Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #21

[Archangel7]

Interesting that there is a IFR jet route near where the Ocean Shield is searching. Looks like M641 is part of the Abu Dhabi to Melbourne route.

Odd for 370 to circumvent Indonesia, the regular KL to Perth flight flies over it. Why not cut directly over Indonesia and fly South, same thing as what appears to have happened

 

[PrairieWind]

I think Derryn answered it saying the pilot orders it

Oh ok, I didnt see that before. So if the pilot orders the fuel, he would be in a position to order extra? And the airline wouldn't know until afterwards? I mean, the Captain could have ordered 10 hours worth of fuel instead of 7 and flown whereever he wanted. That doesnt appear to be the case here, but it could have been.

 

[trigger]

Funny you mentioned about a movie possibility.
I just saw an article discussing the possibility of a movie.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywood-exploring-a-malaysia-airlines-690823

Discovery Channel is producing a documentary on this crash.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/discovery-networks-international-orders-special-692946

I happened to find those articles when I was searching for James Cameron and his challenger going deep into the sea in the search for the Titantic. I was thinking maybe they could use his sub to find this plane. He did complete an exploration around Guam last year.

http://deepseachallenge.com/

Apparently, there are others also interested in searching the unknown parts of our world. From an article two years ago in March so time's up!

Cameron won't be alone in trying to follow Walsh. But the next up is likely to be Branson. His company last year bragged that it's been to all seven continents and is going into space, so a $17 million sub venture is the next logical step. Google founder Schmidt is helping fund a $40 million effort by California-based DOER Marine to work on a more science-oriented human deep sea sub that is at least two years away. Also said to be in the hunt is Triton Submarines in Florida, a firm with no celebrity connection.

http://www.manufacturing.net/news/2012/03/james-cameron-others-to-explore-pacifics-abyss

On my Smithsonian channel just had a one hour documentary about this missing pllane, called Malaysia 370:The plane that vanished. I haven"t watched it yet.

 

[Intermezzo]

Thanks
MH370 turned Westward but instead of continuing in that direction and flying over Indonesia then heading south..MH370 turned West, then went north-west around Indonesia before heading South....
I can see why some believe it was avoiding Indonesian radar...

So was the plane following Waypoints or not? or were the waypoints a guide to establish a map?

Interesting that there is a IFR jet route near where the Ocean Shield is searching. Looks like M641 is part of the Abu Dhabi to Melbourne route.

Odd for 370 to circumvent Indonesia, the regular KL to Perth flight flies over it. Why not cut directly over Indonesia and fly South, same thing as what appears to have happened

I agree.
I find it curious that MH370 went around Indonesia and then flew south instead of flying south after the first turn and fly over Indonesia..the route it flew would take longer, correct?

 

[21merc7]

Interesting that there is a IFR jet route near where the Ocean Shield is searching. Looks like M641 is part of the Abu Dhabi to Melbourne route.

Odd for 370 to circumvent Indonesia, the regular KL to Perth flight flies over it. Why not cut directly over Indonesia and fly South, same thing as what appears to have happened

There is no choice. There were passengers from many countries. U.S. tried to play diplomat, but not enough passengers and bigger world issues. Australia kindly took the role, and I am happy to hear it. (I hope those that live there feel the same, being the territory, but it makes sense - for the moment. Personally exhausted from politics, couldn't be in the field. One world is the dream, but that is the stuff dreams are made of................) Hope that helps. :sigh:

 

[ilovepierre]

Yes, IMO, they should be held liable since it took them so long to report MH370 has dissapeared.

That is negligent.

And it was also their airline.
It's only fair that they should foot the bill.

 

[MummaP]

At this point will anyone else be surprised if the Malaysian authorities turn around and announce that they were wrong and the plane never actually left the airport that night, and the passengers have been holed up in an Airport Hilton? Sweet mother of God, this is frustrating.

My husband has been of this opinion since day 2...

The longer the search goes on, the more frustrated i feel, so i just can't imagine how the families feel. Something about the pings being heard just doesn't sit right with me... I can't explain it. It's great news if it is the black box / FDR but i don't know. I don't think it is... Its a gut thing. My own opinion.

I have thoughts about the area, why it was chosen as the end of the flight, i also believe someone knows something that they're not letting on about, and when it's discovered will create a huge diplomatic incident, with all the countries putting their troops lives on the line, and spending heaps of money and resources on the search, and that worries me more than anything.

Still think the northern side of the search has been majorly down played.

Maybe i need to adjust my tin foil hat... Give me 2 mins...

 

[ElleElle]

"There are many things that a pilot must do before he or she flies a plane. They must check out weather conditions on the flight path and around the landing area. They also have to check flight plans, fill in forms and do a lot of paperwork. Before takeoff pilots brief their crew and do a complete check of the airplane to see if everything works the way it should. Pilots must calculate how much fuel they have to take with them."

http://www.english-online.at/travel/airline-pilot/commercial-airline-pilot.htm

And basic info-

Flight planning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, the pilots calculate the fuel needed for a flight?

I remember seeing an air crash on Mayday when the calculation failed due to mixing up standard and metric.

 

[Amee]

April 9, 2014 - 5:56AM

Missing Malaysia Airline jet ocean debris would depend on angle, speed: experts

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing...eed-experts-20140409-zqsg6.html#ixzz2yKxLdPiU

 

[21merc7]

So, the pilots calculate the fuel needed for a flight?

I remember seeing an air crash on Mayday when the calculation failed due to mixing up standard and metric.

And/or replaced part not correct and measure incorrectly for the particular plane.

 

[ElleElle]

Interesting that there is a IFR jet route near where the Ocean Shield is searching. Looks like M641 is part of the Abu Dhabi to Melbourne route.

Odd for 370 to circumvent Indonesia, the regular KL to Perth flight flies over it. Why not cut directly over Indonesia and fly South, same thing as what appears to have happened

BBM ~ What is that? Why do you think MH370 did not cut directly over Indonesia? Avoiding military radar detection?

 

[Hatfield]

My husband has been of this opinion since day 2...

The longer the search goes on, the more frustrated i feel, so i just can't imagine how the families feel. Something about the pings being heard just doesn't sit right with me... I can't explain it. It's great news if it is the black box / FDR but i don't know. I don't think it is... Its a gut thing. My own opinion.

I have thoughts about the area, why it was chosen as the end of the flight, i also believe someone knows something that they're not letting on about, and when it's discovered will create a huge diplomatic incident, with all the countries putting their troops lives on the line, and spending heaps of money and resources on the search, and that worries me more than anything.

Still think the northern side of the search has been majorly down played.

Maybe i need to adjust my tin foil hat... Give me 2 mins...

I agree.

The way they had so much trouble at first just trying to figure out what the plane did after taking off has made me skeptical about any of the alleged flight paths. They changed their minds so many times I have doubts that any of them are right.

Im kind of leaning towards either a crash on land somewhere or a successful landing somewhere. Mainly think this because of no debri showing up anywhere in the ocean so far.

 

[ElleElle]

And/or replaced part not correct and measure incorrectly for the particular plane.

That's right!

Gimli Glider - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Talk about a great pilot to land that bird.

 

[Archangel7]

There is no choice. There were passengers from many countries. U.S. tried to play diplomat, but not enough passengers and bigger world issues. Australia kindly took the role, and I am happy to hear it. (I hope those that live there feel the same, being the territory, but it makes sense - for the moment. Personally exhausted from politics, couldn't be in the field. One world is the dream, but that is the stuff dreams are made of................) Hope that helps. :sigh:

Ok, I'm lost. What has your post to do with my post about an IFR jetway #M641 near where Ocean Shield is and the circumnavigating of Indonesia?

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, that's why I was thinking what would a diver do? Maybe he equipped with sonar radar detection? And since a diver can go deeper than surface, they can get closer to the black box.

The divers are looking for debris in the area of the acoustic sounds. They're not looking for the black boxes. All other vessels in the area have to be quiet while the search for the sounds is going on.

Makes sense to put divers in the water to swim around a bit and see if they can see some soggy seat cushions or other debris floating and slowly sinking in that area.

Some good pics of the divers at this link.

Even without the presence of the signals, which officials have described as consistent with pings transmitted by aircraft black boxes, divers and ships continued to search the southern Indian Ocean for any sign of debris from Flight MH370 on Tuesday.

http://www.ibtimes.com/malaysia-air...s-while-passenger-crewmember-families-1568951

 

[Amee]

todays search
Joint Agency Coordination Centre

Media Release
9 April 2014—am

Up to 11 military aircraft, four civil aircraft and 14 ships will assist in today's search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Today AMSA has planned a search area of about 75,423 square kilometres.

The centre of the search area is approximately 2261 kilometres north west of Perth.

A weak front is moving in from the south east, expected to bring scattered showers.

The underwater search continues today, with ADV Ocean Shield at the northern end of the defined search area, and Chinese ship Haixun 01 and HMS Echo at the southern end.

http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/index.aspx

 

[Archangel7]

BBM ~ What is that? Why do you think MH370 did not cut directly over Indonesia? Avoiding military radar detection?

We are required to fly designated "highways" in the sky to and from airports, navigation aids, etc. There happens to be one of those on IFR charts, M641, which is part of a standard flight plan between Abu Dhabi and Melbourne.
It appears the Ocean Shield is "towing" there.

Flight 370 wouldn't have been really avoiding radar unless it was "off" all that time. I believe the most a FMS will bank a plane is 30 deg. with most turns 7 deg. Possibly the passengers were neutralized so pilot could do 30 deg(passengers would definitely notice)bank or he turned not to arouse attention from passengers or ground at 7 deg.

 

[Fluffy Puppy]

I agree.
I find it curious that MH370 went around Indonesia and then flew south instead of flying south after the first turn and fly over Indonesia..the route it flew would take longer, correct?

I think I am the only one left on the planet who thinks they might have that entire western route wrong - look at the longitude where they are searching, I wonder if that plane just flat out turned around 180 degrees and sailed straight down to its final resting place. After all, they have no ID on the plane that went over the Straits of Malacca.

Out there, I know.

 

[ilovepierre]

Now what? I think I've ceased saying, "I think it's them this time." Is hope fading among the faithful?

My hope isn't fading
In fact, I'm confident that the pings are from the black boxes and that they (or the plane) will be recovered soon.

lease:

 

[JerseyGirl]

The Chinese are doing their own thing:

Chinese naval vessels on Tuesday expanded the search area in the Indian Ocean to pick up suspicious pulse signals detected over the weekend.

On Monday night, the Chinese navy's transport dock Kunlunshan and missile destroyer Haikou steered to another newly-designated area more than 900 nautical miles off Australia's western coast, an area of 11,700 square nautical miles located at about 19 to 22 degrees south and 94 to 97 degrees east.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-04/08/c_126368505.htm

The Jinggangshan, Haixun 01, and Donghaijiu 101 are still searching 25 degrees south latitude and 101 degrees east longitude, where Haixun 01 detected a pulse signal on Friday.