Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #24

[Momoffourboys]

This is what I have read about the cell phone connectivity for MH370:
- this particular plane was not equipped with the satellite feature to connect cell phones
- there are no cell towers in the ocean to transmit signals there
- no cell towers reach up to the 25,000 to 35,000 feet of the normal flight pattern
(over land they could connect only if the plane was below 5,000 feet)

At least one phone connected.

Investigators reveal MH370 co-pilot tried to make a call from his mobile phone after the aircraft 'vanished' but 'was abruptly cut off' as U.S. deny reports the plane landed at their remote military base
Investigators say call was made from Fariq Abdul Hamid's mobile phone
It was flying low enough for a sub-station in Penang to pick up signal
Details of who Fariq was trying to call have not been disclosed
It possible for a mobile phone to be connected at an altitude of 7,000 feet
U.S. denies reports plane landed at base on remote island of Diego Garcia


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ormal-communication-ground.html#ixzz32D1J3oO1
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[SouthAussie]

try this link

James Lybrand, Australian naval commander, said two of those four pings were "too weak to have been from a man-made device."

Normally, the frequency should measure 37.5 kHz. Signals from April 5 were still considered potential leads from missing plane. This was considered a possibility due to the "weakening batteries or vagaries of deep-sea conditions."

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5524...alaysia-airlines-plane-pings.htm#.U3qWbXZVW40

The Wall Street Journal article that was quoted says the same ...

"But authorities are increasingly considering only the two transmissions on April 5 as relevant to the search, Australian naval Cmdr. James Lybrand, captain of the Ocean Shield search vessel, said in an interview late last week."

http://online.wsj.com/articles/doub...ught-to-be-from-flight-370-1399877982?tesla=y

 

[Amee]

Malaysia allowed MH370 to vanish: report

Missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 could only have lost its transponder and other communications through human interference and its captain was best placed to do that.

Read more at http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national...ly-in-plane-disappearance#p0eUvXFyzxrfdcLI.99

 

[2rose]

Malaysia allowed MH370 to vanish: report

Missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 could only have lost its transponder and other communications through human interference and its captain was best placed to do that.

Read more at http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national...ly-in-plane-disappearance#p0eUvXFyzxrfdcLI.99

I understand why they are saying that & I am not disputing it.

However, if it IS true, then the logical inference is that in January & March of this year, the Indian Air Traffic Controllers
made 2 planes return to their Indian departure airport because THOSE PILOTS had interferred with their transponders also.
This just doesn't make sense because if they HAD interferred with the transponders,
then why would the pilots obey return instructions ?

These analysts seem to have omitted including an option for spontaneous transponder failure
... whether due to a manufacturing flaw or otherwise..

 

[ElleElle]

Something could have overheated on board/in the cargo hold.
I've seen news reports where people's laptops have overheated and caused house fires.
Scary stuff.

Right, I guess the flight crew could have been trying to put out the fire and powering down all electronics, and then trying to manually flying it.

I just find it odd they did not try to head back to KL.

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[ilovepierre]

Right, I guess the flight crew could have been trying to put out the fire and powering down all electronics, and then trying to manually flying it.

I just find it odd they did not try to head back to KL.

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Yes, it's odd they didn't head back to KL.
But who knows. Maybe they tried...and for whatever reason, they couldn't?

 

[2rose]

ABC Four Corners video is up for anyone who hasn't seen it...

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2014/05/15/4005244.htm

I think I non-Australian residents can see this video at ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OfRhSjXNm8

 

[2rose]

On Tuesday, Inmarsat announced that they will release the satellite data
for the 7 handshakes (but they did not say when) ...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/malaysia-inmarsat-release-satellite-data-mh370-064630802.html#6hGQ4lk

 

[2rose]

At least one phone connected <snip> It possible for a mobile phone to be connected at an altitude of 7,000 feet

7,000 feet is pushing the extreme working range & that is what happened with that phone call.
It made a very brief connection, but then the call could not be completed because it was too far away.
If the plane had been lower at 5,000 feet, then the phone call would have been completed normally without problems.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Malaysia to Release Satellite Data on Missing Jet MH370

Malaysia has bowed to pressure from the from the families of passengers on missing flight MH370 and will publicly release the Inmarsat satellite data used to narrow down the search area.

Some relatives of the 239 passengers on the missing jet plane have demanded raw data from the U.K. satellite firm be released for independent analysis amid questions about how the investigation has been conducted...

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...ease-satellite-data-missing-jet-mh370-n109641

 

[marlywings]

Welcome to the world little Muhammad...

Intan Maizura Othman, wife of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 steward, has baby

May 20, 2014


WRAPPED in a blanket and only a few hours old, tiny Muhammad has no idea he will never meet his father or of the joy his birth has brought to so many people in his homeland and across the world.

The baby, born in Kuala Lumpur, was delivered 73 days after his airline steward father, Muhammad Hazrin, and 238 other souls disappeared on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370.

Intan Maizura Othman, a fellow Malaysia Airlines flight attendant, gave birth without her beloved husband by her side on Monday night. But images of the tiny boy, swathed in a blanket and a teddy in his cradle, have brought a rare moment of joy for so many still mourning the loss of loved ones on board the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...steward-has-baby/story-fnizu68q-1226924283597

 

[marlywings]

On that same link...

&#8220;In moving forward, it is imperative for us to provide helpful information to the next of kin and general public &#8212; which will include the data communication logs as well as relevant explanation to enable the reader to understand the data provided. It must also be noted that the data communication logs is just one of the many elements of the investigation information,&#8221; the two bodies said in a statement.

&#8220;In line with our commitment towards greater transparency, all parties are working for the release of the data communication logs and the technical description of the analysis for public consumption.&#8221;

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...steward-has-baby/story-fnizu68q-1226924283597

 

[LambChop]

This is what I have read about the cell phone connectivity for MH370:
- this particular plane was not equipped with the satellite feature to connect cell phones
- there are no cell towers in the ocean to transmit signals there
- no cell towers reach up to the 25,000 to 35,000 feet of the normal flight pattern
(over land they could connect only if the plane was below 5,000 feet)

The co-pilot's phone did make a connection to a tower so it was possible for them to connect and call in that they needed to make an emergency landing. Instead the plane flew around Indonesia and out to sea. Even if the transponder was not working and their communications had shut down they still could have made that call because there was a connection that was either intentional, or not. There are many things this plane could have done in an emergency situation and did not do. So we are left with the mystery of what happened to this flight that appears more to be intentional than accidental. jmo

 

[Momoffourboys]

The co-pilot's phone did make a connection to a tower so it was possible for them to connect and call in that they needed to make an emergency landing. Instead the plane flew around Indonesia and out to sea. Even if the transponder was not working and their communications had shut down they still could have made that call because there was a connection that was either intentional, or not. There are many things this plane could have done in an emergency situation and did not do. So we are left with the mystery of what happened to this flight that appears more to be intentional than accidental. jmo

Agreed! It does not, just, appear to be intentional. It has been stated numerous times that it was, in fact, a deliberate act. No fire, no malfunction. Deliberate.

"Diversion of MH370 airliner was a 'deliberate act', says Malaysian PM
Search for MH370 will be extended to cover central Asia and southern Indian ocean after Malaysian prime minister says diversion of missing airliner was a ‘deliberate act’"


http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lines-plane-extended-to-southern-indian-ocean

 

[CARIIS]

"MAL is “working" on releasing sat data. Come on guys "working" on means altering. They did this with the ATC tapes (edited). They lied cargo manifest. They lied last words. Those mindsets don’t change.

Think about it - you have this "data" set and you want to release it . Well in this day and age you click send. Takes two seconds.

You get an X Ray - 2 months later does anyone need to "work" on it for a second opinion or peer review.

Have you ever heard of law enforcement “working” to release 9-11 calls?

It is info, if it is not being manipulated it is just “there”.

I never had to “work” on a client’ chart before I handed it to a colleague -- anyone who did was doing something the chart.

I have NEVER heard of the NTSB "working" on "releasing" anything. EVER!

When they make the decision to release the ATC control tapes or radar or trhascripts. whatever, they say we are releasing the ATC tapes - guess what happens -- the ATC tapes are all over the internet in the next 9 minutes!!.

What "work" , after two months, does a data set need.

More smoke More mirrors more lies Nonsense

And it will be big deal , then in a week there will be some confusion made and it will all get blurry again. Patterns , patterns we have seen for over two months.

Anyone want to believe that a jumbo jet flying to a huge city, has two things its belly? (5,720 cu ft (162 m3)). That is a money thing!

PS earlier post here on the 5th of May they backed out of the weight of the batteries going back to small ones..........

What is that old adage?. Fool me once………………………….
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Nice piece on the triple seven:
http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_lrback.page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777#Specifications

 

[marlywings]

On last night's Four Corners program, this line by the reporter was interesting...

Only a few people on board MH370 had the skills & knowledge to take over the plane & shut down it's communications systems.

A few is more than two??

 

[2rose]

The co-pilot's phone did make a connection to a tower so it was possible for them to connect and call in that they needed to make an emergency landing.

If you think that the tower was able to successfully complete the call, then please tell us who the co-pilot phoned & why that person didn't relay to any one the information that the plane was in danger ?

I read that the contrary was true. As I mentioned before, the cell tower connection only lasted for a few seconds & because of the extreme range, the tower could not keep the connection long enough to complete the phone call.

What is of interest here is not whether the tower can connect for 2 seconds ... rather it is important that the cell tower connection be of such strength that the person making a phone call is able to successfully connect to another phone & carry on a conversation.

 

[ElleElle]

Yes, it's odd they didn't head back to KL.
But who knows. Maybe they tried...and for whatever reason, they couldn't?

Its possible they thought they were on auto-pilot and heading back to KL, hence the hard left U-turn. Then, just to find out they were way off course and no one came to their rescue, until they ran out of fuel? Which again, I find odd.

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[ElleElle]

"...our research has found that these items can interrupt the normal operation of key cockpit instruments, especially Global Positioning System (GPS) receivers, which are increasingly vital to safe landings. Two different studies by NASA further support the idea that passengers' electronic devices dangerously produce interference in a way that reduces the safety margins for critical avionics systems.

There is no smoking gun to this story: there is no definitive instance of an air accident known to have been caused by a passenger's use of an electronic device. Nonetheless, although it is impossible to say that such use has contributed to air accidents in the past, the data also make it impossible to rule it out completely. More importantly, the data support a conclusion that continued use of portable RF-emitting devices such as cell phones will, in all likelihood, someday cause an accident by interfering with critical cockpit instruments such as GPS receivers. This much is certain: there exists a greater potential for problems than was previously believed."


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_on_aircraft

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[ElleElle]

Agreed! It does not, just, appear to be intentional. It has been stated numerous times that it was, in fact, a deliberate act. No fire, no malfunction. Deliberate.

"Diversion of MH370 airliner was a 'deliberate act', says Malaysian PM
Search for MH370 will be extended to cover central Asia and southern Indian ocean after Malaysian prime minister says diversion of missing airliner was a ‘deliberate act’"


http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lines-plane-extended-to-southern-indian-ocean

Ex Malaysia PM claims the CIA/Boeing are involved in its disappearance.

A couple things bother me, in the order of events within my perspective:

1. Sketchy security at MAS and SE Asia in general.
2. Questionable amount of dangerous goods cargo.
3. Communications disabled, moments after ATC hand-off.
4. No distress call attempt made.
5. Immarsat convincing Australia they can pinpoint where MH370 is, with a theory that has never been tested.

All JMO.


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