Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #2

[Fortunate]

OMG! The pilots asked those 2 teenage girls to join them for the whole flight?! The captain was not the captain of #370 but the co-pilot was. And they (the pilots) smoked in the cockpit while flying? I can't believe they did that! What in the world? I am starting to question the co-pilot now.

Yes, scary! Makes me not to fly any longer. JMPO

 

[Little Jedi]

Interpol preparing to give Press Conference

( this should be interesting )

 

[catatonia]

Are the Natuna Islands on or near the flight path that MH370 was on? Is it near the last known place the plane was picked up on radar? Most of the islands are uninhabited though so if the plane did go down near that area, no one would have seen or heard anything.

but what about the satellite coverage not showing any signs of explosions?

I'm beginning to wonder now if the stolen passports etc.. has absolutely nothing to do with the MIA plane and 239 souls.

Perhaps it was struck down by military? On purpose or accident?

It is even possible (with regard to the needed explosive) that a "common" missile can cause a plane to "disentegrate or rather to vaporize without any debris being found?

Have they searched the jungles for it? Or just the sea? TIA.

The flotilla of naval ships and some three dozen aircraft will comb both sea and the jungle-clad Malaysian-Thai border for the lost Boeing 777-200ER jet with 239 people onboard.

Source: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/...for-mh370-stretches-from-sumatra-to-hong-kong

I am just jumping off your post...

but... I have a crazy theory... But will share anyhow...

could the whole plane (and passengers/crew) be held for ransom... Some officials know about it somewhere...,but cannot divulge information due to strict orders of the plane/kidnappers?

Sounds silly... I know... But this whole situation is so baffling... That thinking outside the box doesn't even sound so extreme... KWIM?

:waitasec:

but then again, who would come into consideration? NK? I'm also wondering that they mean with "things we can't tell you." and especially why did they admit it at all? Statements like these only raise more questions and further speculation.

BREAKING: A Malaysian military source told Reuters they believe they tracked #MH370 on radar to Strait of Malacca.

?????

They identified the other person with a stolen passport, but IDK if it's okay to post a name.

Interpol is holding a PC right now, saying they're still looking for survivors.

 

[SilkySifaka]

OMG! The pilots asked those 2 teenage girls to join them for the whole flight?! The captain was not the captain of #370 but the co-pilot was. And they (the pilots) smoked in the cockpit while flying? I can't believe they did that! What in the world? I am starting to question the co-pilot now.

It is not that abnormal for co pilots to have command of the plane. When the miracle on the hudson happened, you could tell when Sully took the plane over from the co pilot when he said "my plane" or something close to that, telling him he was now flying it.

Smoking on planes isn't that unusual in asia i don't think, it certainly doesn't hurt the plane.

jmo

 

[hockeymom]

I'm beginning to think the stolen passport guys are not involved,but am wondering about the copilot. The question still remains,if a decent from sky,why didn't radar pick it up,and if an explosion occurred midair,no satellite imagery?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I found this interesting:

6 facts not being reported...

http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html

Good article and interesting points about the black box - it's meant to be bombproof / waterproof / indestructible and should signal for 30 days. Where the hell is it?!?!?

 

[Derryn Hunch]

It is not that abnormal for co pilots to have command of the plane. When the miracle on the hudson happened, you could tell when Sully took the plane over from the co pilot when he said "my plane" or something close to that, telling him he was now flying it.

Smoking on planes isn't that unusual in asia i don't think, it certainly doesn't hurt the plane.

jmo

The statement would be "I have control" or "My Aircraft" and the other pilot would remove all hands and feet off the controls and repeat back "You have control" or "Your Aircraft" - basically it makes a statement that covers several bases all in one.

It obviously makes clear to the crew that one of them is taking over control and that the other is aware of that with the response back, secondly it gives a clear statement on any Cockpit Voice Recorders as to who is in control of the aircraft at that time.

Its unusual that they would smoke in the cockpit due to the sensitivity of electronics and instruments and cigarette smoke eventually damaging that, but its not an immediate danger. Also its just plain illegal really.

 

[Derryn Hunch]

OMG! The pilots asked those 2 teenage girls to join them for the whole flight?! The captain was not the captain of #370 but the co-pilot was. And they (the pilots) smoked in the cockpit while flying? I can't believe they did that! What in the world? I am starting to question the co-pilot now.

I was invited to fly in the cockpit whilst flying with Malaysian Airlines in Jan/Feb this year - in the 777-200's and the 737-800's.

 

[Seabreeze1]

Good article and interesting points about the black box - it's meant to be bombproof / waterproof / indestructible and should signal for 30 days. Where the hell is it?!?!?

Interesting article.

I came across this strange case. Spooky to say the least.

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~vufors/valensum.htm

 

[SisterWolf]

I would certainly prefer my pilot to be smoking a cigarette if he's addicted to nicotine. I don't want a pilot who's withdrawing from nicotine piloting the plane I'm on thanks very much! More dangerous if they're not allowed to smoke if they're smokers!

 

[catatonia]

Malaysia's military believes it tracked a missing jetliner by radar over the Strait of Malacca, far from where it last made contact with civilian air traffic control off the country's east coast, a military source told Reuters.

In one of the most baffling mysteries in recent aviation history, a massive search operation for the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER, now in its fourth day, has so far found no trace of the aircraft or the 239 passengers and crew.

"It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait," the military official, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters.

Police had earlier said they were investigating whether any passengers or crew on the plane had personal or psychological problems that might explain its disappearance, along with the possibility of a hijack, sabotage or mechanical failure.

The plane left Kuala Lumpur for Beijing early on Saturday morning, vanishing from civilian radar screens about an hour after take-off over the sea separating eastern Malaysia from the southern tip of Vietnam.

There was no distress signal or radio contact indicating a problem and, in the absence of any wreckage or flight data, police have been left trawling through passenger and crew lists for potential leads.

"Maybe somebody on the flight has bought a huge sum of insurance, who wants family to gain from it or somebody who has owed somebody so much money, you know, we are looking at all possibilities," Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu Bakar told a news conference.

Source: both http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140311

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Lets get a grip here guys, they have not secreted 239 people plus 12 crew as a test of technology. Where would you keep them for decades as they can't get back to family or the test is no longer secret. Kill them all? I know U.S. companies have done some bad things but again where would they be now and I don't think they could have done it without someone leaking, its not like hiding an iphone in a large company.

IMO something catastrophic happened, either a hijacking that went bad or explosive decompression and they just haven't found the debris yet.

I do believe we aren't hearing everything but again, not because they are trying to hide the bodies. The airline and the two governments (three if you include vietnam) want this found as badly as the rest of us.

So Lost wasn't real???!

 

[Aviator]

There's nothing remotely wrong with being in a cockpit as a passenger, as long as they are sane - it's very hard to believe terrorists can get through airport security let alone get in the cockpit without causing suspicion.

By the way the only country that's banned cockpit entry is UK, even the US allows it, just airlines choose not to. Even then it's pilot discretion because he's ultimately responsible.

DfT are very tight about cockpit security; but I for one know it's not impossible if you ask.

 

[Little Jedi]

Second man identified

Interpol later identified the other man as Delavar Syed Mohammad Reza, 29.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/mh370-passenger-stolen-passports-identified-/story?id=22856994

 

[Softail]

MH370 latest: Interpol says terrorist act unlikely

The disappearance of Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 was most likely not due to a terrorist incident, the secretary-general of international police agency Interpol said on Tuesday.

Ronald K. Noble told a press conference: "The more information we get, the more we are inclined to conclude it is not a terrorist incident."


http://www.cnbc.com/id/101482050

 

[madamehdivision]

Goodness, I've just read both threads over the past few hours.

What a saga! So many twists and turns. And that Mr. Ali guy is in SO much trouble now. Way to get busted, champ! So, this stolen passport terrorism thing was a complete red herring. Now i cant shake the feeling that co-pilot rendered pilot incapacitated in order to carry out his own plan, whatever that may have been. But that's just my distorted view of human behaviour coming into play.

Seriously though? I don't know. I haven't a clue. All I do know is that there are lots of people mourning tonight, and I pray for closure. What a terrible tragedy.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Good Lord! Another day and no news (of the actual plane, that is)!?!?!?!?

 

[popsicle]

CNBCWorld ‏@CNBCWorld https://twitter.com/CNBCWorld
#BREAKING: Interpol Secretary General says inclined to think Malaysia plane disappearance was not a terrorist incident

 

[catatonia]

Photojournalist Desmond Lim travelled with an RSAF C-130 participating in the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. He found out how difficult a search-and-rescue operation over the open sea is.

http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big...on-board-singapore-search-and-rescue-aircraft

Another interesting read: www.mh370lost.tumblr.com

maybe someone here with knowledge of aviation can comment on that (accurate/false etc.) ?

 

[Nova]

Understood. But never, ever leave your passport in someone else's hands.
Something isn't right about this practice or story imo.
A knowledgeable tourist would never leave their passport for the purpose of securing a rental.
A reputable business would never ask a customer to leave their passport imo....

It sounds like your experience is more recent than mine, but when I traveled abroad, all sorts of people took my passport--customs officers on moving trains, innkeepers (overnight), rental agents, etc. Frankly, I was pretty shocked. (I'm talking about Western Europe and the Balkans.)