Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #24

[ElleElle]

Agree, regarding Capt. Shah and also that the terrorist group is most likely not involved in the disappearance of MH370, as most of the passengers aboard were Chinese. The only connection I could make, however, would be that the airline is controlled by the Malaysian government, and a vast majority of the population of Malaysia is Muslim.

MOO

Yes, so it could have been going back to KL. If there are terrorists; (I'm on the fence about this); what would be their target? Muslims? This is strange, I think the majority of the passengers being Chinese is just
red herring.

My question is: Who at MAS loaded the cargo?

JMO

 

[ElleElle]

http://news.asiaone.com/news/malaysia/missing-mh370-deleted-data-not-fully-recovered

Now FS deleted files not fully recovered. :doh:

 

[Momoffourboys]

http://news.asiaone.com/news/malaysia/missing-mh370-deleted-data-not-fully-recovered

Now FS deleted files not fully recovered. :doh:

And this statement, again...

Police are still looking at the four theories behind the incident - hijack, sabotage, the psychological background of those on board and personal trouble.


Once again, no mention of fire or malfunction. So..that's out.

 

[panthera]

Yes, so it could have been going back to KL. If there are terrorists; (I'm on the fence about this); what would be their target? Muslims? This is strange, I think the majority of the passengers being Chinese is just
red herring.

My question is: Who at MAS loaded the cargo?

JMO

Good questions! Officials do not believe this group of terrorists were responsible for the plane's disappearance. I agree, to the extent that no one has claimed any responsibility, unless it was due to a "failed mission" as it appears the plane crashed. Still believe the cargo had something to do with it, however, and again, it appears whatever the intent, it failed.

MOO

 

[Archangel7]

Was there any verified info. on the F/Scale patent angle? The one where the Freescale patent reverts to the sole survivor J. Rothschild?

On another note, it would seem that the most logical time for a "hijack" would be early in the flight. There would be more fuel, the cockpit work load would be tailing off after takeoff and climb out, radio traffic is minimal, etc.

I'm surprised the forensics on the Flight Sim deletions have taken so long. I wonder if they are being done in Malaysia rather than in Quantico?

 

[SouthAussie]

"The Royal Malaysian Police (PDRM) have no plan to reveal the findings of their investigations on the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 at this moment."

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-c...eveal-findings-of-investigations-now-1.586291

RSBM

Just want to add from the article ... another minor tidbit of info.

"03 May 2014
Khalid said as at yesterday, the police had recorded 311 statements concerning the tragedy, including from the victims' family members."

 

[ilovepierre]

Perhaps they are twisting things or have instructions that are being followed? It could be why they are not saying anything.

RE: the southern arc - Would the plane take this route if auto pilot is engaged?

It would if the plane had been reprogrammed to go that way.

 

[ilovepierre]

Was there any verified info. on the F/Scale patent angle? The one where the Freescale patent reverts to the sole survivor J. Rothschild?

On another note, it would seem that the most logical time for a "hijack" would be early in the flight. There would be more fuel, the cockpit work load would be tailing off after takeoff and climb out, radio traffic is minimal, etc.

I'm surprised the forensics on the Flight Sim deletions have taken so long. I wonder if they are being done in Malaysia rather than in Quantico?

BBM.
It was never verified. According to Snopes.com, that was false.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/malaysiapatent.asp

Conspirators have run rampant in this case, and it's hard to determine what is real and what is coming from conspiracy theorists.

 

[ilovepierre]

The mention of the flight simulator in the pilot's home was home-made...
This indicates the pilot was so dedicated to BUILD his own Flight Simulator, instead of just BUYING one :banghead:

Snipped for space.
I don't find anything wrong with Shah building his own FS.
A couple posters in this thread have built their own simulators. IIRC, their's are lot larger and more expensive than Shah's too.
If building FS's is indicative of someone being a terrorist, then are lots of terrorists out there...

 

[aa9511]

Something kept drawing me back to the arc map included in the prelim report....

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...nd-search-delays/story-fnizu68q-1226902829876

IF it were a pilot/suicide there'd be no need to bring the plane around in such a curved arc, just continue on in a more or less straight line down over the ocean to ditch it.

Looking at airline flight maps of Malaysia Air & Thai Airlines, that curved arc is almost identical to the flight route from Perth to Kuala Lumpur with an estimated flight time of 5hr 40mins. I'll hazard a guess & say,in my opinion, MH370 was hijacked & was heading for Australia but ran out of fuel....so close & yet so far.

http://routesmap.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/malaysia-airlines-routes-map.html

http://www.thaiairways.com.au/thai_our_network.asp

Marlywings, thank you for your informative maps and I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have thought this very same thing ever since they started showing the curved arcs for the ping-sound search locations.

Someone told me that plane fly curved routes while going over water so as to stay as close to possible landing sites as possible. For example, that's why trans-Atlantic flights curve up towards Greenland instead of just going straight across.

The flight path does EXTREMELY resemble what a commercial-flight plan would be. I am not sure, but I think the curved part for this route would be to put the plane close to Christmas Islands?

What I mean to say is, it does seem like whoever did this entered in an existing commercial-plane flight route, at least starting from after the South turn.

I would love if perhaps some commercial-airline pilots might give us insight into exactly how the GPS on these auto-pilot settings actually works. For example, would they set up an already-existing flight route? Or would they just put in coordinates for their end destination - let's say Perth - and the flight path would automatically be a straight-course flight path, just follow straight line from starting point to ending point?

This is all so confusing!!

 

[Amee]

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Further ocean mapping required as underwater search area expands

"For the next stage involving sonar and other autonomous vehicles, potentially at very great depths, we need to have an understanding of the ocean floor to be able to undertake that kind of search effectively and safely," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-05/malaysia-airlines-mh370-deep-sea-search-area-expanded/5430824

 

[SouthAussie]

Mr Truss also said that detailed mapping of the ocean floor would be a key part of the next stage.

"Much of this area has never been mapped and so it will require a significant effort for us to understand the ocean floor in that area," he said.

More meetings would begin on Wednesday where experts would share all the information, including satellite data, collected to date, it was agreed.

The man leading the search, Angus Houston, said they wanted to ensure their assumptions were correct.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27281049

 

[SouthAussie]

The trio of Ministers spoke about a proposed program to welcome families of passengers to Perth in the event the resting place of MH370 is confirmed.

They agreed any visit would take place between two to four weeks after it was confirmed and Australia would provide support and information regarding visas “to ensure their travel ... [is] well taken care of”.

According to the meeting’s communiqué the Western Australian government would organise rituals and services according to the families traditions and all travel arrangements would be organised by Malaysia Airlines.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...a-airlines-plane/story-fni0xqrb-1226905951460

 

[Amee]

Media Release
5 May 2014—pm

Ocean Shield will today return to Fleet Base West to replenish its supplies and conduct routine maintenance and software modifications to Phoenix Autonomous Underwater Vehicle ‘Artemis’ Bluefin-21.

On completion of the short port visit, Ocean Shield will return immediately to the search area where the underwater search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 will continue.

The just-completed deployment began on 31 March with 56 personnel and specialist search equipment including a Towed Pinger Locator and Phoenix Autonomous Underwater Vehicle ‘Artemis’ Bluefin-21.

Although the search to date has not uncovered any evidence of possible aircraft debris during operations, the data collected during the 35 days at sea will assist in narrowing the search area for the final resting place of MH370.

The Australian Government is proud of the combined efforts of the Royal Australian Navy, United States Navy, civilian contractors from Phoenix International, Australian Transport Safety Bureau and the ship's crew.

Also at the request of the Australian Government, the U.S. Navy will continue supporting the MH370 sub-surface search effort with the Bluefin-21 side scan sonar for approximately 4 more weeks.

http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/may/mr043.aspx

 

[marlywings]

That makes sense!
If it was hijacked, the question remains: WHO and WHY?

The only problem I have with the hijack theory is that it's unusual for a plane to be hijacked and no one claim they were responsible.

Maybe no one claimed responsibility because it was a failed hijack.
The intended destination was never reached, therefore no group wants to take responsibility for it.

On the day the plane disappeared I recall reading a report in which it was mentioned that not all terrorist groups do put their hand up to claim responsibility. One of the groups that doesn't was involved in the terrorist activity in China which was not too long at all before the plane disappeared.

I agree ilovepierre, I don't think any group would be putting their hand up in a failed hijack.

Another thing I keep thinking on is the transponder being turned off. All the planes involved in 9/11 had theirs turned off once the terrorists took control.

Looking back to world happenings in the months prior to the plane's disappearance may hold some clues.

IF a terrorist group was not involved then I'd go with it being hijacked by a loner with some mighty big psych problems going on. But then that loner would need to have the experience of flying a plane the size of MH370.

 

[Amee]

MH370 Tripartite Meeting

Joint Agency Coordination Centre

Communiqué
5 May 2014

http://www.jacc.gov.au/communiques/2014/may/com001.aspx

 

[newone]

MH370 Tripartite Meeting

Joint Agency Coordination Centre

Communiqué
5 May 2014

http://www.jacc.gov.au/communiques/2014/may/com001.aspx

26 countries!!!!

when you think about the level of participation that's pretty impressive and clearly this is not all about ''humanitarian'' interests (JMO)

 

[marlywings]

Marlywings, thank you for your informative maps and I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have thought this very same thing ever since they started showing the curved arcs for the ping-sound search locations.

Someone told me that plane fly curved routes while going over water so as to stay as close to possible landing sites as possible. For example, that's why trans-Atlantic flights curve up towards Greenland instead of just going straight across.

The flight path does EXTREMELY resemble what a commercial-flight plan would be. I am not sure, but I think the curved part for this route would be to put the plane close to Christmas Islands?

What I mean to say is, it does seem like whoever did this entered in an existing commercial-plane flight route, at least starting from after the South turn.

I would love if perhaps some commercial-airline pilots might give us insight into exactly how the GPS on these auto-pilot settings actually works. For example, would they set up an already-existing flight route? Or would they just put in coordinates for their end destination - let's say Perth - and the flight path would automatically be a straight-course flight path, just follow straight line from starting point to ending point?

This is all so confusing!!

Maybe you meant Cocos Islands?? as the curve goes along very close to there.

Christmas Island is a long way further north east & nowhere near the arc. If it had gone close to Christmas Island well I'd be thinking something along the lines of hijacking over asylum seeker issues. This is going off topic but for anyone not familiar with that island, up until last year asylum seekers in the 1,000s were arriving by boat from countries such as Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq & taken to Christmas Island to have their refugee status assessed before either being sent home or sent to Australia. That all changed when a new government was elected Sept last year. The numbers of arrivals was dramatically cut when the gov decided to send them to Papua New Guinea or sent back home.

Another map of the arc. I've enlarged it a little for clarity. I wouldn't take too much notice of the inset, as whoever has added that has put Perth half way up the coast of West Australia.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/...eases-part-of-flight-mh370-preliminary-report

 

[Hatfield]

Marlywings, thank you for your informative maps and I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have thought this very same thing ever since they started showing the curved arcs for the ping-sound search locations.

Someone told me that plane fly curved routes while going over water so as to stay as close to possible landing sites as possible. For example, that's why trans-Atlantic flights curve up towards Greenland instead of just going straight across.

The flight path does EXTREMELY resemble what a commercial-flight plan would be. I am not sure, but I think the curved part for this route would be to put the plane close to Christmas Islands?

What I mean to say is, it does seem like whoever did this entered in an existing commercial-plane flight route, at least starting from after the South turn.

I would love if perhaps some commercial-airline pilots might give us insight into exactly how the GPS on these auto-pilot settings actually works. For example, would they set up an already-existing flight route? Or would they just put in coordinates for their end destination - let's say Perth - and the flight path would automatically be a straight-course flight path, just follow straight line from starting point to ending point?

This is all so confusing!!

This is a good question for anybody that knows how Auto-Pilot works?

Like how does Auto-pilot know to fly in an Arc? Or does it even do that?


I always thought Autopilot would go straight line from point A to point B.

How in the world would autopilot know how to do an arc?
That would mean many different points. A to B then B to C then C to D and so on in order to fly in arc.

I dont understand how auto pilot can even do this unless it has multiples waypoints set along the route.

 

[Hatfield]

The only problem I have with the hijack theory is that it's unusual for a plane to be hijacked and no one claim they were responsible.

Unless the hijacker was someone on board the plane like the pilot, copilot or a passenger and they are now dead.

If they did not tell anyone of their plans beforehand then there is no way for anyone to notify anyone at this point.