Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #3

[belimom]

BBM

Thanks for this. This was the guy with the map coordinated that belimom and I posted about yesterday. Glad to know he's "real"--though it seemed pretty real from reading it yesterday. (He posted his passport number and a bunch of stuff that an oil rigger would be more likely to know.)

FYI, here are the two maps/stats I posted last night - with the location from the guy on the oil rig, and the location for the plane if it turned and did go over the Malacca Strait (and I've corrected the time difference...).

Guy on oil rig who wrote letter:

- last speed: 471 knots
- distance between two points: 586.5 km (316.85 nm)
- time at same speed: .67 hours = ~ 40 minutes
- last communication per Malaysian airline on radar: ~1:30am
- est arrival time at that point: ~2:10am

Pulau Perak in Malacca Strait:

- last speed: 471 knots
- distance between two points: 537.9 km (290.44nm)
- time at same speed: .616 hrs = ~ 37 minutes
- last communication per Malaysian Airline on radar: ~ 1:30am
- last seen/not seen/seen/not seen on military radar over Pulau Perak: ~ 2:40am
- lapsed time: ~ 70 minutes

 

[CARIIS]

Yes, but wasn't the plane in transition between Malaysia and Vietnamese airspace? Wasn't there a "blind spot" and then the plane failed to register on the incoming (VN) radar?

I'm not even sure I know what I'm talking about anymore. Nothing is clear. This makes my hair hurt.

I am no "expert" , yet I do see a theme if you will. THe best I can I will try to see if I am addressing the theme correctly.

It feels like non aviation lovers are "combining" commericial aviation and military/defense systems. There are blind spots (millions in commerical on Internationial flights)

The aircraft is at 40000, on auto , going across the Atlantic (or whatever!) with no changes anticpated for 6 hours. They seperate them by 1000 foot intervals odd for one direction Even for the other by the thousand feet.

My hangup is that the military establishment is also pretending to have seen nothing, have nothing to pull no satilite images, NOTHING.

Just think about that lie for a minute! There can not be "holes" in the defense system - NSA knows I just lit a cigg! Ya know I mean .

THen yesterday when the MILITARY reversed its course that IMO is really serious buss - it made so much sense to me (sigh finally) when it first broke that the milt had the turn and rest of flight.
That is the truth IMO

There are sinister things here when the military says oh no we did not mean to imply that within 500 mile range we kinda know what is going on in the airspace of our countr

transition between Malaysia and Vietnamese airspace? It is not like transition in the normative sense of the word , it is departure control saying to the flightcrew we are passing you off to the next group of folks who will direct you. Or maybe a better way to say it is it is not like when the plane is ready to be handed off thier radar return does not go off first folks screen for a peroid of time - its more like a swithcing of responsiblity -- they are yours now the "gooday"- quote is typical - thanx have a good one etc when they all are handed off its like a see ya next time around bye--- does that make sense?r

 

[ilovepierre]

It would be really strange if the plane had continued flying on autopilot until it ran out of fuel and crashed into the sea.

If the plane was on autopilot, it wouldn't have been going in a completely different direction than it was supposed to. Doesn't autopilot mean the plane stays on its intended course? And I would assume that if autopilot was on, the transponders would be on too and the plane would have been picked up on radar and as it got closer to the airport in China, ATC would have made contact to prepare the plane for landing.

I think autopilot was turned off as well as all the communication devices. I'm still going with a hijack/terrorism theory. I don't know where this plane could have possibly been headed after it dropped off radar. Officials have denied reports that the plane was spotted on military radar over the Malacca Strait. Now I don't think that is where the plane headed...then there is the oil rig worker who reported fire near where he was working. From the maps I have seen, it would fit with the where the plane was last spotted on radar. Does anyone know if searchers have gone out to that area to look?

I also feel that the Malaysian government and possibly the airline knows a lot more than they are saying. As CARIIS posted earlier in the thread, ATC recordings are released early into an investigation. Why not in this case?!

 

[Waddles]

Hold on, I'm just catching up -they found a body with a life vest?!

 

[Chilly Willy]

About the raft - if it's not the type and color of rafts used by the airlines, why did the (Oops, butterfingers) MMEA even bother trying to collect if from the fishermen who found it?

 

[Wanting2Help]

Is the location they found the body and life raft anywhere near where they reported the oil slick that they later said came from a boat? TIA

 

[JerseyGirl]

About the raft - if it's not the type and color of rafts used by the airlines, why did the (Oops, butterfingers) MMEA even bother trying to collect if from the fishermen who found it?

http://news.detik.com/read/2014/03/...ang-ditemukan-di-pulau-salahnama-selat-malaka

TRANSLATION:

Fishermen found the bodies of men on the island Salahnama , Coal County , North Sumatra ( North Sumatra ) . Allegedly he's been tossed around a few days at sea . How this looks ?

From the picture obtained by AFP from Coal Police , visible condition was pathetic . His face had not shaped , making it difficult to identify. The body was dark skinned and bald . He was wearing a blue shirt and plaid blanket body bags .

"The body of men , slightly bald head , no sideburns and hairy chest , " said Police Kabaopps Coal , Commissioner Sitompul told AFP on Wednesday ( 03/12/2013 ) .

Police are still investigating this case . He said he could not confirm whether the body was one of the passengers of Malaysia Airlines plane that disappeared in the waters of Malacca on Saturday ( 08/03/2013 ) then .

These findings are the location of the bodies of the groove in the Malacca Strait peraian . Formerly a fisherman found the life raft or safety devices that read ' boarding ' in Port Dickson , Malaysia . It is an island groove with Salahnama .

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earlier this morning:

The Beijing News has reported that a source claiming to be local volunteer assisting in the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has found a dead body wearing a lifejacket in an area of the Malacca Strait. In a single-paragraph report, the website of the Chinese-language newspaper said that it was seeking to establish the reliability of the claim.

The unconfirmed report is said to have come via a new operations center established in Malacca after the search for the flight was expanded to both sides of the Malaysian peninsula in response to reports that the plane may have diverted from its planned course. The report was first passed to the center of operations for search and rescue efforts on Vietnam's Phu Quoc island.

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1103&MainCatID=11&id=20140312000154

bbm

 

[belimom]

They found a body with a life vest in the waters around Salahnama Island (Pulau Salahnama in Indonesian). Did you marked near there?

They also found a raft around Port Dickson, south of KL. Did you mark anything over there?

About the raft - if it's not the type and color of rafts used by the airlines, why did the (Oops, butterfingers) MMEA even bother trying to collect if from the fishermen who found it?

I agree with Chilly Willy. I still think the person(s) in a PFD/life jacket and also the liferaft are unrelated to the flight. I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem to fit with the standard equipment onboard a commercial airline. I think they came from a boat - and I'm sure there are many fishermen and other boats (smuggling also) in that region that could be the origin. JMO

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

That's very similar to what I posted last night (and very interesting, isn't it?) except that this guy has the plane going the other way, toward the Malacca Strait and then up toward the Andaman Sea (based on the military seen/not seen radar and the search efforts):

http://ktemoc.blogspot.com/2014/03/where-is-mh370-or-where-mh370-is.html

Yes, it was an interesting read. His theory at least connected all the dots. (Except wreckage not yet found--but that would be due to our looking in the South China Seas instead of eastward, which is where it'd be if flown on autopilot until running out of fuel and crashing).

Here's the link again for those just coming in:

The Straits Times ‏@STcom 3h
Stanford student's theory on disappearance of #MH370 goes viral
http://bit.ly/Ol2qYi #MalaysiaAirlines pic.twitter.com/7dES9Gcg1l

 

[popsicle]

Who was that on CNN? Anyhow, he said he expects this will end up being something we have never seen before. Hope this isn't a failed balloon boy or something...pilot was a big time tech geek .

 

[CARIIS]

http://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/flight/modern/air-traffic-control.htm

Think volleyball!... Or changing classes!

 

[belimom]

Yes, it was an interesting read. His theory at least connected all the dots. (Except wreckage not yet found--but that would be due to our looking in the South China Seas instead of eastward, which is where it'd be if flown on autopilot until running out of fuel and crashing).

Here's the link again for those just coming in:

The Straits Times ‏@STcom 3h
Stanford student's theory on disappearance of #MH370 goes viral
http://bit.ly/Ol2qYi #MalaysiaAirlines pic.twitter.com/7dES9Gcg1l

I didn't read the link you posted (juggling real life and WS at the same time), but the guy in the article I quoted said something very interesting. He said that whether or not gradual decompression is responsible, that whoever was at the controls was an experienced pilot, who knew that when they changed direction, that the altitude levels to keep and stay within protocol switched from odd to even, which increments of altitude to keep, etc. (like what CARIIS was posting earlier)

 

[ilovepierre]

Hold on, I'm just catching up -they found a body with a life vest?!

Yes, near the Salahnama Islands.
But from my understanding of life vests and airplanes, airplanes don't have life vests (PFD's). Airplanes use the seat cushions as flotation devices. And after so much time passing, I find it hard to believe that a person would still be holding onto the seat cushion. It's not worn like a life jacket. You grip it through the handles on the cushion.

I've flown a lot, and if never known of a plane to have actual life jackets.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

They found a body with a life vest in the waters around Salahnama Island (Pulau Salahnama in Indonesian). Did you marked near there?

They also found a raft around Port Dickson, south of KL. Did you mark anything over there?

I have no idea what chunk of the ocean I was marking. They just supply you with a piece of the map that they are having many other people look at and mark as well. The way it works is, you visually scan and mark one grid section at a time (each one is about 6-8" across and just takes seconds--I did close to 300 yesterday). Anything you see 'different,' you click on a marker pin denoting possible wreckage or oil slick or 'other,' and they take note if 10 or so people mark the same thing. It moves it up the line to be studied.

Here's the link if anyone is interested. Beats banging your head against the wall:

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/20896

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Yes, near the Salahnama Islands.
But from my understanding of life vests and airplanes, airplanes don't have life vests (PFD's). Airplanes use the seat cushions as flotation devices. And after so much time passing, I find it hard to believe that a person would still be holding onto the seat cushion. It's not worn like a life jacket. You grip it through the handles on the cushion.

I've flown a lot, and if never known of a plane to have actual life jackets.

Agree. This sounds more likely to have been a fisherman, or someone in a boat.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Malaysia may have failed to track the missing passenger plane because of human error or an antiquated radar system, according to two Chinese expert

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/artic...ot-have-tracked-missing-plane-due-human-error

 

[belimom]

Yes, near the Salahnama Islands.
But from my understanding of life vests and airplanes, airplanes don't have life vests (PFD's). Airplanes use the seat cushions as flotation devices. And after so much time passing, I find it hard to believe that a person would still be holding onto the seat cushion. It's not worn like a life jacket. You grip it through the handles on the cushion.

I've flown a lot, and if never known of a plane to have actual life jackets.

I agree - it's either the seat cushion or one of those slip-on inflatable vests. But those would not still be holding up days later. Airlines don't carry foam PFDs for passengers (I have no idea what the pilots/crew get).

 

[Victor]

I would say the plane has to have been hijacked. If terrorists had wanted to blow it up they wouldn't have shut off the tracking device (transponder) and secretly flown it anywhere.

One thing's for sure: That plane has landed by now.

It didn't have enough fuel to keep it flying for 5 days straight.

Could terrorists have built a homemade landing strip in the middle of nowhere to hold the passengers hostage?

 

[SilkySifaka]

Wednesday, March 12, 01:00 PM MYT +0800 Malaysia Airlines MH370 Flight Incident - 14th Media Statement

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/dark-site.html

I still don't get why they brought the families to Kuala Lumpur? :waitasec:

a lot of families would want to be closer to the place their loved ones died and also the center of the news

 

[nursebeeme]

I am not by any means saying this could be related to terrorism.. but my son did a paper last spring on terrorism and one of the top leaders called for isolated and random attacks in the world to cause panic and concern and question and to shake up world markets.

I will see if I can find the article.

I do not think this is related at this point but you never know.