Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #2

[What'sThatClue]

The story (stories) out there about Paul Weeks giving his wedding ring and watch to his wife prior to boarding the flight just gives me chills.

(Lots of articles out there, this is just one)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-missing-flight-MH370-case-happen-him.html

 

[dotr]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/flight-...ines-plane-widened-intensifies-focus-on-land/
bbm.

"CBS News correspondent Chip Reid reports that the waters between Malaysia and Vietnam are relatively shallow. But shallow water presents its own problems - tides and currents are stronger, scattering debris more quickly. Shallow water can also confuse sonar, sound waves used to locate objects on the ocean floor.

Oceanographer David Gallo led the 2009 search for Air France Flight 447, which went down in deep water in a remote section of the Atlantic Ocean. Search teams located the wreckage within five days but it took another two years to the flight data recorders in an underwater mountain range,

"I always like to think that we need to start by finding the haystack, and then we can look for the bits of the needle in that haystack and in this case the haystack is huge because we just don't have the clues," Gallo told CBS News".

 

[kimi_SFC]

But a new, unconfirmed theory surfaced Tuesday that suggested the jet had veered off course, ending up in the Malacca Strait. Reuters news agency, citing an unidentified Malaysian military source, said the plane flew across the Malaysian peninsula in its final minutes, where it was picked up by military radar. Malaysian media reported that some residents spotted a plane flying at about 3,000 feet — 10 times lower than cruising altitude — near the eastern city of Kota Bharu.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...8e8-11e3-8599-ce7295b6851c_story.html?hpid=z1

bbm

Here is an image from the quoted story Elley Mae posted tyou: Elley Mae :seeya:

[URL=http://s1220.photobucket.com/user/kimi_SFC/media/MalaysiaRange_zpsc8ba3e1e.jpg.html][/URL]

ETA: here is the URL to the full size image to see the detail more clearly
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/an-unprecedented-missing-aircraft-mystery/2014/03/10/6075a4ee-a8c2-11e3-8599-ce7295b6851c_graphic.html

 

[Plumeria5]

I was invited to fly in the cockpit whilst flying with Malaysian Airlines in Jan/Feb this year - in the 777-200's and the 737-800's.

But I think there is a little difference here. You are a pilot. Those were teenage girls, total strangers to the pilots, with no reason to be in a cockpit surrounded by controls that are a lifeline to hundreds of innocent passengers and innocent people on the ground. If I find out that I am being piloted by pilots who are smoking and entertaining passengers while flying a plane, that will be the last time I fly their airlines. Period.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

not to sound light, but this company has 18,000 employees.

Athletic teams fly together on a single plane to and from games, and many of the U.S. athletes flew to Sochi, Russia for the Olympics in large groups, as well. I'm sure that it's more convenient and cost-effective to arrange for groups of travelers to fly together to the same destination. :moo:

CNN covering the story live.

 

[kimi_SFC]

A BOEING 777 pilot, who was flying 30 minutes ahead of the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft, said he established contact with MH370 minutes after he was asked to do so by Vietnamese air traffic control.

The captain, who asked to not be named, said his plane, which was bound for Narita, Japan, was far into Vietnamese airspace when he was asked to relay, using his plane's emergency frequency, to MH370 for the latter to establish its position, as the authorities could not contact the aircraft.

"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace. "The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot.

"There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end. "That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection," he told the New Sunday Times. He said those on the same frequency at the time would have heard the exchange. Thhis, he said, would include vessels on the waters below.

He said he thought nothing of it, as the occurrence (of losing contact) was normal, until it was established that MH370 never landed. "If the plane was in trouble, we would have heard the pilot making the Mayday distress call. But I am sure that, like me, no one else up there heard it.

"Following the silence, a repeat request was made by the Vietnamese authorities to try establishing contact with them."


Read more: MISSING MH370: Pilot: I established contact with plane - General - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/nation/genera...hed-contact-with-plane-1.503464#ixzz2vflGUArp

Here is the image from the quoted article Jersey*Girl posted. :tyou: J*G!

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[Blue_Dolphin308]

Just heard on CNN that they still have not ruled out terrorism.

 

[kimi_SFC]

Just heard on CNN that they still have not ruled out terrorism.

In all honesty, it feels like we are in a vacuum, with a lack of information (that's just how it feels to me), and I have to wonder if there's a reason CNN is saying this. Do their experts have specific information? Or are they, like us, unwilling to rule anything out because we just don't have enough information to draw conclusions?

This case is beyond frustrating for us all, as a global community. The pain and angst is exponential for the family and friends who are literally hanging on every tidbit of speculation and news, in the hopes it will bring them one step closer to being reunited to their loved ones.

raying: their wait ends soon.

 

[TopTop]

Just heard on CNN that they still have not ruled out terrorism.

I don't think they will be able to rule out anything with 100% certainty until they find the wreckage, black boxes and perform tests. Where is the plane??:banghead:

 

[belimom]

Here is the image from the quoted article Jersey*Girl posted. :tyou: J*G!

[URL=http://s1220.photobucket.com/user/kimi_SFC/media/67a71f9a-0d5d-4217-bc7b-194ccd0ff84c_zpsf67ecbd7.png.html][/URL]

I think his story is believable - that he had contact. But why would he contact them? Was it broadcast that they were missing and he tried to radio them? He was 30 minutes ahead, not behind, where he may have seen the plane drop down and turn, or something like that.

Does he say why he contacted them?

 

[popsicle]

Jon Ostrower ‏@jonostrower https://twitter.com/WSJAsia/malaysia-airlines-flight/

Theories, theories, everywhere and not a drop of fact. #MH370

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Ongoing discussion of the missing plane on CNN.

Transponder off for an hour while plane was making a U-turn and continued flying west.

 

[belimom]

It seems confirmed that the military radar picked up this plane flying over the Malacca Strait. If so, and if the plane crashed from a very low altitude, the chance for survivors greatly increased. If that's the case, I hope it's not too late - for at least one or two folks. (Slim chance, I know.)

A high-ranking military official involved in the investigation confirmed the report on Tuesday and also said the aircraft was believed to be flying low.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysian-airlines-mystery-military-says-missing-jet-changed-course/

 

[JerseyGirl]

other missing planes in history:

It was 10 days before the discovery of wreckage from Adam Air Flight 574, which had disappeared in 2007 near the island of Sulawesi in Indonesia. Hundreds of search and rescue personnel led by the Indonesian Air Force found no sign of the plane following initial reports of debris on land, and only after a team of more than 3,600 was mobilized -- including a Boeing surveillance plane and two Fokker-50s from the Republic of Singapore Air Force -- was the first wreckage detected in the sea.

Among the most notorious incidents was a Uruguayan Air Force charter flight carrying 45 people, including a rugby team with friends, that crashed in the Andes mountain range in 1972, killing passengers on impact and later from cold and an avalanche. It took 72 days before search crews found survivors, who had fed on bodies preserved in the snow.

An earlier accident in the Andes in 1947 produced no wreckage for 50 years. In that case, Flight CS-59 operated by British South American Airlines disappeared into the mountains on its way to Santiago, Chile, from Buenos Aires. An air and ground search by Chilean and Argentine military found no trace of the aircraft, making the incident one of the unsolved mysteries of aviation for the next five decades until climbers discovered debris at the base of an ice field in 1998, leading to the conclusion that the plane had been dragged slowly along under the glacier during the intervening years.

Glaciers in the region have contributed other finds, with a climbing team on Mount Illimani, Bolivia’s second-highest peak, discovering the wreckage of a Boeing 727 in 2006. The Eastern Air Lines plane had crashed soon after takeoff in 1985, killing all 29 people aboard.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...efuddles-world-that-s-permanently-online.html

 

[sherbetjello]

I just got here, so this has probably been covered, but on CNN (Wolf) they just said that the plane had it's transponder off for an hour as it made a u-turn and was completely off course.


I just saw the graphic they had up and they did a -160 and were flying the opposite direction (SE) of Hong Kong!

Could alcohol be a factor?
(I just watched the ACA video with the young Australian girl.)

 

[bexlex]

Ongoing discussion of the missing plane on CNN.

Transponder off for an hour while plane was making a U-turn and continued flying west.

It seems confirmed that the military radar picked up this plane flying over the Malacca Strait. If so, and if the plane crashed from a very low altitude, the chance for survivors greatly increased. If that's the case, I hope it's not too late - for at least one or two folks. (Slim chance, I know.)

Why did they keep this a secret for 4 days? They've know from the start....:banghead:

 

[bexlex]

I just got here, so this has probably been covered, but on CNN (Wolf) they just said that the plane had it's transponder off for an hour as it made a u-turn and was completely off course.


I just saw the graphic they had up and they did a -160 and were flying the opposite direction (SE) of Hong Kong!

Could alcohol be a factor?
(I just watched the ACA video with the young Australian girl.)

I'm watching CNN too. What in the name of Pete??????

 

[JerseyGirl]

Just heard on CNN that they still have not ruled out terrorism.

The head of the US Central Intelligence Agency said on Tuesday that terrorism could not be ruled out in the disappearance of a Malaysian airliner.

CIA Director John Brennan said there had been "some claims of responsibility" over the missing jet that had "not been confirmed or corroborated," and that he could not exclude the possibility of a terror link.

He provided no further details, but his comment was the first reference by a US official to any alleged claim of responsibility over the jet's fate.

When asked if he could rule out a terrorist link, Brennan said: "No, I wouldn't rule it out."

- See more at: http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...ia/article1-1193776.aspx#sthash.ZqK9Cbgs.dpuf

 

[sherbetjello]

CNN now saying that it could be a power failure that caused the transponder to go off. The plane could fly around an hour without power, which is around the time the plane went off radar.

 

[Kimster]

Malaysian Flight 370 was last detected flying over a small island hundreds of miles from the flight's usual route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, according to a senior Malaysian Air Force official. The official declined to be named because he is not authorized to speak to the media.

If the new data is correct, the aircraft was flying in the opposite direction from its scheduled destination and was on the opposite side of the Malay Peninsula from its scheduled route. Previous accounts had the aircraft losing touch with air traffic control near the coast of Vietnam.

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