Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #20

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http://www.veooz.com/news/XGzVQGR/gallery

This pic shows the location of the possible black box signal (red dot) in relation to the search zones.
The photo is attributed to GISTDA, Australian Govt, US NTSB, Malaysian Govt.
Hope it okay to post.

Thanks for this picture.

IMO
The Chinese ship was searching in a different area than the Planned search area for that day BUT it is still within the area of the Arc ping

 

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Strange. Wouldn't other ships with those capabilities have detected it also?

:waitasec:

Yes, but the Chinese ship was not searching with the others on the Planned Search area for that day.

 

[SouthAussie]

The 37.5 kHz signal pulse detected by the Chinese ship’s black box detector ...

This is another first I'm hearing that the Chinese had their own black box detector.

http://www.examiner.com/article/chinese-ship-reports-hearing-pulse-signals-search-area-of-flight-370

bbm

Popsicle posted a CCTVNEWS YouTube link on 29th March about the black box locators on two Chinese ships. They have been looking around out there for a while now.

I wonder if they have been following the southern arc with their boats and locators? Sort of looks that way by the map I posted above.

Originally Posted by popsicle
CCTVNEWS ‏@cctvnews 21m
Equipped with high-precision GPS & black box locators, 2 Chinese ships continue the search for #MH370. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fP43cPIamM … #MH370

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[SouthAussie]

HOLY COW I just about had a heart attack (see this tomnod map, below)

But before you do, too, remember when when someone here was asking why these satellites coudn't have picked up a picture of the plane in fliight? I THINK that is what this is - I think this Tomnod map show a plane that is flying - date on the pic is 4/4.

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/mh370_indian_ocean/map/2702113

If you cannot see this, and if you see it you will know, let me know and i wil ltry to post a screen grab.

Can't see it

 

[Gerontion]

The dude(holding the yellow thingy) appears to have the portable pinger detector while the dude(holding the other part of the pinger detector thingy) sits on the edge of the boat, or so it appears. Now after looking again it seems to be a set up picture. They appear to be looking at this stuff for the first time. jmo idk

The way I see it is the guy sitting on the edge of the boat is sticking the business end of the detector into the water. The guy holding the grey cylindrical thing is looking at the readings picked up by the detector. I think the guy on the right is busy forgetting to set "record". Notice also, the two with helmets on are wearing their headphones upside-down. The guy on the left said, "screw that, I'm gonna wear the headphones the right way and ditch the helmet. Hey, did you hear that! Sounded like a ping........."

The photo is begging for a caption.

 

[squeaky]

I am actually very optimistic about this news and think that we will have confirmation of the wreckage site within 48 hours. Multiple sources (not on CNN) have reported that the Chinese government relayed these findings to both the Malaysian and Australian governments. SkyNews sources even indicated that the Malaysian PM was contacted directly. The very fact that these findings were reported to both governments greatly boosts their credibility. It has also been reported by multiple sources (not on CNN) that both governments were alerted prior to yesterday's PC. It was only shortly after the PC (where the findings were not mentioned) that Chinese state media announced the findings to the world. It is my belief that the Chinese were slightly insulted or upset that the findings were not mentioned at the PC, so they chose to unleash the information themselves.

I realize the Chinese have made some strange decisions in the past regarding the MH370 search, but its hard to question their intent given the country's huge interest and investment in the tragedy. If you think the Chinese are fabricating this most recent report, you certainly must ask yourself why they would do this, especially with the black box battery window supposedly closing very quickly.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Yay China! I really love the fact that this has been such a unified effort. I think ithe search effort it'self has been great for our region.

 

[joerose]

Popsicle posted a CCTVNEWS YouTube link on 29th March about the black box locators on two Chinese ships. They have been looking around out there for a while now.

I wonder if they have been following the southern arc with their boats and locators? Sort of looks that way by the map I posted above.




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I can see it perfectly. Thank you for posting this. I don't know what to think anymore.

 

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HOLY COW I just about had a heart attack (see this tomnod map, below)

But before you do, too, remember when when someone here was asking why these satellites coudn't have picked up a picture of the plane in fliight? I THINK that is what this is - I think this Tomnod map show a plane that is flying - date on the pic is 4/4.

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/mh370_indian_ocean/map/2702113

If you cannot see this, and if you see it you will know, let me know and i wil ltry to post a screen grab.

Nice

But we must remember that MH370 was a Red Eye Flight, it departed in darkness and flew mostly under the cover of darkness with possibly only 2 of sunrise/dawn light

IIRC, WS member GeoKaren posting in a previous thread that Satellites take images during daylight hours, between 10 or 11am and 1pm,..something about needing sunshine.

Hopefully she is reading and can come back to post about it again..or I will try to find that previous post...

UPDATE

POSTS by WS member geoKaren

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Post #154
"Because the data is collected between 10 AM and 1PM only - then it has to be downlinked to a ground station (we're talking terabytes of data here), then transferred to be processed. Think about putting a piece of paper on a ball - it has to be made to fit the earth. Then it has to be mosaicked (stitched together) to create scenes, then color balanced and finally transmitted yet again to agencies for use. Final products can run to exabytes so even transmission of data can be problematic"

Post #160
"Not really, it was dark. the satellite is a passive sensor, not an active one so it only collects data when the sun is high - thus the collection between 10-1PM local time, the data would be useless at 8AM since the sun would be so low in the sky you wouldn't get usable images."

Post #170
"it's doubtful that there was even a earth observation satellite in position to collect images over that area. satellites have a limited area of coverage and it would be highly unlikely that they would routinely collect imagery in such a remote area of the high seas. It's expensive to collect and process. Digital Globe also does 'customer tasking' so you can pay to have images collected over your area of interest. I would expect that the satellites were busy earning their keep elsewhere at the time.

Remember, at the beginning we were all looking much closer to Malaysia too."

 

[squeaky]

Yay China! I really love the fact that this has been such a unified effort. I think ithe search effort it'self has been great for our region.

One of the most lasting memories for me will be image of military planes from China and Japan working together in the search effort. I'm not sure the Western world quite understands the massive significance of this.

 

[MummaP]

HOLY COW I just about had a heart attack (see this tomnod map, below)

But before you do, too, remember when when someone here was asking why these satellites coudn't have picked up a picture of the plane in fliight? I THINK that is what this is - I think this Tomnod map show a plane that is flying - date on the pic is 4/4.

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/mh370_indian_ocean/map/2702113

If you cannot see this, and if you see it you will know, let me know and i wil ltry to post a screen grab.

I asked this question about a week ago, and wondered if it would have been possible for satellites to have taken pictures of all aircrafts in the air at a given time, and track the route taken? I appreciate it would have been a nightmare with lots of traffic, but if possible, may have helped locate it's path?

If this picture is "fo'real" then i think it's possible they could track it!

Well done for finding this & thanks for posting!

 

[Isabelle]

I asked this question about a week ago, and wondered if it would have been possible for satellites to have taken pictures of all aircrafts in the air at a given time, and track the route taken? I appreciate it would have been a nightmare with lots of traffic, but if possible, may have helped locate it's path?

If this picture is "fo'real" then i think it's possible they could track it!

Well done for finding this & thanks for posting!

Only in daylight. No night pics.

 

[SouthAussie]

Can't see it

Oh forget that Fluffy Puppy ... I can see it!! I just didn't know how to work Tomnod properly :doh:

I didn't realise I had to go through the first three pages of blurbs to get to it. :floorlaugh:

Thanks for posting it!

 

[Nymeria]

Can't see it

It is a plane in flight....(saw it before on a different site)-

 

[Fluffy Puppy]

I asked this question about a week ago, and wondered if it would have been possible for satellites to have taken pictures of all aircrafts in the air at a given time, and track the route taken? I appreciate it would have been a nightmare with lots of traffic, but if possible, may have helped locate it's path?

If this picture is "fo'real" then i think it's possible they could track it!

Well done for finding this & thanks for posting!

AH it was you! I remember thinking what a great question.

COMPLETE LUCK that I found this frame in a Tomnod map I was poking around on. If it helps, I have been a member here for 11 years - not known for practical jokes - this is exactly as it appears on Tomnod. I cannot imagine they are messing with these. If I had found this on some other website, maybe I would think it is a hoax.

You know at the least, it gives me a better sense of scale when I am looking at these Tomnod maps.

i am still trying to get a screen grab and post it here but I am not so good at that. Can anyone do that?

 

[Nymeria]

Done Fluffy

 

[Mrs G Norris]

One of the most lasting memories for me will be image of military planes from China and Japan working together in the search effort. I'm not sure the Western world quite understands the massive significance of this.

I agree with you, it has been brilliant to see, and great for future diplomacy in the region .. remember when Rudd said that Abbott would never be able to forge diplomatic ties in Asia? Wrong again!

 

[Fluffy Puppy]

Only in daylight. No night pics.

Well, put on a tin-foil hat before you read this (I promise I will not get weird) but by the time the plane ran out of fuel, wasn't it daylight?

 

[MummaP]

AH it was you! I remember thinking what a great question.

COMPLETE LUCK that I found this frame in a Tomnod map I was poking around on. If it helps, I have been a member here for 11 years - not known for practical jokes - this is exactly as it appears on Tomnod. I cannot imagine they are messing with these. If I had found this on some other website, maybe I would think it is a hoax.

You know at the least, it gives me a better sense of scale when I am looking at these Tomnod maps.

i am still trying to get a screen grab and post it here but I am not so good at that. Can anyone do that?

It's a pretty fab picture, and totally answered my question, but someone else has also posted that it wouldn't be possible to catch night time pictures, so it wouldn't work in this case, but glad to know it's possible!

I've never been able to get my head around tomnod, as i just don't "see" anything substantial in the pictures, but this is fantastic & i agree, it does show "scale" as such!

Thanks so much again for posting!!

 

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Well, put on a tin-foil hat before you read this (I promise I will not get weird) but by the time the plane ran out of fuel, wasn't it daylight?

yes, it was dawn
but geoKaren made a good point regarding satellites

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Post #160
"Not really, it was dark. the satellite is a passive sensor, not an active one so it only collects data when the sun is high - thus the collection between 10-1PM local time, the data would be useless at 8AM since the sun would be so low in the sky you wouldn't get usable images."

AND

Post#170
"it's doubtful that there was even a earth observation satellite in position to collect images over that area. satellites have a limited area of coverage and it would be highly unlikely that they would routinely collect imagery in such a remote area of the high seas. It's expensive to collect and process. Digital Globe also does 'customer tasking' so you can pay to have images collected over your area of interest. I would expect that the satellites were busy earning their keep elsewhere at the time.

Remember, at the beginning we were all looking much closer to Malaysia too."