Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #24

[Hatfield]

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/549105/20140423/mh370-malaysian-airlines.htm#.U6jznye9KSM

MH370: Radar Detected UFO Before Jet Goes Missing; Malaysian Air Force Head Reportedly Confirms Sightings


...it was only a matter of time for them to blame it on UFO's.

The 2 objects spotted on radar were also confirmed by Malaysia in other articles I read. Instead of UFOs, if these objects are related to the plane's disappearance, I suspect they would have been fighter jets that took a shot at the plane thinking it was an enemy aircraft. It could have been a huge mistake made by a country.

It may explain the witness seeing a fireball from an oil rig. It would also explain Malaysia's apparant reluctance to share information at first.

Although that article describes at one point the objects "hovering" over a spot. Unless it was the type of jet that can hover, that part does not make much sense.

 

[2rose]

Malaysia Airlines' Hugh Dunleavy: MH370 Hunt Will Take 'Decades'

Prooving his point ... 70 years later ... divers have just found 1944 plane wreckage in Australian waters ...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-24/plane-wreckage-found-off-broome-cable-beach/5545638

 

[popsicle]

This has a whole forum of its own.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=537

 

[geevee]

I just recently returned from a trip. The pilot announced that for the 1700 mile trip they had 4,000 gallons of jet fuel aboard. It is approximately 2,700 miles from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing so that would be approximately 6,000 gallons they could have had on board, I would imagine.

I have now seen that Malaysia Airlines has confirmed that the fuel load was 49,100kg
& I also noticed that is the figure being used by the outside scientists ...

http://www.duncansteel.com/690-2

http://stream.wsj.com/story/malaysia-airlines-flight-370/SS-2-475558/SS-2-487633/

Mar 21, 2014 Twitter - Jon Ostrower@jonostrower
RT @FlightDKM: Malaysia Airlines confirms fuel load on #MH370 was 49,100kg.
// ~16,120 US gal. 777-200ER: 45,220 gal capacity. 6.7 lb/gal.

BBM

Is it usual to take on almost 3 times as much fuel as it needed for the flight (based on Lambchops post above)?

 

[LambChop]

BBM

Is it usual to take on almost 3 times as much fuel as it needed for the flight (based on Lambchops post above)?

Well, I was on a smaller plane when I think about it and we did not have the amount of cargo because the plane came in, reloaded right away and we were off. So that could be why it required less fuel. If MH370 had all that cargo aboard that might explain the amount of fuel that was required. Plus it is a larger aircraft than the one I was on. jmo

 

[Montjoy]

BBM

Is it usual to take on almost 3 times as much fuel as it needed for the flight (based on Lambchops post above)?

Yes, it's often done, especially when one is flying over water. Ok, the majority of the flights I take are in an unusual area -- the arctic, where there are relatively few landing strips, and frequently the weather is bad. When fuel needs are calculated, there are many considerations: for instance, the weight of cargo (and passengers, especially in smaller flights), the chance that one will face wind, the chance that a plane may need to circle for some time before landing, the chance that a pilot will be unable to land where expected and will need to head to a secondary landing site (which may be the site at which one took off). I would imagine that the further one flies over water or space without landing strips, the greater the need for surplus fuel. And as a side note, most of the safety in fight owes to redundancy: multiple engines, redundant systems, two pilots, etc.

 

[ElleElle]

Prooving his point ... 70 years later ... divers have just found 1944 plane wreckage in Australian waters ...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-24/plane-wreckage-found-off-broome-cable-beach/5545638

Good for them, but I don't think this aircraft "disappeared" under the same circumstances.

JMO

 

[ElleElle]

BBM

Is it usual to take on almost 3 times as much fuel as it needed for the flight (based on Lambchops post above)?

Oh my. So it could have flown at it's max capacity? = 21 hours.

 

[ElleElle]

Well, I was on a smaller plane when I think about it and we did not have the amount of cargo because the plane came in, reloaded right away and we were off. So that could be why it required less fuel. If MH370 had all that cargo aboard that might explain the amount of fuel that was required. Plus it is a larger aircraft than the one I was on. jmo

Also, it could have fuelled up for a round trip KL - Bejing - KL.

 

[2rose]

Is it usual to take on almost 3 times as much fuel as it needed for the flight (based on Lambchops post above)?

Have previously read that for all its flights, Malaysia Airlines follows
the standard aviation policy of the required fuel load plus 2 extra hours.

Just did a quick google search & came up with a reference ...
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/03/09/qa-what-happened-to-flight-mh370/

 

[ilovepierre]

I really DO wish we had a better explanation of the Maldives signting too !

What the authorites seem to have done is simply dismissed the signting as eroneous
Instead I would rather have seen a valid investigation & explanation
as to what the Maldives sighting actually was.

For instance, I wish they had said something like we have gone over the
radar records & have accounted for ALL the planes in the Maldives area
at 6am on 8 March 2014 which include ... etc. etc. etc.

Then they could draw some conclulsion from the data.
For instance, maybe they know of some cargo plane that was experiencing some mechanical problems
... or maybe a new pilot training ... or whatever the investigation turned up.

Transpaency breeds respect

BBM.
I agree as well!
The Maldives sightings just seemed to be glossed over and deemed "not an area of interest."
IMO, it should be looked into!

 

[geevee]

Have previously read that for all its flights, Malaysia Airlines follows
the standard aviation policy of the required fuel load plus 2 extra hours.

Just did a quick google search & came up with a reference ...
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/03/09/qa-what-happened-to-flight-mh370/

Thanks for the link, 2rose, and clearing that up.

 

[geevee]

Oh my. So it could have flown at it's max capacity? = 21 hours.

8 hours, according to link in 2rose's post.

 

[2Hope4]

UFO theory is as good as any other at this point. Huge plane just vanishes, no debris field, no bodies, nothing. Just gone. I didn't think it was possible, but obviously it is. So sad for all the families.


Are the officials still thinking the pilot or copilot had something to do with it? Or have they finally cleared them both?

I realize the vast area they are searching, I truly do get that it's literally oceans. I just can't understand why NOTHING has been found. And those pings that they were certain were from the block box, or whatever....they lost the pings, and still haven't found anything?? I don't know. I've thrown everything including spaghetti up and nothing sticks.

 

[SouthAussie]

The wife of one of the pilots on board the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has reportedly confirmed her husband spoke the final words from the cockpit - not his co-pilot, as the airline has previously suggested.

Geoff Taylor, deputy editor of New Zealand's Waikato Times, said he and Ewan Wilson, his co-author on the book they are writing about the missing jetliner, spoke on the phone with Faizah Khanum, who reportedly said the voice from the -pit delivering the final sign-off was that of her husband.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...e-spoke-final-words-from-cockpit-9559657.html

 

[TracyLynnS]

The captain of that flight may be the officials' main suspect, but we are talking about a government that recently made it illegal for christians to call god 'allah', even when it's used with complete respect and is written in their bibles. They can't make up their minds and have been flipflopping on that law for years. The most recent ruling forbidding the use of the word has been reported by several news sources.

Also, their government officials are all related to each other. The prime ministers and former prime ministers and everyone in major office, such as the acting transport minister who is actually their defense minister, and former transport ministers and all the rest are all fathers, sons, uncles, nephews, brothers, cousins, etc. Their government is made up of all family members assigned to high office, regardless of their ability to do their jobs.

I don't trust their investigations or announcements regarding anything. Especially this situation as the airline is government owned so these guys are going to do and say anything that will place blame as far away from them as possible.

 

[2rose]

Malaysian police investigation names MH370 pilot ‘prime suspect

June 22, 2014 2:54PM AN OFFICIAL police investigation into the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight 370 has identified the captain as the prime suspect —if it is proven human intervention was involved.

Captain Zaharie Shah became the focus of the special investigation in Malaysia after all other passengers were cleared of any suspicion, The Sunday Times reported.

After conducting 170 interviews, investigators noted strange behaviour by the pilot. He had made no future plans - socially or professionally - and his home flight simulator was programmed with a flight path into the depths of the Southern Ocean before landing the plane on an island with a small runway. The drills were deleted from the computer but specialists were able to retrieve the files. There is also speculation his home life was fraught with difficulties, though this has been denied by his family.

When I read some articles about this, I did make note that it might be exagerated jounalism because of the section that I bolded with the "IF". It is hard to say someone is a suspect without conceeding that human intervention "IS" involved. So this time, I can understand Malaysia's response ...

http://english.astroawani.com/news/show/mh370-foreign-media-report-disturbs-investigation-igp-38289

June 23, 2014 MH370: Foreign media report disturbs investigation - IGP

Yesterday, PDRM, in a statement, regretted the news report from The Sunday Times, United Kingdom which claimed that Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was purportedly responsible for the disappearance of the aircraft.

PDRM denied giving the information and regarded its statement as had been distorted.

The action of the foreign media in spreading numerous confusing information on the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines (MAS) MH370 aircraft has triggered speculation and disturbs investigation on the case.

... the investigation on the missing aircraft was handled by the Royal Malaysian Police (PDRM) and only the police had legitimate information to be announced to the public.

"Don't listen to the foreign media ... we are the main investigator in this case and we are the ones who will give the latest updates, so take it from us.

"So many stories and speculation ... don't jump into one story concocted by the foreign media as it will only worsen the situation"

 

[Nova]

The captain of that flight may be the officials' main suspect, but we are talking about a government that recently made it illegal for christians to call god 'allah', even when it's used with complete respect and is written in their bibles. They can't make up their minds and have been flipflopping on that law for years. The most recent ruling forbidding the use of the word has been reported by several news sources....

Oh, good God!

I mean "Oh, good Allah!"

I mean...

 

[LinasK]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/06/22/16/01/mh370-captain-identified-prime-suspect

I hv been blogging about this from day one; and I knew he was looking to land on an island...I had that feeling and I swear that plane landed and will be used against the US at some point and time. I knew the day they released the info about him attending the trial in NY; going out of his way to do so....and also I read his body language as he went thru the metal detector, it said : "i'm not ever going to have to do that again" it was how he slapped his arms to his side like "that's Done". This needs to be labled a terrorist attack.

I've thought this for a long time- that he deliberated hijacked the plane. He had the opportunity and motive. I've always been suspicious of his flight simulator. This is one case where I hate to be right!

 

[Brightbird]

That article is poorly written. I've put brackets around the bolded text. It was in the simulator flights that he landed on an island.

The probe also found that the captain had programmed drills onto a flight simulator in which he practiced flying in the southern Indian Ocean (where the plane was last detected) and landing on an island with a short runway, the Mirror reports.