Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #21

[SouthAussie]

My dog is old....she deserves little human treats ..............provided her with a yummy dash of baked beans..........................

never thought about the consequences!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOW!!

Lesson learned: Never again!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Peeeeeew!!!!! Open the windows!

 

[Amee]

US marine scientist David Mearns was involved in the search for the Air France flight that went missing in 2009 and has located more than 20 shipwrecks, including leading the teams that found the HMAS Sydney off the WA coast and the Australian hospital ship Centaur off the east coast.

They have an audio display and visual displays and they also record the sounds so they can play them back for other experts and maybe do some additional signal processing and analysis of it," he said.

"What they have detected the other day really sounds very, very positive.

"They're being cautious for the right reasons but you just don't hear those sorts of noises that they did over the periods that they did unless you're detecting something.

"It's not bang on 37.5 degrees but that's not really the most important thing."

The underwater locator beacon emits a signal with a frequency of 37.5 kilohertz.

"It's still very challenging, it's still very complex. It may not be resolved in a day or two or even weeks, but I'm feeling far more positive about it than I was even on last Friday," Mr Mearns said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-...airlines-locator-beacon-still-running/5376592

 

[CARIIS]

Anderson - the head guy did he just sound angry to u

 

[gregjrichards]

WARNING ALERT - Australian press conference at 11am Perth Australia time, 11pm New York Time, 4 am UK time. Press conference is 1 hour and 53 minutes from now.

Clayton Sandell ‏@Clayton_Sandell @ABC News correspondent Main stream media tweet51s

Australian officials have just announced a #MH370 press conference @ 11PM ET. We don't know yet if routine or significant. Stay tuned.

 

[Isabelle]

I think there are some missing pieces of info that we do not know.

I have noticed that no-one has ever said whether or not Australia had sighted MH370 (or an unidentified plane that corresponded with Inmarsat's ping data) on our radar. It sounds to me like we are just not going to be told that particular missing piece of info.

If Australia did pick something up on their radar I think it would help the families to know that. Not having the information could mean the plane was out of range and it would be ok to report this, otherwise it makes me think that maybe the radars weren't on 24/7.

 

[CARIIS]

The revelations, along with the arrests of 13 more suspected terrorists last month in Malaysia, shift the focus of concern in the region to these two comparatively developed nations with significant Muslim populations. Evidence released by both governments in the last week suggests significant cooperation among radical groups in the region as well as active links with Muslim terrorist groups elsewhere.

WASHINGTON — With malicious intent strongly suspected in the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, American intelligence and law enforcement agencies renewed their search over the weekend for any evidence that the plane’s diversion was part of a terrorist plot. But they have found nothing so far, senior officials said, and their efforts have been limited by the Malaysian authorities’ refusal to accept large-scale American assistance.

.........other targets, shown on captured videotape, appeared to include the British High Commission, the Israeli embassy and the Australian High Commission, the government said.

a technician with a government-owned company called Singapore Technologies Aerospace, was reported to have taken more than 50 pictures of the air base and aircraft and recorded information on its facilities and personnel movement. ………….said material linked to Al Qaeda had been found in their homes and offices, along with fake passports and forged immigration stamps.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/19/w...iority=true&module=RegiWall-Regi&action=click

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/11/international/11CND-SING.html

 

[CARIIS]

Move??

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Peeeeeew!!!!! Open the windows!

 

[Steely Dan]

I'm starting to think they may find the plane intact at the bottom of the ocean. JMO

 

[Hatfield]

If Australia did pick something up on their radar I think it would help the families to know that. Not having the information could mean the plane was out of range and it would be ok to report this, otherwise it makes me think that maybe the radars weren't on 24/7.

We were talking about that the other day why Perth itself did not notice something by its radar that it must have as well at their base. I would think most shorelines have even weather radar that should have picked up something on their weather radar maps.

Military bases always have good weather radar. Surely Perth has this I would think. They should have been able to look at their data from that certain date unless they only keep it back so far.

It does seem very strange to me that nobody on the major news networks has ever brought up this question about whether Austrailia should have spotted that plane if it was nearby to them.

 

[SouthAussie]

If Australia did pick something up on their radar I think it would help the families to know that. Not having the information could mean the plane was out of range and it would be ok to report this, otherwise it makes me think that maybe the radars weren't on 24/7.

My guess is that we are defending our military sources, by not saying.

I believe our radar are on, and manned, 24/7. We very closely monitor the oceans between Indonesia/Asian nations and Australia at all times, primarily due to the high amount of boat people that are being shipped our way on a daily basis.

RAAF planes also fly over that particular ocean constantly, on the lookout for the boat people trade, and they need to be monitored by military radar. It is a BIG and contentious issue here in Australia.

There is also a RAAF base in northern Western Australia, as well as one near Perth, and one in Darwin - Northern Territory - that would have active radar watching their planes.

 

[SouthAussie]

We were talking about that the other day why Perth itself did not notice something by its radar that it must have as well at their base. I would think most shorelines have even weather radar that should have picked up something on their weather radar maps.

Military bases always have good weather radar. Surely Perth has this I would think. They should have been able to look at their data from that certain date unless they only keep it back so far.

It does seem very strange to me that nobody on the major news networks has ever brought up this question about whether Austrailia should have spotted that plane if it was nearby to them.

Sometimes our media is told not to report, or ask, about military and/or sensitive information. They comply.

 

[Hatfield]

If Australia did pick something up on their radar I think it would help the families to know that. Not having the information could mean the plane was out of range and it would be ok to report this, otherwise it makes me think that maybe the radars weren't on 24/7.

Found that they do have good weather radar capabilities in Serpentine which goes out pretty far over 512 KM or more. Surely they have asked themselves by now what kind of pictures they had on that day the plane should have made its pass near Perth.

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR701.loop.shtml#skip

 

[CARIIS]

and see I think we all , worldwide get the secrecy but how can they endlessly tell us we all cooperating with one another and it has impacted doing anything real

...and in some way every country really kinda needs to quit their s##t...a plane could be heading anyones way not on a M& M drop l

like in the interest of world safety?

OR -- a lot of folks know and think they have it under control or whatever...if my beliefs are correct someone somewhere is in for a whole bunch of anguish at some time in the future

but if high ups know they have a lot of guilt on thier hands if they cant prevent if it is terrorsim!!

That is like a moral thing but money talks and this tech stuff has to be worth a lot to someone

and this is not like a USA is great (so many problems) BUT it is just abnormal (we tend to have big mouths and feel like we have thr right to tell everyone what to do) that there has not been one word on ANY of this from Washington, London, Paris,

hello -- kind of a big event going on here not even the standard we want to express our thinking about the 239 folks total silence

that is just creepy to me and telling and bothersome and ODD

My guess is that we are defending our military sources, by not saying.

I believe our radar are on, and manned, 24/7. We very closely monitor the oceans between Indonesia/Asian nations and Australia at all times, primarily due to the high amount of boat people that are being shipped our way on a daily basis.

RAAF planes also fly over that particular ocean constantly, on the lookout for the boat people trade, and they need to be monitored by military radar. It is a BIG and contentious issue here in Australia.

There is also a RAAF base in northern Western Australia, as well as one near Perth, and one in Darwin - Northern Territory - that would have active radar watching their planes.

 

[Hatfield]

Sometimes our media is told not to report, or ask, about military and/or sensitive information. They comply.

I agree.

It would just be nice if they could confirm if they spotted a "blip" that could have been the plane on that day. It would help everyone feel more comfortable they are in the right area.

I suppose the only people they need to share that with are the search team and the public are not as critical. Although the public can surely affect lots of things like votes for government leadership people and other important things.

Its just real suspicious the subject was never brought up. So much about other radar near the takeoff spot and nothing about radar near the supposed landing site. Its real interesting.

 

[1&2&3]

Why do they not send something down to the area that the "ping" was supposedly heard and continue to search other areas? Would the noise from the ships searching disturb the thing that is sent down to check the ping out?

This gets crazier by the day! They have a suspicious ping, they are going to wait to check it out, check more areas, blab, blab, blab! The news conference tonight is to say they concluded the pings that were heard were not from the black box! JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

All I can say is that they are doing what they feel is best for our country, as well as quite determinedly saying that the southern Indian Ocean is the spot.

I guess we are accustomed to our military terminology and way of speaking, and understand that means that they 'know' the plane headed our way. They have some 'evidence' of it.

We are not a country that reveals all. We are too closely and completely surrounded by non-allied Asian countries to do that.

I'm sure that the US govt will know whatever we 'know' however, as will the UK govt.

As I've stated before, there is a reason why we put such a very high (the highest) ranking retired military leader in charge of this search operation.

 

[time]

The revelations, along with the arrests of 13 more suspected terrorists last month in Malaysia, shift the focus of concern in the region to these two comparatively developed nations with significant Muslim populations. Evidence released by both governments in the last week suggests significant cooperation among radical groups in the region as well as active links with Muslim terrorist groups elsewhere.

WASHINGTON — With malicious intent strongly suspected in the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, American intelligence and law enforcement agencies renewed their search over the weekend for any evidence that the plane’s diversion was part of a terrorist plot. But they have found nothing so far, senior officials said, and their efforts have been limited by the Malaysian authorities’ refusal to accept large-scale American assistance.<snip for brevity>

Thanks... I lived and worked there in the late 90's so I've been following their political scene somewhat. I think Malaysia sincerely needs a wake up call in more than one way.

 

[cluciano63]

Wait, didn't someone say early this AM (4am post Us/EST I think) that they had confirmed the pings were identical sequence to MA370? Or did I doze, wake up and imagine this??

 

[LambChop]

All I can say is that they are doing what they feel is best for our country, as well as quite determinedly saying that the southern Indian Ocean is the spot.

I guess we are accustomed to our military terminology and way of speaking, and understand that means that they 'know' the plane headed our way. They have some 'evidence' of it.

We are not a country that reveals all. We are too closely and completely surrounded by non-allied Asian countries to do that.

I'm sure that the US govt will know whatever we 'know' however, as will the UK govt.

Australia is by no means obligated to reveal what they know or how they know it. Obviously they know something because of where they are looking. They are releasing what they feel we have a need to know. That is it, same as in most countries that have security at their borders. What is important is finding the plane and maybe revealing why the plane ended up where it did. Let's hope they found the haystack. jmo

 

[CARIIS]

....written by pilot and noted author Mark L. Berry. airline pilot with more than 25 years of seniority; and I also write for Airways magazine

.................so where does this leave us? In a heap of danger, that&#8217;s where. Until we actually KNOW what happened to MH370, we need to BE PREPARED for what can happen next.

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But MH370 wasn&#8217;t flown into a building or a city center, and it certainly could have been. They could have flown it along the original flight plan and then crashed it into Beijing. They could have turned around&#8212;everyone would have assumed it had an emergency and was returning&#8212;and then crashed it into Kuala Lumpur. The hijackers had free rein of the sky, and even subtle traces of them&#8212;revealed by ACARS data bursts&#8212;took days to figure out, so they could have crashed that 777 anywhere within about a seven hour range based on that day&#8217;s fuel load. But they didn&#8217;t.

So WHERE they went is now slightly less important than WHY.

And we need to ask ourselves what is our tolerance to shoot down MH370 upon discovery of it back in flight?

it seems to me that a terrorist group willing to launch a weapon of mass destruction upon a nation (and WHICH nation should be a discussion of its own in order to best defend it) isn&#8217;t going to save the passengers that were originally onboard the terrorists&#8217; new delivery vehicle.

So where does this leave us? In a heap of danger, that&#8217;s where. Until we actually KNOW what happened to MH370, we need to BE PREPARED for what can happen next.
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Maybe I&#8217;m wrong, but if I am right, can we afford to wait and see? At the bare minimum, we should be on high alert until that aircraft is found&#8212;either intact, or in pieces as a result of a tragedy other than this hijacking scenario

There as a Boeing 777 at large, and very possibly it is in flyable condition and in the hands of terrorists&#8230;&#8230;..


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