Fariq that turned it off, since he was the flying the plane (at least that's what was said a few pages back) and was the one communicating with ATC.

I thought it was turned off AFTER MH370 last made contact with any ATC.

BBM ~ I'm quite certain there are "reports" of it being turned off being saying goodnight.

I'm going to look it up, now.

 

[Snoods]

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/591800-diego-garcia-philip-wood-ibm-engineer-on-flight-mh370-posts-photo-from-prison/

This is a hoax, somebody's idea of a joke. I can't believe it was picked up by any media. They must be really desperate for a "scoop." This is where it originated:

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/27839190/

ETA: Reading back and y'all are one step ahead of me, as usual. Sorry for the redundant post!

 

[Intermezzo]

What about the transponder being switched off before saying goodnight?

The transponder was not turned off before the final verbal communication, which was at 1:19am..it was turned off afterwards

you may be thinking of the ACARS system..that was believed to have been turned off before..but what we do know is that ACARS transmitted every 30 mins..it did transmit at 1:07am but the next transmission at 1:37am did not occur..

I have read ,at the link below, that the Transponder as turned off at 1:21am
At 1:22am MH370 should have reached the INGARI navigational waypoint

A timeline for missing MH370

http://abcnews.go.com/International.../story?id=22912595&ref=https://www.google.ca/

 

[Soulmagent]

Everything I have heard on CNN is that the plane just stops going forward and falls tail first.

Like a dead stop ? It seems to defy logic.

If I run my car out of gas at 100 mph. It still goes forward. Maybe the tail drops but forward motion doesnt just stop.

 

[Steely Dan]

Yes, it was really good .. here it is for locals: http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/8821458/Flight-MH370-flight-simulator it's in two parts, these sometimes end up on YouTube during the week, so I'll keep checking just in case it does .. based on what they said, I now think that it was likely the pilot too. I think the transcript is there at the link.

Those poor families

 

[HMSHood]

Maybe the two Iranians were thoroughly checked out and found to be innocent. BUT, what if they were given new shoes as a send-off gift, not knowing that one pair was triggered to go off when the plane reached a certain altitude or some other trigger occurred?

I just heard one "expert" on CNN say that the new search area may not be right either and he thinks the plane did not get near that far because of changing altitudes burned gas faster. I think we may need to re-examine all the eye witness accounts and take their word that they spotted or heard something that night. They also need to release the info on the pings and the times and let other organizations recalculate the findings, comparing the results to the accounts of the eye witnesses.

I agree that those eyewitness accounts need to be looked at.

 

[panthera]

I think it’s totally bizarre that they keep talking about how vast this ocean is, and how remote their location is - yet they keep finding all this trash!

I understand how and why this is happening, but it’s still totally weird that they can find some fishing boat’s discarded bag of peas and carrots, but they can’t find a single item from this massive aircraft.

Most likely because the fishing boat's discarded vegetable bag fell off the boat or was dropped into the water whereas the airplane may have plummeted to the ocean floor due to weight and airspeed.

MOO

 

[Momoffourboys]

This is our Aussie link .. episode is in two parts. Part 2 is showing on-screen (for me). Part 1 is in the listing to the right.

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/videoindex.aspx


If the link won't work for you, they often put it up on YouTube. You may find it there.

Thank you for this. Just watched both.
Heart breaking.
I have always believed this was intentional. I still do.

 

[mck16]

To any of our pilot peeps:

If the pilot was in a hypoxic state, could he have turned off the transponder while attempting to turn something else on or off? Like communications radio or anything? Anything of interest near that switch? Just a thought I had.

where are you coming up with that. ty

 

[ElleElle]

"Authorities believe that Flight 370′s transponder was intentionally shut off, delaying search and rescue efforts and helping to conceal the plane’s location – a mystery unsolved more than 10 days after the Boeing 777 vanished.

It’s rare for a pilot to turn off a transponder during flight, but occasionally there is cause.

- Sometimes a transponder malfunctions, giving out incorrect readings.

- The device could have an electrical short or catch on fire. Pilots would want to shut it down rather than risk a fire spreading to the rest of the cockpit or airplane.

- Pilots used to routinely turn off transponders on the ground at airports so as not to overwhelm air traffic controllers with so many signals in one location. That is increasingly less the case as pilots now use “moving map” displays that take the transponder data and show them the location of other planes on the ground, helping guide them around airports without mishaps.

“As long as there are pilots, they’ll be able to switch off systems,” said Andrew Thomas, editor-in-chief of the Journal of Transportation Security.

Airplanes have two transponders. There are two knobs in the cockpit – one on the right, the other on the left – that control one or the other. When one transponder is on, the other is normally in standby mode.

To turn off a transponder, a pilot turns a knob with multiple positions and selects the “off” setting. The second transponder doesn’t automatically activate if the first one is shut down – a knob would also have to be turned. In this case, it appears one transponder was turned off, and the second not activated.

Ross Aimer, a retired United Airlines pilot and former 777 instructor, said it is possible that one pilot could reach up and turn off the transponder without the other pilot seeing it, say if one was looking away or distracted."

Link: http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...s-even-have-an-off-switch-for-crucial-device/

 

[Snoods]

Like a dead stop ? It seems to defy logic.

If I run my car out of gas at 100 mph. It still goes forward. Maybe the tail drops but forward motion doesnt just stop.

I watched a show about a passenger jet which leaked all of its fuel due to improper maintenance but the pilot was able to glide it to a safe landing. They descended at about 2,000 feet per minute.

Air Transat Flight 236 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[TDoc72]

PM Abbott said "The search will go on, no matter what."

To paraphrase Celine Dion: Near, far, wherever you are. I believe that the search will go on.

 

[mck16]

To paraphrase Celine Dion: Near, far, wherever you are. I beliee that the search will go on.

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